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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-08-18 10:55 AM (#602223 - in reply to #602213)
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Dave L. - 2020-08-17 11:49 PM

Thanks, this is very interesting. As you and I have discussed Nick, my project car is a 1960 Windsor T&C wagon, converted by Richard Brothers, and sold through their unique relationship to Chrysler and it's dealers, into a combination ambulance/ hearse. Chrysler Historical provided me with documentation that Goodyear was trying to interest Richard Brothers in their CaptiveAir tires. I have 1960 Richard Brothers publicity photos that show white sidewall CapriveAir tires on their display vehicles. I also have 999 on the build sheet for my tires. Note I believe because it is a SWB Windsor it would have had 6" wide wheels, not the 6.5". So if I am understanding you correctly, perhaps my "999" was for a blackwall CaptiveAir option. No evidence of a jack.


I have a feeling on yours that you probably got the larger 9.00x14 whitewall Captive Air tires. That would explain the 999 code like on the window sticker above. I think I remember that all your promotional photos from Richard Brothers showed whitewalls. Since they put the same 9.00x14 tires on both 6" and 6.5" wheels, I don't know which ones you would have gotten. Do you have original wheels for your car?

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Dave L.
Posted 2020-08-18 7:47 PM (#602246 - in reply to #602223)
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Thanks for the additional feedback, Nick. Nah, the previous owner installed C-Body road wheels t move it around. Correct, the Richard Brothers publicity photos I have all show the narrow whitewalls.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-08-20 1:43 AM (#602302 - in reply to #588872)
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Today I replaced the rear fuel line in the wagon. The original was pretty crusty and got damaged when the car was unloaded by the shipper. There was no tank in the car so the line was flopping around back there and hooked on the truck. I lucked out and found someone parting out a '64 Dodge 880 wagon and got the fuel and brake lines as well as the gas tank and other parts. Fortunately the '64 is the same as the '60 underneath. I still need to replace or fabricate the line going through the subframe as I didn't think to get that one. When trying to take the hose off of it where it connects to the rear line, it broke off.




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normsclassicradio
Posted 2020-08-20 6:56 PM (#602338 - in reply to #602302)
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Is the guy with the 880 wagon close to you? I'm always looking for stuff for my 64 880 sedan.
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Posted 2020-08-20 8:01 PM (#602342 - in reply to #602338)
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normsclassicradio - 2020-08-20 3:56 PM

Is the guy with the 880 wagon close to you? I'm always looking for stuff for my 64 880 sedan. ;)


He's in the Sacramento area but the car is gone by now. There wasn't much to it as it was a "race car" and stripped of most parts.







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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-08-24 1:43 AM (#602453 - in reply to #588872)
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Today I got the fuel line out of the subframe. The end that connected to the rear line was rotted off. Of course it fell down inside the subframe so it took me a while to fish the end out so I could pull it out. Need to make a new one. When they tried to get the car running they removed the mechanical fuel pump and blocked it off. They mounted an electric fuel pump to the inner fender and two fuel filters to the carburetor. I got a rebuilt original-style Carter pump and need to make a new line from the pump to the carb so I can get the fuel filter back to the correct location. All I have is an old cheap flaring tool. Need to get a better one.




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Posted 2020-08-24 3:57 AM (#602458 - in reply to #588872)
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If you don't mind doing the flare on the bench, I highly recommend purchasing this one. You will need to mount it in a vise, but it works effortlessly, even for large tubes or even stainless.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/kti-70081




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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-08-24 10:38 AM (#602469 - in reply to #602458)
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Powerflite - 2020-08-24 12:57 AM

If you don't mind doing the flare on the bench, I highly recommend purchasing this one. You will need to mount it in a vise, but it works effortlessly, even for large tubes or even stainless.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/kti-70081


I looked at that one and a hydraulic one. The advantage of the hydraulic one is it's easier to use under the car. When I thought I was going to have to do the lines in the car I was leaning that way. A friend works in a tractor shop and he has access to this stuff.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-07 5:39 PM (#602996 - in reply to #588872)
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Put the new exhaust in the car this weekend. Still needs a bit of fiddling to get things lined up right. Also got all the fuel lines done and fuel pump installed. Had to make a new one to go through the subframe as well as the one going from the pump to the carburetor. Got the gas tank ready to install but the welded in nut for the tank strap to the body broke loose. Have to fix that. Once I get that done and put the new spark plugs I'll be ready to try and fire this thing up.




