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ABloch
Posted 2020-01-18 9:56 PM (#593169)
Subject: Classic car Licensing changes in Washington State proposed!



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Washingtonians be fore warned! Write your representatives and spread the word! Please!

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2373&Year=2019&Initiat...
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-01-18 10:01 PM (#593171 - in reply to #593169)
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http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2019-20/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bi...

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ABloch
Posted 2020-01-18 10:19 PM (#593173 - in reply to #593169)
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H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 increases fees for collector license plates by requiring renewal every five years, despite currently being valid for the life of the motor vehicle after paying a one-time fee.

H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 requires owners applying for collector vehicle registration to submit a completed certification form, which will be created by the Department of Licensing. The bills offer no details about the information collected on the certification form.

H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 raises the age of vehicles eligible for horseless carriage license plates to vehicles manufactured prior to 1916, removing the current rolling age requirement of 40 years old or older for these plates.

H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 limits the display of DMV-approved year of manufacture (YOM) plates on "collector" vehicles to 1988 and earlier model years, removing the current rolling age requirement of 30 years old or older for these plates.

H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 makes it more difficult to register legitimate collector vehicles and horseless carriages, which are already limited to club activities, exhibitions, auto shows and occasional pleasure driving.

H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156 ignores the fact that existing collector vehicles and horseless carriages in Washington constitute a small portion of the vehicle fleet, infrequently operated and are deserving of these accommodations.

Overview: Legislation (H.B. 2373/S.B. 6156) has been introduced in Washington to increase fees for “collector” vehicles and restrict eligibility of “horseless carriages.” Currently, a collector vehicle must be at least 30 years old, while a horseless carriage must be at least 40 years old. Vehicles registered as "collector" or "horseless carriage" may currently display year of manufacture (YOM) plates with DMV approval. The bills currently await consideration in the House and Senate Transportation Committees.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-19 2:01 PM (#593193 - in reply to #593169)
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When I bought my 300F out of Washington in 2016 the seller said it had the original plates. Someone else let me know that it had the wrong county plates on it and when I got the car and all the paperwork I found the YOM paperwork in there. I don't know why they always have to go after the old car people. Same here in California with emissions testing. We're such a small percentage and as mentioned little impact on the system. I already pay higher fees because of the value of my cars.

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57chizler
Posted 2020-01-19 4:01 PM (#593199 - in reply to #593169)
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That's why they call Washington "California North".
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ABloch
Posted 2020-01-19 5:12 PM (#593200 - in reply to #593169)
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We all know the saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The current system is alright but to go and revamp this is asinine.

VERY early in the political process right now. The bill was introduced but has not even been put on the schedule to be discussed. So, if you live in Washington or know someone who does, tell them to write their representative NOW and kill the bill before it goes any further.

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GregCon
Posted 2020-01-20 8:19 AM (#593219 - in reply to #593169)
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California North, lol.

The issue herein, most likely, relates to what we could call 'misuse' of the current policy. Here in Texas, I have antique plates on two of my cars, both 1968 vintage. No big deal. Like it or not, the cars look old. I guess they ARE old. But this is 2020, and there are plenty of jamokes driving around in 1987 Buicks and 1990 Nissans and 1995 Tauruses with the same plates. They hardly pass the eyeball test. They hardly pass the intent of the law.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-20 11:29 AM (#593222 - in reply to #593219)
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GregCon - 2020-01-20 5:19 AM

California North, lol.

The issue herein, most likely, relates to what we could call 'misuse' of the current policy. Here in Texas, I have antique plates on two of my cars, both 1968 vintage. No big deal. Like it or not, the cars look old. I guess they ARE old. But this is 2020, and there are plenty of jamokes driving around in 1987 Buicks and 1990 Nissans and 1995 Tauruses with the same plates. They hardly pass the eyeball test. They hardly pass the intent of the law.


California started issuing the black plates again as you can see to the left of this message. You can put them on anything. First one I saw was on a new Toyota Camry. They've been out long enough that some people are already claiming their older cars are "black plate California cars".

There weren't enough pre-orders to get the earlier yellow plates made, which would have been more appropriate for my '60s.

