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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-04 1:43 PM (#585631)
Subject: Looking for more 56 Dodge D500 engine numbers by date



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Since I got my 56 Custom Royal D500 almost three years ago now (Sept. 16, 2016), I have been collecting info about D500's, including engine numbers. They started building the D500 engines in Nov/Dec 1955 and the first ones went into cars build in late Dec. 1955. (They started at D500-1001 and someone here as -1003). I have heard unsubstantiated rumours of engine numbers as high as D500-12nnn but the highest one that has been more or less substantiated is 8120 which was cast in June 1956. Since it was supposedly a month between block casting and completed installation, I am having trouble believing that there were 4000 more engines made between June and the end of the 56 Dodge model run in Sept/Oct.

Any additional information will be appreciated, especially with some kind of documentation, e.g. IBM card with D500 engine number and vehicle build date.

This is what I have gathered so far:

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arizona mopar gold
Posted 2019-08-05 2:52 AM (#585648 - in reply to #585631)
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I would love to know this info on the 57's too
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-05 12:57 PM (#585664 - in reply to #585648)
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arizona mopar gold - 2019-08-04 11:52 PM
I would love to know this info on the 57's too


Well you do have at least 5 data points to start with - which is a better start than I had.

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-08-05 11:14 PM (#585678 - in reply to #585648)
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arizona mopar gold - 2019-08-05 2:52 AM

I would love to know this info on the 57's too


John, I started a new thread in the decoding section. Check it out and please add your cars to the list as applicable.

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-11 7:30 PM (#585878 - in reply to #585631)
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Got one new data point from Phil W. (Thanks Phil !!). Engine number with casting date (hidden under the intake manifold/valley tray).

D500-1862 Cast on January 26, 1956. Likely installed in a 56 Custom Royal D500 Lancer 2dr hardtop (Phil has bits of that car including the engine but not the cowl body plate).





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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-15 2:18 AM (#586037 - in reply to #585878)
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I got some more 56 Dodge D500 numbers with dates from Bruce F. today. None of them was higher that the D500-8120 that Dave H. has that was cast in early June 1956. The latest 56 Dodge that Bruce F. had in his registry that included Coronets, Royals and Custom Royals, with both poly and hemi engines, was D500-7976 that was in a wagon that was built in Detroit on July 20, 1956.


I also found something today regarding the change over between 56 and 57. There is a story at Allpar about the release of the 57 models in late October 1956. This implies to me that the change over occurred in August or early Sept 1956, i.e. even less time to build enough engines to get to the rumoured D500-12nnn.

REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=63553&...

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-20 2:03 AM (#586265 - in reply to #585878)
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Someone pointed me to an old D500 thread from 2010 today and in that thread there was more info about the Golden Lancer with D500-7518:

dougruffner - 2010-10-26 6:21 PM

A picture of my data plate is attached, the date is 0723. I think that the build date is probably July 23, 1956, because the Golden Lancer color scheme was a spring option (supposedly). Also, I have the Dodge Owner Service Certificate for this car. The info is:

42618XXX - Vehicle Number

D500-7518 - Engine Number

Custom Royal - Model Code

Lancer - Body Type

December 29, 1956 - Delivery Date

Issued by Weatherly Motor Company Ventura, California

From the engine number, the colors, and the delivery date, this was probably one of the last D500's built. It also appears to have sat on the dealer's lot for a long time, unless the certificate was for a used vehicle.




With this body data plate photo:



That 7518 was late in the game but there were more. For example there were at least three later Detroit built D500s:

Coronet Convertible 351 52470 D500-7803 07 19 10 300
HURST/LOOKED AT 350 68162 D500-7961 01 14 11 008
4DR WAGON D500 351 53652 D500-7976 07 20 10 024

(these last three are from Bruce Faulkner's data base)




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56D500boy
Posted 2019-08-21 3:17 PM (#586341 - in reply to #586265)
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Clearing up some stuff on my desk credenza and I refound my "Standard Catalog of 1950s Chrysler" book by Jon Robinson that bought last December. On page 139 of the book, talking about the 1957 Dodges, Jon Robinson stated "The 1957 Dodge lineup was introduced on October 30, 1958(sic) (he meant 1956), the same day that all other Chrysler products debuted that season". (He needed a better typo checker)

So now I know the start of the 1957 run. In regards to the 1956 Dodges, he does say, on page 132, that they were introduced on Oct. 7, 1955. What he doesn't say was the last date that the 1956 models were built. Given the factories typically need a month for the change-overs. The last 56 Dodges might have been built in Sept. 1956, which would further imply that the last D500 engines were cast in August, 1956.

Would be nice to confirm these speculations and/or find more evidence of engine numbers past D500-8120.