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Ev's62Chrysler
Posted 2020-09-07 11:35 PM (#603004 - in reply to #588872)
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Exhaust looks nice. Is the "fiddling" bending/welding, or purely assembly? When you get it all done and running, I'd love to hear feedback on the sound as well as to see a photo of the tailpipes in the rear. Been think of replacing my exhaust with the proper dual setup as original as somewhere over the years mine was converted to single. Were you able to use the original hangers/locations?

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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-08 12:58 AM (#603005 - in reply to #603004)
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Ev's62Chrysler - 2020-09-07 8:35 PM

Exhaust looks nice. Is the "fiddling" bending/welding, or purely assembly? When you get it all done and running, I'd love to hear feedback on the sound as well as to see a photo of the tailpipes in the rear. Been think of replacing my exhaust with the proper dual setup as original as somewhere over the years mine was converted to single. Were you able to use the original hangers/locations?

Robert


Robert, I got the exhaust kit from Waldrons. It's all the stock size which is pretty small. 2" exhaust pipes with 1 7/8" tail pipes. I had to get new muffler hangers as mine were rotten beyond use. I found 1967 B-body ones that were for 1 7/8" pipes and replaced the rubber to make them work. On the forward hangers I had to install new hooks for the pipes but used the original straps. The tail pipe hangers are the originals that I cleaned up. The fiddling will be moving the pipes around before clamping everything tight. No welding. I may end up having to take it to an exhaust shop for adjustment as the tails don't fit exactly right. The car was missing all the mufflers and the pipes between them and parts of the pipes in front of the resonators. And one of the tail pipes was not original.

Here are the tail pipes where they exit. I don't know how similar the '62 exhaust is to my '60.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-08 1:03 AM (#603006 - in reply to #588872)
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These are the front hangers. They go in the subframe next to the ends of the torsion bars. I replaced the hooks with ones from generic hangers.




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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-08 1:13 AM (#603008 - in reply to #588872)
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These are the muffler hangers. Tried with the u-shaped strap but it didn't provide enough support so replaced it with a loop like the originals. I may end up modifying them to have plates inside the loop like the original to give more support to the rubber than just a washer that I have in there now.

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They have other sizes if you are running bigger pipes.


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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-08 1:20 AM (#603009 - in reply to #588872)
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While the other hangers are the same as other body styles, the tail pipe hangers are specific to the wagon since the pipes exit out the sides of the car. The frame bracket is the same on each side but the hooks are left and right.




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Ev's62Chrysler
Posted 2020-09-08 11:46 PM (#603048 - in reply to #588872)
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Nick,

Thanks for the info and photos. When I inquired a couple of years ago the lady at Waldrons couldn't give me additional info on the tailpipes, but said they should be as original. Good to see yours appear to be correct. I imagine our wagons use the same setup. My single pipe exits straight back, and I get a lot of fumes with the tailgate window down. Hoping when I do replace it, more fumes exist to the sides.

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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-09 12:24 AM (#603051 - in reply to #603048)
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Ev's62Chrysler - 2020-09-08 8:46 PM

Nick,

Thanks for the info and photos. When I inquired a couple of years ago the lady at Waldrons couldn't give me additional info on the tailpipes, but said they should be as original. Good to see yours appear to be correct. I imagine our wagons use the same setup. My single pipe exits straight back, and I get a lot of fumes with the tailgate window down. Hoping when I do replace it, more fumes exist to the sides.

Robert


Ruth at Waldron's can be a little lacking in the customer service skills. And yes, the exhaust needs to exit out the side or it will get sucked into the back of the car. These wagons don't seal will at the bottom of the gate. Especially if the gate gets bent on the inside at the bottom from people climbing over it.

Does yours use resonators and mufflers?