We do have a YOM plate program but it can be a pain to get them if your DMV office doesn't know what they're doing. Same problem as above with people claiming their cars are original "California cars" because of the plates but the title is branded as YOM. I guess having a "California car" means something in other states. The guy selling my '60 wagon in Indiana put an old black plate on it and the auction was touting that. It wasn't even a plate for a car, it was one for a truck and the car wasn't titled to it. People at the auction were impressed by it for some reason as it bolstered the seller's claim that it was in storage in California for 40 years. Of course once the auction was over and I got the title, it was an Indiana title from 1976 and the car had been there since at least 1973 according to the second owner.

Hopefully these changes in Washington won't hit you guys. You need to contact your reps and let them know of your displeasure.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2020-01-20 3:29 PM (#593232 - in reply to #593169)
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Looks like Colorado and California aren't the only ones.

http://www.kansascarshows.com/kansas-antique-tags.html?fbclid=IwAR3v99I4lqV8cwMfUocx7jKiWSgDTJeqaPMc-7dhycQH_UB9lZ9c2qf5_W4

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oldwood
Posted 2020-01-20 9:25 PM (#593248 - in reply to #593232)
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Arkansas Antique car plates are only issued to cars being 45 years old. It was 25 yrs old.
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LostDeere59
Posted 2020-01-21 11:48 AM (#593270 - in reply to #593169)
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Here in Pennsylvania, through both lack of enforcement and changes in the D.O.T. administration of the program, our specialized Antique and Classic vehicle registrations have been pretty much made a farce.

Both Antique and Classic tags are permanent - they carry a significantly higher fee when applied for, but do not require annual renewal. In addition Classic registered vehicle are emissions exempt, and Antique registered vehicles are both emissions and safety inspection exempt.

Use is supposed to be limited - Classics for to/from shows, club activities, and "occasional" pleasure use. Antiques for show and club events only.

When applying for either specialty registration photos were originally required. I can remember many Classic applications rejected for aftermarket wheels, or other condition issues.

In recent years the requirement for photos has been dropped - in other words there is absolutely no visual certification that the vehicle deserves to be recognized as Classic or Antique. Now the designation is simply by date of manufacturer OR discontinued model.

The end result? Well where I work there are several extensively modified Jeeps and Toyota trucks that are completely ignoring the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code in many ways, yet because they have Antique registrations and are therefor exempt from safety inspection get driven to and from work on a regular basis. I've seen plenty of sh**bag rats out there with antique tags - cars being driven every day with minimal specialty insurance coverage and obvious safety issues, yet none of the local or State Police seem to care.

All of this while the state continues to increase the cost of renewing my Safety Inspectors and Emission Inspectors Licenses, and I face constant scrutiny about issuing inspection stickers on late model cars - god forbid I transpose a digit in the VIN number, or miss a side marker light that's out . . .

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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-01-21 1:08 PM (#593276 - in reply to #593169)
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yeah people abuse the classic registration... I got a classic car registration for my 92 3000GT Mitsubishi... not an abuse but suprised 92's are now antiques.  Its got a ton of work in in, passes emissions without a cat even but i have one.

but you cant go through emissions without odb2 so they dont mind. but i see plenty of people running garbage cars on classic plates to avoid emissions in ohio.

they need to move the antique age to over 20 years...like 30-40 now but they havent moved it. they need to go back to pictures i guess.

I dont mind the 5 year registration... if it stops people abusing the "free lifettime registration" end around and drive a 1998 ford taurus that bellows fumes and they keep running forever.

 



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slimwhitman
Posted 2020-01-21 4:02 PM (#593287 - in reply to #593169)
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I saw this recently for antiques in Kansas:

The State of Kansas has changed the rules of Antique Tags and what constitutes an " Antique Vehicle". Below is a document of the rules for an Antique Tag and with these new rules 90% of the Tags placed are in violation.

• Vehicle has to be 35 years or older•
NOTE: Just because the vehicle “year” on the title or bill of sale indicates the model year is 35 years old or older does not in and of itself make the vehicle an antique. You must ask questions if the vehicle has been modified, newer motor, transmission, etc.
• An antique vehicle is any vehicle that is thirty-five (35) years old or older, propelled by a motor using petroleum fuel, steam or electricity or combination thereof. Owners of such vehicles may be issued a Kansas certificate of title with the words "Antique" on the face of the title. ?

The Vehicle Must Be Full Original or Complete Original As Possible?!

