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Powerflite
Posted 2020-03-16 4:44 PM (#595649 - in reply to #590547)
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I was completely astounded to find out that it really was that easy. I was able to adjust it out with about 1/4" of adjustment to spare. Luck must be on my side today.

I couldn't find the piece of angle iron that I used the last time to make the brake light switch mount, so I decided to make it simpler with a thick, flat section from an old piece of brake hardware. I will weld this to the pedal frame to position the switch on the pedal. I used a Duralast JA411 stop light switch from an early to mid '80's Nissan because it is all steel construction and was a whole lot cheaper at Rockauto than the plastic GM versions. The only drawback to it is you have to tap the bracket to a 10mm size, but that's not a big deal. I will install it on the car once this blasted rain stops.....

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netparts
Posted 2020-03-16 10:04 PM (#595657 - in reply to #590547)
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Nathan... Just bought another 58 Desoto. It's a Firesweep 2 door hardtop. White car with red spear and top. Excited to get it out from the tangle of trees that had the car completely covered after 40 years of sitting.

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Powerflite
Posted 2020-03-16 10:39 PM (#595659 - in reply to #590547)
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Wow, that's quite buried in there! Hopefully the rust monster hasn't gotten to it yet.
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Posted 2020-03-17 7:40 PM (#595693 - in reply to #590547)
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I got the brake switch setup installed and took the seats out to take out the nasty carpet and clean up the floor. I inspected the floor more fully with everything out and it looks remarkably good, but not as good as I had first thought. For some reason, there was a lot of dirt packed into the front-most floor brace that rotted it out on both sides of the car, along with the floor above it. The floor above the seat mount is bulging from rust underneath it, as is typical, and there are a couple of small rust holes by the removable floor panel. Overall, really good and I didn't see any other issues on it. The round dips in the floors that are almost always rusted out are perfectly fine so it's odd that the braces were packed with so much dirt & rusted out so badly.

I also clearanced the bottom of the air cleaner to make it work with the '60-'67 carburetors that have the choke valve on them. That setup interferes with the bottom of the air cleaner quite badly and it's painful to swap out the entire choke setup to use an older style on it. So I decided to make the air cleaner work with either style. The later carbs flow better with larger throttle valves, so that's another reason to make it work.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-03-24 1:06 AM (#595942 - in reply to #590547)
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The brake master has 10mm connections to the remote reservoir so I originally ordered 10mm hose to mate up to it. But once I received it, I found that it slid off the ports quite easily and it was difficult to get it to seal on there. So I ordered another 3/8" hose instead. That one fit much better and I was able to use more common English size connectors as well. I painted the master with brake fluid safe cast iron gray paint from Eastwood so that it won't rust and look nasty over time. Make sure you use shielded clamps on this hose as it is very pliable and I think that regular clamps would damage it.

I finally received the new hose on Saturday so I put it together today. I bench bled the master on the car and then connected it all up. The outer line on the reservoir was wanting to collide with the wires coming out of the firewall so I used a 90 degree connector on that side to avoid issues. The ballast resistor was originally mounted in this location, but that is going away soon so I won't miss it. I found that the '58 iron steering box is a lot smaller than the '57 aluminum box that I had used for my mockup. I should have anticipated that, but it slipped my attention. So I had to bend the line in closer to the steering box after mounting it. That made my front loop a little more loopy than it should have been. Oh well, not as pretty as I had hoped, but it works. After bleeding the brakes, I have a very solid pedal! It should be good to go, although I noticed that the rears were holding the tires a little even after releasing the brakes. Hopefully they loosen up with a little bit of driving....we'll see.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-03-24 2:33 AM (#595946 - in reply to #590547)
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isnt that brake setup llike 500$? thats a wilwood remote setup?
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Posted 2020-03-24 10:54 AM (#595960 - in reply to #590547)
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No, not even close. The master is from a '87-'04 Mitsubishi Fuso "FE" truck with front discs & rear drums and is cast iron. It cost me $65 at the time. Part number is Dorman M630742 and sells for $56 on Ebay. I had to machine the mounting holes to a slightly larger opening to fit a mopar, but it is made with 4 mounting holes that almost fit on the old mount so no adapter is required. The reservoir is the most expensive part, but is necessary because you need one that will fit in the available space. It is from Classic Industries and cost about $150. I didn't even have to mess with the adjustable pushrod. Just adjust it a little shorter and it works great with it.

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Posted 2020-03-24 1:25 PM (#595967 - in reply to #590547)
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hah wow that's a weird find. I just bought the adjustable pushrod(40$) and the hemi offset brake mounting bracket 80$...

I thought my reservoir fit? Ill do a quick video of test fitting. I may have to do what you did with the remote. I don't like that shiny machined brake reservoir though looks too modern

I tried to avoid it but obviously couldn't... now i have a chrome alternator and all kinds of polished crap maybe i can scuff it...

Oh i better paint my "Chrysler Firepower" black lettering also... i just noticed it looks wierd without it... like I "forgot" something...



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-03-24 1:32 PM (#595968 - in reply to #590547)
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I thought the same way, and figured I would anodize all of them with black color. But installing it on my black New Yorker, it wouldn't look as good in black so I became accustomed to the aluminum. I figure it will dull with time on its own. But I may annodize a couple of them for certain cars. I guess I could paint it cast iron gray like the master....

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Posted 2020-03-24 6:45 PM (#595974 - in reply to #595946)
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It's no big deal, but you might try disguising that brushed aluminum with gray or black paint. It draws your eye instantly.

I really like your master cylinder and fill solution. Dealing with the stock Mopar power brake arrangement in this era is such a pain in the butt. Personally I don't care much for the enormous factory vacuum canisters they hung on the inner fenders. Has anyone tried to fit an aftermarket vacuum reservoir inside the fender? Seems like that space could be used to hide one - and then hope it never rusts out.
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Posted 2020-03-24 8:46 PM (#595977 - in reply to #590547)
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Once you put a silver motor in there, it doesn't look so out of place. The main reason it does now is because the previous, previous owner of this car loved to make EVERYTHING black. That, and everything else is filthy except for these new parts. The problem with this master is the downward pointing brake line on the front port. That could be a pain to deal with on a hemi motor. I haven't scoped it out completely, but it'll be pretty tight with those wide valve covers under it. You could hide the vacuum reservoir under the battery tray like they did in 1960. Maybe get one from a '60 and see if you can fit it under there. I don't really mind them on the inner fenders except when you have auto pilot as well. Then things get obnoxiously crowded. So on my '58 New Yorker, I am tempted to try it too.



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Posted 2020-03-25 8:44 AM (#595991 - in reply to #590547)
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Nathan, sometimes I can not follow on which car you work at the moment,- and in which thread I am at the moment....
Is this 392 in the turquoise '58 Fireflite in whose thread I am into at the moment?
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Posted 2020-03-25 9:44 AM (#595995 - in reply to #590547)
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He has FWL attention deficit disorder... Im showing signs...
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Posted 2020-03-25 12:28 PM (#596006 - in reply to #590547)
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This picture is from my black & white '57 New Yorker.
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