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Posted 2020-09-09 6:49 AM (#603053 - in reply to #588872)
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Yes, it originally had resonators and mufflers. Most, if not all, of the original hangers are still in place. It currently has a single muffler, but it's nice and quiet.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-15 1:34 PM (#603220 - in reply to #588872)
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Got my fuel tank installed. Had an issue with the mount for the tank strap. The captured nut in the bracket on the body broke loose. Had to cut the bolt head off to get it out. That left me with a hole. Was going to put a rivnut in it but the hole was too big so made an insert to drop down in the bracket. Had to use a long bolt to get it started but it worked out well. Still need to put the stone guard in but will wait until I get the car started.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-09-23 2:03 PM (#603524 - in reply to #588872)
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When I got the wagon, it was missing the grille emblem. I had bought a broken grille that had to get an emblem as these are hard to find in any usable condition. My friend fixed the emblem up for me. The plastic has a crack and was scratched up and the glue they use on them is pretty strong. Trying to redo the chrome and gold on the plastic is not easy but I think he did a great job with what he had to work with and it's going to look great on the car. I would still like to find an NOS one one day.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-10-10 1:35 PM (#604288 - in reply to #588872)
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After posting pictures of my emblem on Facebook. Someone let me know that they had an NOS one. Almost too nice to put on the car. I'm going to run with my old one for now and put this one further down the road.





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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-10-10 1:43 PM (#604289 - in reply to #588872)
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My wagon didn't come with it's original gas cap. Had a clunky chrome one with a black handle. Fit the filler but stuck up quite a bit. I bought a vintage Stant locking cap that was supposed to fit it but I couldn't get it to latch onto the filler. Was afraid if I got it on, I wouldn't be able to get it off again. I did find NOS original types. The dealer counter versions were all chrome to match any paint color even though the originals would have been body color with a chrome handle.

The other day I found this NOS factory locking accessory cap online. They were listed in the parts book but no picture so I wasn't sure what it looked like before. It fits the car perfectly. Nice and flush with the body and looks good. I've since seen other ones on eBay without the part number or box and bought another one for a friend. Then I found a Gates cap that looks like the same thing but uses different style of keys.





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Posted 2020-10-14 1:34 PM (#604446 - in reply to #588872)
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Great thread, I really appreciate all the details on the exhaust as I will be doing the same work on my '60 Plymouth wagon soon. As you already know, I recently installed my repaired fuel tank. My original strap was rusted pretty thin, so I drew a flat one in SolidWorks and had it laser cut out of stainless (the material cost on a small part was negligible, you're just paying for laser time). I had two cutout since I knew I'd have to bend it up to work and I was worried I might not get it right in one try, but I did. Any way, if you need/want a stainless tank strap, let me know.
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Posted 2020-12-05 9:59 AM (#606404 - in reply to #604289)
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NicksGarage - could you post picture showing the backside of the Chrysler NOS gas cap (part 2123643) ?

When installing the cap does it require to really push down in order to have the locking tabs engage into the filler tube flange ?

Since I couldn’t locate an NOS one, ended up purchasing that Gates 77 version. It fits the filler tube but the locking tabs don’t want to catch.

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Posted 2020-12-05 8:40 PM (#606432 - in reply to #606404)
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Space Trukin Wagon - 2020-12-05 6:59 AM

NicksGarage - could you post picture showing the backside of the Chrysler NOS gas cap (part 2123643) ?

When installing the cap does it require to really push down in order to have the locking tabs engage into the filler tube flange ?

Since I couldn’t locate an NOS one, ended up purchasing that Gates 77 version. It fits the filler tube but the locking tabs don’t want to catch.



Here you go. The Gates one is on the right. The gasket on the Gates one is thicker, but softer, so you have to exert more pressure to get it to latch on. Even on the factory cap, you need to make sure both engage. If they aren't it's pretty noticeable since it won't be flush on both sides. Basically I just listen for two clicks when installing it.





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Posted 2020-12-06 12:55 AM (#606444 - in reply to #606432)
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Thanks for the pictures. That Gates cap on the right is the exact same one that I have.

Just didn't want to mess it up by pressing down with too much force when installing.
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