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Powerflite
Posted 2021-06-14 2:08 PM (#612762 - in reply to #592117)
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Very smart on a wagon. There is so much weight back there that you need much more brake than most other cars. Even more if you are towing.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-06-14 4:26 PM (#612766 - in reply to #612762)
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No more brake adjustments, no more random lock-ups either. Had this same setup on my 1960 sedan and it worked beautifully.

Also in those pictures you can see my differential mounted parking disc brake. I sill need to mount the caliper mechanism and connect the cable to the original park brake pedal. On the long list of needs yet to take care of, but will be done after the car is on the road.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-06-17 12:22 AM (#612858 - in reply to #612766)
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Disc brakes are done, system is bled and the car is mobile once again.

Then I moved on to roof trim. Since I was missing roof trim on the passenger side, I finally installed my grab handle and NOS roof trim on that side of the car. I had 3 missing clips on the roof, but I was able to re-use the three where the studs for the grab handle went through the body. Cleaned and sealed each hole and clip body putty. This was mostly about sealing up the roof, I have an appointment to have the exhaust done on July 9th and I'm going rain or shine.

I don't have the correct roof trim for the driver side, but I think I'll just cut down the full length piece that's on there now after I get the driver side grab handle on.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-06-17 12:37 PM (#612872 - in reply to #612858)
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jboymechanic - 2021-06-16 9:22 PM

Disc brakes are done, system is bled and the car is mobile once again.

Then I moved on to roof trim. Since I was missing roof trim on the passenger side, I finally installed my grab handle and NOS roof trim on that side of the car. I had 3 missing clips on the roof, but I was able to re-use the three where the studs for the grab handle went through the body. Cleaned and sealed each hole and clip body putty. This was mostly about sealing up the roof, I have an appointment to have the exhaust done on July 9th and I'm going rain or shine.

I don't have the correct roof trim for the driver side, but I think I'll just cut down the full length piece that's on there now after I get the driver side grab handle on.


I'm going to send you a message about your roof trim.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-06-22 12:06 AM (#612972 - in reply to #612872)
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A special thank you to Nick Taylor (NicksGarage) for hooking me up with a guy 5 minutes from work that had the original roof trim I needed to go along with my grab handles. On to the next item on the list.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-06-22 12:33 PM (#612983 - in reply to #612972)
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jboymechanic - 2021-06-21 9:06 PM

A special thank you to Nick Taylor (NicksGarage) for hooking me up with a guy 5 minutes from work that had the original roof trim I needed to go along with my grab handles. On to the next item on the list.


Glad it worked out! Now get that exhaust installed so you can drive that wagon.
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AceS
Posted 2021-06-24 12:37 AM (#613040 - in reply to #612983)
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Love those grab handles!

Will your girlfriend be doing some tailgate stunt poses as you cruise down the road? Sadly, my 60 has none so no stunts outta my gal
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-07-13 12:08 AM (#613459 - in reply to #592117)
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I don't think my wife will be hanging out of the back any time soon. However, the exhaust is in and hope to go for my first real drive tomorrow.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-07-13 5:18 PM (#613479 - in reply to #592117)
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Going to call this one another success. Took it out for a 15 mile drive, everything seems ok. Steering is aligned pretty well, rides very nice, exhaust is great, trans shifts well, brakes are good, it just cruises great over all. Very happy to have another one back on the road.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-07-15 10:51 AM (#613527 - in reply to #592117)
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Two first drives in one week!
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-07-15 12:02 PM (#613532 - in reply to #613527)
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Yes sir! What an awesome week it was. I drove the wagon to work yesterday, just over a 50 mile round trip. It was reliable, but I don't have any power when I mash the pedal to the floor. Or even in part throttle. First thing I'm going to do is install a fuel pressure regulator and gauge so make sure my fuel supply is steady. Then, if the fuel supply is good and the problem persists I'll see if I can narrow down the issue. Might install a A/F ratio meter so I can better tune.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-07-15 2:41 PM (#613541 - in reply to #592117)
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What carb are you running? Is your vacuum advance working on the distributor?
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Posted 2021-07-15 7:10 PM (#613543 - in reply to #592117)
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If the timing is too retarded it won't have much power above idle.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-07-18 4:47 PM (#613585 - in reply to #592117)
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Ok, I now have a fuel pressure regulator and gauge, I’m set at 5 psi and it holds steady. I’m running an Edelbrock Performer 500 CFM on a factory 4 barrel intake with a half inch aluminum spacer. The car actually has some power now and I can actually hear the carb howl at WOT. I’m still not 100% dialed in, but it’s significantly better. I need to get my timing light back from my dad. Neither of us remember what the base timing is, but it hasn’t been adjusted since the motor went into the car. We did confirm the vacuum advance works when running on the test stand.
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Posted 2021-07-23 9:39 AM (#613715 - in reply to #592117)
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You better stick to Grabbing the handle. We know your not one of those that grabs the ...... That sure is a nice '61 Windshield. lol
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-07-28 11:46 PM (#613867 - in reply to #592117)
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Finally had a chance at another test drive tonight. Runs great before it warms up, the generic Cold to Hot factory temp gauge isn't very useful, but it gets up to half way to even about 5/8 across the range when warmed up. My old 1960 sedan settled in at about 3/8 of the gauge. I'm running a 160 F thermostat, as I was in the other 1960 I had. Car sometimes dies at idle when hot and is hard to restart. Haven't had a chance to trouble shoot, I had been chasing a fuel leak that I hoped would resolve this issue, but it hasn't.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-08-02 11:15 AM (#613956 - in reply to #592117)
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I didn't have my timing light back yet, so I did my best to re-time the car with a vacuum gauge. My starting point was 21" Hg, so I advanced the distributor at idle until the gauge peaked at 24.5" Hg. Then I backed it off until it was at about 23.5" Hg. Shut the car off and restarted, could hear that the ignition was too advanced so I bumped it back a little more. Still had 23" Hg at idle, no more fighting to start after that. Drove another 75 miles so far, gauge hasn't gone over 3/8 of the gauge and the engine is more responsive and pulls stronger too. Getting there.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-08-27 11:45 AM (#614542 - in reply to #613956)
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So I've driven this car about 250 miles so far this summer, the engine and transmission seem solid and I'm not having any more issues with higher than expected engine temperatures. However, the front end has developed some fairly loud clunks, need to look into that. Keep in mind everything seemed solid when I put the new disc brakes and center link in this car, but some of the original bushings and joints might have loosened up now that there is an engine and trans in the car and I've been driving it. I really need to fix the headlights and the front driver turn signal. A working horn would be nice to have too.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-08-27 1:22 PM (#614544 - in reply to #592117)
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Since I've had my '60 Chrysler wagon on my lift the past year and a half, it has been up and down many times. The bushings all looked good but now they're falling apart. After sitting for nearly 40 years, they have deteriorated and now can't handle the meager exercise they are getting now. I'd check your strut rod bushings to see if they have fallen out. That will cause a lot of clunking. Especially when changing direction.