• Original Motor , Transmission, Body, Frame and Tire and Wheels.
• To qualify as an antique the vehicle must be as close to the original as possible, without any significant alternations to the major component parts (motor, transmission, frame, wheels AND tires or body). Replacement motors and/or major component parts1 must be of the same vintage2 as the model year of the antique vehicle.
• Modifying or installing a newer and/or different style of motor and/or transmission into a vehicle with a model year that is 35 years old or older would not constitute an antique vehicle. This includes, but is not limited to, mounting tires and wheels which are not the same size or the modern-day equivalent as those installed by the manufacturer for that model year vehicle.

•EXAMPLE: A major difference would be, but not be limited to, a 1951 model that was not manufactured with a V-8 motor but the same model manufactured in 1953 had V-8’s. The 1953 V-8 could not be installed in the 1951 and maintain antique status.

http://www.kansascarshows.com/kansas-antique-tags.html


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1960fury
Posted 2020-01-21 5:01 PM (#593291 - in reply to #593219)
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GregCon - 2020-01-20 8:19 AM

California North, lol.

The issue herein, most likely, relates to what we could call 'misuse' of the current policy. Here in Texas, I have antique plates on two of my cars, both 1968 vintage. No big deal. Like it or not, the cars look old. I guess they ARE old. But this is 2020, and there are plenty of jamokes driving around in 1987 Buicks and 1990 Nissans and 1995 Tauruses with the same plates. They hardly pass the eyeball test. They hardly pass the intent of the law.


I guess that is the problem. Same here in Germany. People are fed up with crappy new cars that need to be replaced after 5 years and/or require costly service they no longer can perform themselves.
Not even a simple battery change or headlight bulb replacement is possible in many new cars. So they drive 80s cars daily, with collector plates. Understandable, but IMO 80s+ cars will never be classics. Fortunately (or unfortunately) very few of these cars are left, yet they tightened the requirements for the collector plates.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2020-01-22 1:39 AM (#593309 - in reply to #593169)
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of course they can overdo it and make it stupid restrictive... ohio is insane about titles... that was due to dealers controlling our politicians...

Kansas looks stupid crazy but I like the 35 years.
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58 DESOTOS RULE
Posted 2020-01-23 8:23 PM (#593361 - in reply to #593309)
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mikes2nd - 2020-01-22 12:39 AM of course they can overdo it and make it stupid restrictive... ohio is insane about titles... that was due to dealers controlling our politicians... Kansas looks stupid crazy but I like the 35 years.

I don't know where you live in Ohio, but here in the southwestern portion of the state I have had no real problems getting titles and license tags for my old cars and trucks.I have a 1974 Dodge Coronet and a 1977 Dodge W200 4x4. The Dodge car has collector plates and I display a YOM plate as well. The truck runs current plates which I had no trouble getting. No current emssons check mandate in my part of the state either, although they used to require it years ago. Neither vehicle has a catalytic converter, but they have the appropriate emissons control devices that were required on the vehicles when new, and they still work.



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Dave L.
Posted 2020-01-23 9:14 PM (#593363 - in reply to #593361)
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Thanks for posting, ABloch. For the others, here in WA we have "Horseless Carriage" plates (boy, I rarely see these any more) and YOM plates when approved, and Collector plates. I'm not sure who sponsored this, but I don't think I'm against some of the proposed tweaking of the rules that have been in place a long time. (e.g. a "Horseless Carriage" plate for a car built in 1980.) But the Collector-Plate-for-life changing to registration every five-years would end that great deal.
(BTW, I think the J.P. Patches plate also made it to the Transportation Committee again.)

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2020-01-24 12:57 AM (#593368 - in reply to #593363)
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Given the axxclowns the dooches over on the west side elect into office, we can
expect ANY stupid idea to become law in this state now. Where is Vlad the Impaler
when we need him ?
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Posted 2020-01-27 5:49 PM (#593483 - in reply to #593169)
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I am in Perth Western Australia, so WA

Anyway, coincidentally, I (and a couple of others) have been fighting our state government to get "club rego" for Modified classic vehicles including hotrods.

We recently had a big win with the announcement that they are going to allow it. We already have a scheme for dead stock vehicles, but modified ones had been left out.

I wont go into the details exactly here as most of you wont really care, but if you want to have a look at what I have been doing, go look here https://www.facebook.com/pg/WAStreetMachines/posts/?ref=page_interna...

Thats my page I set up as a news and update page. If your going to try and fight whats happening, it might be a good place to get some ideas
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AceS
Posted 2020-02-12 1:02 AM (#594107 - in reply to #593169)
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Al, Thanks for posting!
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