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Location: Muskego, WI | Saw this local add about a 318 Poly and TF trans and talked to the owner. He pulled these out of a driving '62 Plymouth Belvedere wagon he just bought and he is building a 426 for it. I was curious, this transmission will have the newer crank flange and use a flex plate, correct? But it will also still work with the push buttons in my 1960 Plymouth? Would this transmission have a park position? If so, how is it engaged? Owner said his '62 wagon has parking brake in the rear axle, I thought that didn't come until later?
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/pts/d/pewaukee-62-plymouth-318-poly...
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Well for sure the TF in question does NOT have the eBrake on the tailshaft so it has to be on the rear axle brake drums
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | That's the later TF 727. It always has a flex plate and needs the newer style crankshaft flange. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | Yes, the aluminum housing gives away that it is a 1962 or newer, so it will use a flex plate as well. Is this a '63 to '65 transmission? In 1966 I think the flange output was replaced by the slip yoke. If this was a '62, it would still have 5 positions (R N D 2 1) and the parking brake on the drum, right? Again, I'm looking for a trans to go into my 1960 wagon even if it's behind a newer engine, but only if I can still use my original push buttons and parking brake. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | There is a parking brake in addition to the "PARK" position on the trans in 1962. This was activated by a lever on the left side of the dash and is a separate system from the push buttons. I suppose you could run it with the park cable installed and left in the release position. however you will need to figure out an emergency brake something or other..... |
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Location: STL, MO | If this helps, the 62 727 with parking drum only came on the full size 62's, so no 62 Plymouths have them. |
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Location: So. Cal | The slip yoke started in 1965, so if you wanted that, you could use that one-year only trans with your push buttons. 1966 was the first year that wasn't cable shifted. The '62 big block trans has the park brake, but it doesn't have a park function! It's an oddball. '62 transmissions from B-body cars have the park function, but they don't have the park brake on them. The two options are mutually exclusive. '63-'65 BB transmissions had the park function, along with all A-body 904's, even in 1960. If you really want both, I recommend that you get a '63-'65 big block trans with the park function, and transfer the tail shaft from another trans onto it. You can even use a later tailshaft from an RV with the park brake, and swap all the later internals into it, but keep the old valve body with the button shifter. There is a guy that builds them that way for you if you would like to purchase one already done, the 727 Specialist. But if it were me, I would use the stock trans without the park brake on it, but with the park function, and swap in a later C-body rear end to hook up your e-brake to.
http://www.727specialist.com/
Edited by Powerflite 2020-01-18 5:44 PM
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Location: Muskego, WI | Thank you for this addition info, this is what I was looking for. I'm still considering buying this 318 poly and trans. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | The owner of this engine and trans lowered his price so I bought them after all. |
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Location: Ohio | Jon,
It’s pretty simple to properly ID the year of any mopar trans by checking the part number stamped on the pan rail.
If you provide the part number on the pan rail, I can track it down for you. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | Stamped on trans above pan: 2125122 0087008 |
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Location: So. Cal | You have the exact same transmission that I have in my '57 New Yorker. It is from a '62 318 from the 2125122, and was built on Sept 01, 1961 (I think). It was the 8th one built that day. |
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Location: Muskego, WI | I will most likely sell the trans as I just have too much stuff and I doubt I would go back to using a 3 speed auto. PM me if interested. |
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Location: NorCal | Powerflite - 2020-02-10 7:50 AM
was built on Sept 01, 1961 (I think).
FWIW, actually October 23, 1961. |
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Location: So. Cal | How do you figure that out? Does it skip weekends or Sundays? |
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Location: Muskego, WI | Nathan,
What engine is in your '57 New Yorker and dig the engine require an adapter? |
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Location: So. Cal | 392 hemi, and yes it requires an adapter because of the extended crankshaft. |
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Location: NorCal | Powerflite - 2020-02-10 10:05 AM
How do you figure that out? Does it skip weekends or Sundays?
The 10,000 day calendar started on July 29, 1961 and the subject date is 87 days later. I have an Excel file that decodes the dates.
The same decoder is here:
https://maxwedge.com/articles/10k.php
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Location: Muskego, WI | So does this trans have a park function built into it? If so, how is it controlled? I only see the threaded shift cable inlet? |
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Location: NorCal | In '62 the full-sized cars still had the parking brake on the tail and were all big blocks. Any 318 would not have had the parking brake but would have a mechanical park mechanism on the bottom of the tailhousing actuated by a second cable.
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Location: Muskego, WI | Ah, I thought the transmission looked odd near the back end of the pan. Thank you for the info. |
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Location: So. Cal | It's very annoying that most of these transmissions are missing all the cables. The cables for these things aren't cheap. Even the speedometer cable is quite expensive because of how it attaches inside the trans. |
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Location: Kalispell, MT USA | Maybe the Google album I made rebuilding my 64 TF will help.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/igRdXtnsE4WuMGMr9
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