You need a bumper sticker that says "HORN BROKEN, WATCH FOR FINGER"
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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-09-02 3:08 PM (#614689 - in reply to #614544)
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Turn signal and head light issues have been resolved, two bad ground wires were the issue (one to the turn signal housing and one from the driver low beam to body).
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Posted 2021-09-02 4:29 PM (#614694 - in reply to #614689)
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Jumping in a little late on this discussion.

Vacuum gauge is actually a great way to set timing. Your timing sounds way too advanced. Do you have vacuum advance disconnected and plugged ?

If your base reading is 21" hg, then you are way too advanced. What idle are you reading this at ? At slow idle in gear, say 500 rpm, you should be seeing around 17/18". At a higher rpm (in neutral obviously), maybe 20 max.

Also, you should be running a 180 thermostat. Not 160. If you think 160 will keep your engine cooler, then you misunderstand how cooling systems work.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2021-09-02 11:40 PM (#614704 - in reply to #614694)
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ronbo97 - 2021-09-02 3:29 PM

Jumping in a little late on this discussion.

Vacuum gauge is actually a great way to set timing. Your timing sounds way too advanced. Do you have vacuum advance disconnected and plugged ?

If your base reading is 21" hg, then you are way too advanced. What idle are you reading this at ? At slow idle in gear, say 500 rpm, you should be seeing around 17/18". At a higher rpm (in neutral obviously), maybe 20 max.

Also, you should be running a 180 thermostat. Not 160. If you think 160 will keep your engine cooler, then you misunderstand how cooling systems work.

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I did have the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged, when it is connected I'm using the ported vacuum on my carb. I'm idling at about 700 RPM in neutral (stick shift) and normally I would agree with you about being too advanced, but the car starts easy, doesn't surge and pulls hard now.

I'm curious about your thermostat comment, how does the thermostat not allow my engine to run cooler? Doesn't the thermostat essentially (and roughly) set the bottom end of the engine's operating temperature range? If ambient conditions are right and there is sufficient air flow through the rad, the engine should then run cooler.
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Posted 2021-09-03 12:21 AM (#614705 - in reply to #592117)
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Combustion engines run more efficiently at higher temperatures, in pure theory. But beyond about 200 F, the coolant, oils, rings and other materials start to have issues, limiting how hot you can really run it. 180 F is a good compromise under these considerations and that's the temperature that manufacturers design the engines to run at. Running cooler than that means that your motor isn't running as efficiently as it could, and a lower thermostat setting is sending the water out for cooling before it gets to a higher temperature. If your cooling system is inadequate to keep your engine cool enough so that the heat in is greater than heat out through the radiator, then your temperature will continue to rise above the thermostat setting until it ends up at it's equilibrium point, regardless of the thermostat setting. In this case, the only thing the cooler thermostat does is to send the hot water out to be cooled sooner, so that it can delay the problem a little while (maybe a minute or so?), but otherwise does nothing to help you. If the radiator doesn't have any problem keeping the motor at whatever temperature you set the thermostat to open, such as during the winter months, then your motor will be running unnecessarily cold and less efficient during those times.
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ronbo97
Posted 2021-09-03 10:57 AM (#614719 - in reply to #614704)
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jboymechanic - 2021-09-02 11:40 PM I did have the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged, when it is connected I'm using the ported vacuum on my carb. I'm idling at about 700 RPM in neutral (stick shift) and normally I would agree with you about being too advanced, but the car starts easy, doesn't surge and pulls hard now.

You risk detonation (pinging) with engine timing that is excessively advanced. Also starting problems. I would dial it back a bit. It will also start easy, won't surge and will pull just as hard.

Ron

BTW, great explanation, Nathan !

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Posted 2021-09-04 10:54 AM (#614755 - in reply to #614719)
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According to info published by Summit cyl wall wear is 3X higher with a 160 vs 180-195 thermostat. Sludge builds easier in a cooler engine, especially if still running the puke tube instead of PCV valve.
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