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60 Imp
Posted 2020-01-10 6:16 AM (#592728)
Subject: 300 B Modern upgrades.


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Looks good!. be a fun driver, should have upgraded to a TQflite when it was built. Steve.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-300-Series-PowerFlite-Grand-T...



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GregCon
Posted 2020-01-10 7:40 AM (#592732 - in reply to #592728)
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My first thought was that guy is nuts to think he's gonna get $150K for that car. Then, I saw that he had upgraded it to 4 stroke spark ignition which makes it the Deal of the Century. If he had also used 3/4 cams and a racing shifter...the sky would be the limit!
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2020-01-10 8:09 AM (#592733 - in reply to #592728)
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i havne't laughed that hard in a while
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StillOutThere
Posted 2020-01-10 9:54 AM (#592738 - in reply to #592728)
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Must be the rare 300 BS model. LOL
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Paul Hettick
Posted 2020-01-10 10:12 AM (#592739 - in reply to #592728)
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And it has 4 barrels and RWD.
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frwl
Posted 2020-01-10 10:16 AM (#592740 - in reply to #592728)
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MODEL 44 = Letter Series 300B
PAINT 41 = Cloud White
TRIM 50 = Tan Cowhide Leather
SCHED 321 = approximately built on March 21, 1956
ITEM 1905 = fifth 300B built that day
A1 = Manual Antenna
D3 = Radio Music Master (MOPAR model 844) with Rear Seat Speaker
F4 = Heater
G1 = Solex Tinted Glass
S3 = Powerflite Push Button Transmission – The car originally LESS Power Steering
1825 = 825th 300B of 1102 (or an 1150) built…

Below original pictures of engine bay have dated April 2016…




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Powerflite
Posted 2020-01-10 10:47 AM (#592743 - in reply to #592728)
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I'm just really impressed by the power stearing. You don't see that feature very often anymore.
Even this is the wrong spelling for a steer, but that's what it made me think of.

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Paul Hettick
Posted 2020-01-10 12:04 PM (#592745 - in reply to #592728)
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What exactly is a Grand Touring?
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CaprockClassics
Posted 2020-01-10 1:39 PM (#592750 - in reply to #592728)
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I'm really surprised no one has commented on the optional quad bumperettes in the front, or the Bluetooth Heater hoses! Add in the dealer-installed rear Pioneer speakers and the Halo-Led Headlights and this car is perhaps the rarest factory-original 300B in existence!

~Peter
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-10 1:55 PM (#592751 - in reply to #592750)
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CaprockClassics - 2020-01-10 10:39 AM
I'm really surprised no one has commented on the optional quad bumperettes in the front, or the Bluetooth Heater hoses! Add in the dealer-installed rear Pioneer speakers and the Halo-Led Headlights and this car is perhaps the rarest factory-original 300B in existence!


I caught the LED headlights but missed the quad bumperettes:



Why would you do this:



When Igor (frwl) says that just a few years ago (2016) it was this:

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StillOutThere
Posted 2020-01-10 9:38 PM (#592767 - in reply to #592745)
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Paul Hettick - 2020-01-10 11:04 AM What exactly is a Grand Touring?

Well, its not any of the modifications you can list on this 300.

Primarily mechanical upgrades in chassis and drivetrain for international road race competition in a class appropriate to the car is grand touring or "gran turismo".

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CaprockClassics
Posted 2020-01-10 11:31 PM (#592770 - in reply to #592728)
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My guess as to why the car was resto-modded was the new owner wanting power brakes and other accessories, probably snowballed downhill from there. Of course, I wonder where all that original stuff went? I wouldn't mind picking up the old carbs and aircleaner!

~Peter
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1960fury
Posted 2020-01-11 7:17 AM (#592776 - in reply to #592728)
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I really like the early 300s but know nothing about them. I'm actually very surprised that these could be ordered without PBs. And I'm surprised that a classic, of that caliber, falls into the hand of a "resto"-modder.
That said, the mods are relatively conservative and could be reversed easily and a dual master cylinder isn't really a downgrade.

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Powerflite
Posted 2020-01-11 10:27 AM (#592777 - in reply to #592728)
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...except that obtaining the original air cleaner for the car is pretty tough, and expensive. I personally don't mind the aluminum intake and AFB's, but use small tops on them so you can keep that air cleaner intact. Without it, I would be embarrassed/disappointed to open the hood. That fuel line is an atrocity. That would be the first thing I changed if I owned it.

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Posted 2020-01-11 10:31 AM (#592778 - in reply to #592777)
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Powerflite - 2020-01-11 4:27 PM

...except that obtaining the original air cleaner for the car is pretty tough, and expensive. I personally don't mind the aluminum intake and AFB's, but use small tops on them so you can keep that air cleaner intact. Without it, I would be embarrassed/disappointed to open the hood. That fuel line is an atrocity. That would be the first thing I changed if I owned it.


Exactly my point!! The batwing air cleaners are rare and expencive.
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Posted 2020-01-11 10:38 AM (#592779 - in reply to #592728)
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I should point out that even the original looking engine has the wrong water pump, crossover and water neck on it. The 300B outlet points forward in the center, not to the right like the '57-'58 cars. He's got all 392 stuff on there instead. So even the original looking motor was probably a 392 and not the original 354. But change the outlet to the proper '56 version, and it would look much better.

