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56D500boy
Posted 2019-11-11 1:53 PM (#590022)
Subject: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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I don't have a 56 Plymouth but I am curious about the answer to Powerflite's (Nathan's) question about the air cleaner on a 277 4bbl Power Pack 56 Plymouth engine:

Powerflite - 2019-11-06 11:42 AM
Do you have the air cleaner as well? Can you post a picture of it?


The answer was the 277 owner didn't have the OE aircleaner

drtracer01 - 2019-11-06 11:57 AM
Sorry I do not have the original air cleaner, it has been swapped with something newer.


As usual (sorry ), I stuck my nose into it an suggested that the air cleaner might be like the 56 Fury (303 4 bbl) air cleaner:



This was semi-corroborated by the PN 1639 065 which was the 56 Fury and P29 V8 power pack (4 bbl) air cleaner number



I am now adding based on this 56 Plymouth order form list, Item 387, lists the components of the Power Pack as 4 bbl carb, special intake manifold, dual exhaust and "Special Air Cleaner". What could be more "Special" than a golden air cleaner?



To bolster my theory that the air cleaner on the 303 Fury was also used on less than Fury power pack 277s, I used the same part number listing above to show that the red D500 4 bbl air cleaner, PN 1639 126,
was also used on 56 Coronets (D63-1) with the 315 poly power pack.

Here is an example of a 56 Texan with the Power Pack (according to the text) and obviously not a black air cleaner (probably red based on similar B&W photos of D500 engine bays at the time):



56 Dodge D500 engine bay in black and white:




So bottomline, can someone, anywhere, corroborate that the 56 Plymouths with 277 4 bbls had gold painted big Chrysler style 4 bbl oil bath air cleaners when they left the factory?



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GaryS
Posted 2019-11-11 7:01 PM (#590037 - in reply to #590022)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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In 1956, my dad bought a Belvedere sedan with a 277 2bbl, while a friend's dad bought a Savoy sedan with a 277 4bbl. We often sat them side by side with the hoods open, so I saw the obvious difference between 2 and 4bbl air cleaners was the color. One was red and the other was yellow. Now, don't ask me which was which because I can't remember which was which! If forced to make a choice, I would say the 4bbl was yellow.

Now, if I was also forced to make my best guess about the color of a Fury air cleaner, it would be gold, but it would only be a guess based on other gold-colored parts that were unique to the Fury, or that they wanted to look like they were.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-11-11 7:58 PM (#590038 - in reply to #590037)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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GaryS - 2019-11-11 4:01 PM

In 1956, my dad bought a Belvedere sedan with a 277 2bbl, while a friend's dad bought a Savoy sedan with a 277 4bbl. We often sat them side by side with the hoods open, so I saw the obvious difference between 2 and 4bbl air cleaners was the color. One was red and the other was yellow.


Thanks for the input Gary. The three colour choices are Red, Yellow and Gold. Gold = Fury. However, I can't find any consistent colours for the 4 bbl air cleaners.

Here is a red 2 bbl (you can tell it is a 2 bbl because of the tightening loop extension on the air cleaner base clamp. The 4 bbls don't have a clamp, they bolt down through a center stud).



And here are two yellow 2 bbl air cleaners (look for the loop) (the one on the right is Powerflite's before he pulled the engine to install a hemi):



And here is a red 4 bbl air cleaner (not sure if it is OE or not - we know that the engine is not OE) (4 bbl air cleaners of that era have a bit of a notch at the front to clear the fuel line coming in):



And a yellow 4 bbl air cleaner:





Edited by 56D500boy 2019-11-11 8:05 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-11-11 9:21 PM (#590041 - in reply to #590022)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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Originally, yellow air cleaners were used on the Plymouth "A" motor to designate that the motor was made by Plymouth. The Dodge 270 motor received the red air cleaner to designate a Dodge motor resided underneath it. This made it easy to tell which motor you have. Of course, over time air cleaners migrate.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-11-12 5:47 PM (#590069 - in reply to #590022)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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I just spoke with some people I trust to know the answer to this question and both Gary Pavlovitch and Hoodinki from this site confirmed that they have both seen original 4bbl power pak air cleaners from 277 motors that were painted yellow with red lettering on it. So they weren't painted like the Fury, which makes sense since they didn't have the matching gold valve covers either.

Most likely, the Dodge 270 4bbl motor received the same red Dodge 4bbl air cleaner, but with the white Plymouth lettering placed on it, colored in a similar fashion as the 2bbl version for the same motor.

Edited by Powerflite 2019-11-12 5:55 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-11-12 7:06 PM (#590073 - in reply to #590069)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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Powerflite - 2019-11-12 2:47 PM

I just spoke with some people I trust to know the answer to this question and both Gary Pavlovitch and Hoodinki from this site confirmed that they have both seen original 4bbl power pak air cleaners from 277 motors that were painted yellow with red lettering on it. So they weren't painted like the Fury, which makes sense since they didn't have the matching gold valve covers either.


If you're happy with those answers, then this thread can wrap up.

One nagging question is why does the 55-58 Parts catalogue only have one PN for the P29 V8 Fury (4 bbl) and the P29 V8 with the power pack, i.e. 1639 065 given that one was gold (Fury) and one was yellow with lettering (Powerpack).

Oh well. I guess I live with not knowing.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2019-11-12 9:27 PM (#590081 - in reply to #590073)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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56D500boy - 2019-11-12 4:06 PM

Powerflite - 2019-11-12 2:47 PM

I just spoke with some people I trust to know the answer to this question and both Gary Pavlovitch and Hoodinki from this site confirmed that they have both seen original 4bbl power pak air cleaners from 277 motors that were painted yellow with red lettering on it. So they weren't painted like the Fury, which makes sense since they didn't have the matching gold valve covers either.


If you're happy with those answers, then this thread can wrap up.

One nagging question is why does the 55-58 Parts catalogue only have one PN for the P29 V8 Fury (4 bbl) and the P29 V8 with the power pack, i.e. 1639 065 given that one was gold (Fury) and one was yellow with lettering (Powerpack).

Oh well. I guess I live with not knowing.





Do they list separate part numbers for the gold valve covers? Were the '56 Furys a regular production line model or were they pulled off the line to add Fury stuff? Maybe someone with an original Fury could check to see if there is yellow paint under the gold on the air cleaner.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-11-12 11:05 PM (#590087 - in reply to #590081)
Subject: Re: In search of 56 Plymouth P29 V8 Power Pack (4 bbl) air cleaner shape and colour



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NicksGarage - 2019-11-12 6:27 PM
Do they list separate part numbers for the gold valve covers? Were the '56 Furys a regular production line model or were they pulled off the line to add Fury stuff? Maybe someone with an original Fury could check to see if there is yellow paint under the gold on the air cleaner.


There is only one PN for the 56 P29 valve covers, i.e. 1827 401, same for the Fury so who knows.

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