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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-26 7:53 PM (#587995)
Subject: Need new tires....thoughts?



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The 59 Windsor needs new tires....not much of a selection for 14 inch wheels. Thought about going to 15 inch rims but then the hubcaps won't work.
Was considering aftermarket Torque thrust in a 16 inch size but would like to keep it stock. Currently has a narrow white wall but don't want to spend for wide whites.
I will be driving it as I did 20 years ago, pretty much a daily driver, too much fun to just let it sit or drive it once in awhile.

Any thoughts or recommendations appreciated
Thanks,
Brian
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57burb
Posted 2019-09-26 8:39 PM (#587996 - in reply to #587995)
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From everything you already ruled out, it sounds like your only option is 14" radials with a black sidewall or a narrow white wall. You can get them at any tire store. 215/75-14 should be about right.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-215-75R-14-HANKOOK-OPTIMO-H724-WHITE-...
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ABloch
Posted 2019-09-26 11:53 PM (#588002 - in reply to #587995)
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^^what Danny said^^

215/75/14
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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-27 1:49 AM (#588004 - in reply to #588002)
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Going to check with Discount Tires in the next town over this week and see what they have.. Les schwab's trying to get me to order from Coker some WWW but I don't want the upkeep as it will be somewhat of a daily driver..(and really don't want to spend the money) BTDT. Going to dismount tires, blast rims, and paint before putting new tires on. It has 225/75R14 on it now with a 1 inch or thereabouts (maybe 3/4, I'd have to measure) that were on it when I sold it in '96 so it's definitely time for new tires. There is a place in Sacramento that will cut a WWW into new tires and I have even considered to go that route, but wide whites have to look clean all the time, at least to me. I guess I could clean them every week when I wash it.
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58coronet
Posted 2019-09-27 1:57 AM (#588005 - in reply to #587995)
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Those 215/75R14 tires are going to look mighty small on the Windsor. Unfortunately not much choice in 14 inch tires. I replaced the old 215/75R14 tires on my '58 Coronet with new Goodyear Super Cushions in size 8.00x14 and the look and ride is so much better. Granted they are expensive and bias ply....but the larger diameter looks so much better and the speedometer is correct now. At least consider them before going with 215-14's.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-09-27 2:49 AM (#588007 - in reply to #587995)
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these are 215/55/15 and they are puny



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arizona mopar gold
Posted 2019-09-27 3:43 AM (#588009 - in reply to #587995)
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I just put 4, 215/75/14 with white wall on my 57 Coronet...all up $352 out the door at Discount Tire
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mstrug
Posted 2019-09-27 4:32 AM (#588012 - in reply to #587995)
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Cali has Radials for $140 for 215x75-14:

http://callitw.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=1_4&product...

They have other 14'' tires too...

http://callitw.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=1_4

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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-09-27 8:21 AM (#588026 - in reply to #587995)
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im going for some Vogue tires.

235/75/15



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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-28 2:32 AM (#588073 - in reply to #587995)
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Ordered 215/75/14's from Discount tire. Price is more than right and at least I can hopefully be driving by the end of next week. I ran the Hankook 13's on my Corvair
for a few years and they rode and handled and rode nice.. (yes, Corvair's do handle nice, forget Ralph Nader) so hoping they will work on the Windsor for awhile. Thank you for the links and suggestions.

Brian
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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-28 2:48 AM (#588074 - in reply to #588026)
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I do like the looks of those Vogue tires though
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22mafeja
Posted 2019-09-28 2:58 AM (#588075 - in reply to #587995)
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I put van tyres on my firedome 58. I like BWW tyres
215/80 R14 Green Max Linglong GreenMax Van 112/110R
The height is really right ....big difference from 215/75-14...they are too low..


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58coronet
Posted 2019-09-28 8:26 AM (#588077 - in reply to #587995)
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Interesting bit of info regarding Corvairs and their handling problems......Due to the extreme light weight on the front wheels due to the rear engine design, GM only called for 15 psi or so in the front tires. Folks would unknowingly inflate them to 30 psi or so, and the bias ply tires would handle like they were rolling on marbles. Nothing inherently wrong with the car's handling otherwise.
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1960fury
Posted 2019-09-28 10:12 AM (#588078 - in reply to #588077)
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58coronet - 2019-09-28 8:26 AM

Interesting bit of info regarding Corvairs and their handling problems......Due to the extreme light weight on the front wheels due to the rear engine design, GM only called for 15 psi or so in the front tires. Folks would unknowingly inflate them to 30 psi or so, and the bias ply tires would handle like they were rolling on marbles. Nothing inherently wrong with the car's handling otherwise.


Well, rear engines cars are not as safe as front engine cars per se (has nothing to do with handling) and IIRC the corvair had a swing axle.
One would think, since it is called IRS, better than a straight axle. This is not the case. Swing axle=worst suspension system
in automobile history. Other storys I heard, it rolled easily since the bean counters omited the sway bar(s)?
Anyway, the Corvair never appealed to me. Small 60s car? I'd have prefered a 1rst generation Barracuda
with the crazy rear window. Why it wasn't a sale success like the (Imo) UGLY 64+ Mustang coupe, I'll never understand.