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StillOutThere
Posted 2020-01-11 11:16 AM (#592781 - in reply to #592728)
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Some comments:

Car has the angle thermostat housing and water pump of a 392 because, as the specs say, it IS a 392.

Power brakes were still optional as late as 1957 in a Chrysler 300C. Salesman still had to check the option box for you to get them and not all did.

I can't see how the VIN tag is attached in the left door panel photo. Several 300s (multi-years) have been CREATED from lesser models. Not at all difficult to find a '56 Windsor and a
'55 Imperial front end. Nothing about Chrysler Historical DOCUMENTATION with this car, now, is there? And a Windsor would be more likely to have come without PS.

All that and no alternator replacing the generator? Or is that a PowerGen or GenerNator (two modern alternators built to look like old alternators for the hot rodders) but the seller did not know to list it?

REGARDLESS, ain't NOBODY reading the FL forums that is about to purchase this car near this price.

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frwl
Posted 2020-01-11 5:43 PM (#592799 - in reply to #592728)
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Just for correctness:

Year and Equipment Windsor Saratoga New Yorker 300 Letter Series

1955 - Manual Transmission Standard Not Available Not Available
1955 - Automatic Transmission Optional Standard Standard
1955 - Power Steering Optional Optional Optional
1955 - Power Brakes Optional Standard Standard

1956 - Manual Transmission Standard Not Available Optional
1956 - Automatic Transmission Optional Standard Standard
1956 - Power Steering Optional Optional Optional
1956 - Power Brakes Optional Standard Standard

1957 - Manual Transmission Standard Not Available Not Available Optional
1957 - Automatic Transmission Optional Standard Standard Standard
1957 - Power Steering Optional Standard Standard Optional
1957 - Power Brakes Optional Optional Optional Standard

1958 - Manual Transmission Standard Not Available Not Available Optional
1958 - Automatic Transmission Optional Standard Standard Standard
1958 - Power Steering Optional Standard Standard Standard
1958 - Power Brakes Optional Optional Optional Standard

1959 - Manual Transmission Standard Not Available Not Available Not Available
1959 - Automatic Transmission Optional Standard Standard Standard
1959 - Power Steering Optional Standard Standard Standard
1959 - Power Brakes Optional Standard Standard Standard


Resume / Differences:
So 1955-56 New Yorker and 300 has power brakes as standard and power steering as optional equipment.
1957 300C has repeated this «formula», but New Yorker (and debuted Saratoga) has not:
power steering is standard now and power brakes are optional in 1957 and next 1958 year.
In return, since 1958 and further, letter series cars has power steering and brakes as standard equipment, while New Yorker and Saratoga got these items since 1959…

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frwl
Posted 2020-01-11 5:49 PM (#592800 - in reply to #592728)
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Unfortunately, it didn't work out – everything in my chart merged and moved

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Posted 2020-01-11 6:37 PM (#592803 - in reply to #592728)
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Here it is in picture form. There is a way to do it in the text too, but you have to use html table format.




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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-11 7:25 PM (#592807 - in reply to #592750)
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CaprockClassics - 2020-01-10 10:39 AM

I'm really surprised no one has commented on the optional quad bumperettes in the front, or the Bluetooth Heater hoses!


LOL. Wow. I really missed the "Bluetooth" (as in magically through the air without connection) Heater hoses, in this case lack of hoses. Good one Peter!

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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-11 7:40 PM (#592809 - in reply to #592803)
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Did some digging to confirm the 300B PS/PB situation.

This is what I found: The 300B brochure clearly shows that PS and PB fit with the Bat-wing air cleaner. Furthermore, the 300B brochure shows that PB was standard with the auto transmission but *NOT* available with the manual transmission (you might have to update your table Igor). PS was optional with the automatic but not available with the manual trans.





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frwl
Posted 2020-01-12 9:58 AM (#592819 - in reply to #592728)
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Thanks Nathan (Powerflite) for your help with html table format

Sorry Dave, the manual transmission still optional equipment in 1956 for $70.00 (31 cars were equipped)
In 1955 manual transmission is not offered (as an air conditioning too), but in 1956 these options were available
You are right – PS and PB never available with manual transmission till 1960…
While French 4speed manual transmission Pont-A-Mousson was appeared – see 300F pictures below…





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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-12 12:00 PM (#592826 - in reply to #592819)
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frwl - 2020-01-12 6:58 AM
Sorry Dave, the manual transmission still optional equipment in 1956 for $70.00 (31 cars were equipped)
In 1955 manual transmission is not offered (as an air conditioning too), but in 1956 these options were available
You are right – PS and PB never available with manual transmission till 1960


Igor: I never said anything about manual transmission not being available. The point that I made (please re-read as necessary) was Power Brakes (PB) were standard equipment with the automatic transmission and Power Steering (PS) was an option with the automatic transmission. However, as soon as the manual transmission option was selected, PS or PB were no longer available.

Your point, with the photos of the red 300B, is there aren't any PS or PB because the car has a 3 spd manual transmission. I agree with that.

The 300F stuff is irrelevant to this 300B discussion.





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