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56 Royal 500
Posted 2019-09-11 11:23 AM (#587370 - in reply to #585631)
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Hello Dave! I just stumbled upon your thread. I have the intake and valley pan cover off of my D500.
Here are pictures of the numbers for you.

Engine serial # D500-1003 Stamped in the block to the left
Engine casting # is 1630029-7 and cast on 11-22

Intake casting # is 1634262 and cast on 11-29-55

I may be confused. Are these cast numbers, or part numbers?

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-12 2:05 AM (#587414 - in reply to #587370)
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Thanks Hunter I do have your D500-1003 engine in the data base already and figured it was an early (one of the very earliest for sure). If I remember correctly your build date for the car is in mid-December so the 11-22 casting for the engine block makes some sense.

Casting numbers are rarely the Part Number for these cars. I did just check the block and intake manifold casting numbers against the 55-58 Parts manual. No joy. The actual 56 D500 intake manifold PN is 1731 515, so go figure.

I recently purchased a bore "endo" scope so now I can find out my D500-4306's casting date (because I know where to look now). I will report back tomorrow (if I remember)



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-15 9:00 PM (#587569 - in reply to #587414)
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56D500boy - 2019-09-11 11:05 PM I recently purchased a bore "endo" scope so now I can find out my D500-4306's casting date (because I know where to look now). I will report back tomorrow (if I remember)



Well it wasn't "tomorrow" but it was (finally a break in the rain) today.

Inspired by Hunter's photo of his 315 D500-1003's casting number and date, I tried to suss out the ones on my D500-4603. Used the "endo" scope but it wasn't as easy as I thought that it would be. I poked it between and under the intake runners on the driver's side, I was able to see that the casting date was 4 - 9 - 56. However, I could only see those numbers one at a time, and getting a reading on the casting number was difficult. So I got out my older (and now thoroughly abused Sony mini-digital camera and stuck it down into and beneath the intake manifold (through spaces between the intake runner's etc). Confirmed the 4-9-56 casting date (in two photos) and the casting number - much the same as Hunter's except the last hyphenated number. I can't tell if mine is 6 or 8. (??).

The April 9, 1956 casting date fits with the theory that the castings were made about a month (or so) before the car is built (at the LA plant), giving some time for the casting to "cure", get machined and the engine assembled before it was lowered into the engine bay on the build date (May 15, 1956 in my car's case). I assume that the D500's were all built in Detroit so the 5 or 6 weeks between casting and the engine installation would (should?) also give some time for rail/truck transport from Detroit to LA.

(BTW - I had no idea that my engine was so wet with oil (or Power Steering fluid (ATF in my case)) down in there. Another project for another day.

My D500-4603 info:



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-16 12:59 AM (#587589 - in reply to #585631)
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Did you see this one on ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-HEMI-D-500-MOTOR-/153631319566?ul_noap...

D-500 -2263 AND A CASTING DATE OF ( 2-8-56)
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-16 1:36 AM (#587591 - in reply to #587589)
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Powerflite - 2019-09-15 9:59 PM

Did you see this one on ebay?
D-500 -2263 AND A CASTING DATE OF ( 2-8-56)


Nathan: Thanks. Yes I did see that one (and saved the photos). I haven't added the info to the data base yet. (Must do that tomorrow).

What I didn't notice until just now is the heads are interchangeable, left to right, because there are cooling manifold ports on both ends of the heads. At the rear, there are blanking plates. Are the other 331, 341, 354, 392, etc. hemi heads like that too?





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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-16 11:22 AM (#587605 - in reply to #585631)
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Yes, all the heads are interchangeable, including the poly heads.
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57burb
Posted 2019-09-16 11:33 AM (#587606 - in reply to #587605)
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Heads are interchangeable from side-to-side, true. This goes for every early Hemi. As you see, the water ports at the end of each head in "dry intake" Hemi engines are either connected to the crossover manifold, or blocked off by the plates.

There is one instance where the heads are not directly interchangeable, and that is when the car has factory air conditioning. The factory drilled and tapped the heads for a/c mounting brackets on only one end, so you can't swap the heads side-to-side if you plan to use the brackets.

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56 Royal 500
Posted 2019-09-16 3:46 PM (#587616 - in reply to #585631)
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Interesting pics of the engine numbers! I noticed the '56' cast after the day and month on them. My engine doesn't have a year cast on it. Only '11-22' is cast. I went out and took another pic of it. Please excuse the gasket dust as I am still cleaning it up.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-16 3:47 PM (#587617 - in reply to #587591)
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Okay, I've added the new data points. Still need to add more of Bruce F's info but that will have to wait for a rainy day.





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56D500boy
Posted 2019-10-04 1:40 AM (#588378 - in reply to #587617)
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One more to add before I forget: The D500 8 passenger Sierra wagon on Hemmings: D500-3509 built on/around April 9, 1956





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