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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2019-09-28 10:47 AM (#588079 - in reply to #587995)
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With proper inflated tires, the handing of the 1960-64 Swing axle Corvair was fine, so Nader did a disservice to the model calling it an easy flipper in his book. GM even redesigned the rear suspension for the 1965-69 model year, so it became a very stable car that performed well. GM decided to let the Corvair die though after the 1969 model year because they had another model in mind to replace it.

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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-29 1:12 AM (#588104 - in reply to #587995)
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Not to turn this into Corvair love or bashing topic, personally love them but here's a few thoughts. I have 16 in various states..parts to almost restored...most persons are ill informed or just ignorant of how advanced the Corvair was...more models offered than any car company of the time. Only production air cooled turbo (only beaten to market by Olds but there's didn't work. Wagons, vans, trucks, convertibles, coupes, sedans. I have a couple to a few of each Of eary and late models. Texas A&M in 1972 completely exonorated the early model suspension design of any fault. The later 65-69 IRS out slalomed the Corvette at GM proving grounds and its no wonder it was called the poor mans Porsche. My little 63 convertable 4 speed gets 24 MPH and is an absolute blast to drive. Probably would get more if I wasn't so hard on her. You either love them or hate them.
AND I also love my big finned Mopars!!

PS...A girl I went to HS with had a 64 convert she drove every day.She got in a head on collision when a drunk driver crossed the road one night.crushed the front end all the way to the gas tank...I wish I had taken pictures of it. She broke some ribs and had a hurt shoulder, spent the night at the hospital but basically walked away from a very serious accident. Her dad bought one of my parts cars and he and his daughter put the convert back together and she drove it for years after that. Seeing it made me a believer in the design and safety of the Corvair.

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BrianD
Posted 2019-09-29 1:24 AM (#588105 - in reply to #587995)
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Another thing...I think Don Yenko thought they were a pretty good race car. And Jay Leno and Tim Allen

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=...
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Posted 2019-09-29 5:18 AM (#588109 - in reply to #587995)
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yenko was not far from where i grew up in western pa . once a friend of my dads had them do a custom paint on a dragster called the god father and a mopar , a swinger i think it was , anyhow if you saw
the yenko shop you'd wonder where they got the money to build such great classics . not much more than a rundown chevrolet dealership ----------------------------------------------- later
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Posted 2019-09-30 5:00 PM (#588190 - in reply to #587995)
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Disagree on the 1st Turbo... the Olds Jetfire turbo V8 worked just fine, but you HAD to use the factory Jetfire fluid injection system (alcohol based) to avoid detonation. They were very reliable and effective. The all aluminum 215 cu in V8 was boosted from 150 to 165 hp and that same basic engine (Buick's version) was bought by Rover (the tooling) and produced by them from 1967 to 2004 !! .
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wizard
Posted 2019-10-03 2:19 AM (#588336 - in reply to #588075)
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22mafeja - 2019-09-28 8:58 AM

I put van tyres on my firedome 58. I like BWW tyres
215/80 R14 Green Max Linglong GreenMax Van 112/110R
The height is really right ....big difference from 215/75-14...they are too low..


Could you please post a photo of those tires here?

The bias ply tires 8.50 - 14 had an approximate diameter of 730mm (29")

The 215/80 R14 should have a theoretical height of 215x80%x2+344 (14") = 699,6mm (27.5"), hence 1.5" too small (but acceptable).



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Posted 2019-10-03 3:06 PM (#588362 - in reply to #587995)
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I've been working these numbers for a while. My 61 Newport ran 235/75r15 tires, speedo seemed pretty close. I'm running 215/75r15 tires on my 64 880. Too small, speedo off by a fair margin. I just found this site: https://tiresize.com/comparison/
It lets you do a size comparison easily. Now I see that the 235/75R15 is close to the original 8.00-14 tires it came with, at 29 inches diameter. Cool site, also can calculate plus sizing like +1 for 16", +2 for 17".
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billy
Posted 2019-10-11 12:52 PM (#588690 - in reply to #587995)
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I put 235/75R15's Radials on my 57 New Yorker that originally came with 8.00-14's....Calli Tire wide whites (on Hankock's)....$100/tire cheaper than Coker and others...they ride nice...
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Posted 2019-10-11 4:20 PM (#588700 - in reply to #587995)
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If youre willing to spend the money, you can get bias ply look radials. Best of both worlds, 50's looks, radial handling. 

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Posted 2019-10-11 4:33 PM (#588701 - in reply to #587995)
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And those ones have serious problems as well....
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22mafeja
Posted 2019-10-13 1:50 PM (#588791 - in reply to #588336)
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Hmm...my eyes lied to me...the 215/80-14 van tyres look big but when I measured them I was surprised...they are only 680 mm diameter. I think 8.00-14 is about 700mm so pretty close to that
at least.



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BrianD
Posted 2019-10-14 7:04 PM (#588837 - in reply to #587995)
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Tire height a little shorter than I wanted but still close to what was on it. They will work for now
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BrianD
Posted 2019-10-14 7:09 PM (#588839 - in reply to #587995)
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Tire height a little shorter than I wanted but still close to what was on it. They will work for now
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BrianD
Posted 2019-10-14 7:13 PM (#588840 - in reply to #587995)
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will post pictures when I can
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BrianD
Posted 2019-10-14 7:14 PM (#588841 - in reply to #587995)
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BrianD
Posted 2019-10-14 7:18 PM (#588843 - in reply to #587995)
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