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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-17 7:57 AM (#596987)
Subject: 59 Dodge CRL 383 correct Heater Hose Routing ?



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Hi folks,

I need some help again. Anybody has the correct heater hose routing / installation for my 59 Dodge CRL 383 cui.

As I worked on the heater valve, I thought about the right flow direction of the coolant fluid and the corresponding connection on the waterpump. As I could not find any picture in the manual somebody of you might help and show some pictures for correct routing !

what I found was just a picture of 62-63 Chryslers.

and see attached foto f my engine bay. i think the flow is in the wrong direction on my car?

Dani

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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-17 8:08 AM (#596988 - in reply to #596987)
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Yes, it is BUT as I posted before, there is an aftermarket heater valve that requires this routing. If installed the factory way the valve shuts down when the engine runs. Had it in my 61 Desoto.
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Posted 2020-04-17 9:52 AM (#596991 - in reply to #596987)
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Not sure if this 1960 Dodge Heater diagram helps or not. I could not find a 1959 Dodge FSM.





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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-17 10:52 AM (#596997 - in reply to #596987)
Subject: Re: 59 Dodge CRL 383 correct Heater Hose Routing ?



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Thanks so far for the reports. As I can see, the flow in my car goes from the back outlet of the wp to the heater core, valve and then back to the wp? As I am new with this car an engine, I don't know the flow direction of the waterpump outlets. So then I assume on Chrysler 60+ cars the heater valve tubes are 180 deg. switched.
I found this article on the web, which has two different valves shown , mine is like the one displayed on the right with inlet tube closer to the center of the car ( as I assume). I just wondered, why the valve is downstream of the heater core. IMO in warm wheather, as I intend to drive this car, it would be better to have the heater core downstream the valve, so it won't be heated all the time.

http://www.chrysler300club.com/how/hvalve/hv.html

Thanks for quick answer.




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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-17 5:28 PM (#597017 - in reply to #596987)
Subject: Re: 59 Dodge CRL 383 correct Heater Hose Routing ?



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Yes, you have one of those valves I mentioned! Always connect the heater hose from the WP (rearward tube that is closer to the distributor) to the heater valve pipe thats bend. Yours is connected incorrectly at the WP. So just switch the 2 heater hoses at the pump and it should be ok.

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Posted 2020-04-17 6:37 PM (#597021 - in reply to #596987)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-lvTqXQtJQ

it will close when the heater gets hot... its a form of automatic heat... "climate" control
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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-18 5:49 PM (#597053 - in reply to #597017)
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Ok Thanks 1960fury,

thats what i thought. So I will have to do two switchings . One on the WP and the other on the valve. As for now, the inlet tube of the valve is connected to the heater core. therafter I woolt have the setting as in my 1st picture, the Imperial 62/63 setup.

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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-19 6:29 AM (#597071 - in reply to #597053)
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Daniel 1959 - 2020-04-18 5:49 PM

Ok Thanks 1960fury,

thats what i thought. So I will have to do two switchings . One on the WP and the other on the valve. As for now, the inlet tube of the valve is connected to the heater core. therafter I woolt have the setting as in my 1st picture, the Imperial 62/63 setup.

Dani


Well, IF your heater valve is the one pictured above (myheatervalve59) then the inlet pipe is the outer one, unlike stock, as I posted before. Always connect the outlet water pump hose to the CURVED heater valve pipe. If you are going to use an OE valve, correct, than you will have to do 2 switchings, one at the pump and one at the heater valve.
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sermey
Posted 2020-04-19 7:10 AM (#597072 - in reply to #596987)
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Comparing the first picture taken of Dani's car in the garage, to my 59 Dodge CRL Convertible, and to my friends 1959 Dodge CRL Station Wagon, all three cars have the identical rooting . . .   - SERGE -



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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-19 7:34 AM (#597073 - in reply to #596988)
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1960fury - 2020-04-17 8:08 AM

Yes, it is BUT as I posted before, there is an aftermarket heater valve that requires this routing. If installed the factory way the valve shuts down when the engine runs. Had it in my 61 Desoto.


I posted that assuming the hoses on the WP are connected correctly at the water pump.
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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-19 3:17 PM (#597083 - in reply to #597073)
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Strangely your posted diagram from the service manual makes no sense to me. I can't figure out the flow as they labeled it "heater outlet" and "valve inlet" if so there is no flow !?!

Or is it meant, heater outlet tube from the WP ? So your flow is going trough the heater core first and then to the valve.

Dani


Edited by Daniel 1959 2020-04-19 3:49 PM




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sermey
Posted 2020-04-19 3:39 PM (#597085 - in reply to #597072)
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sermey - 2020-04-19 1:10 PM

Comparing the first picture taken of Dani's car in the garage, to my 59 Dodge CRL Convertible, and to my friends 1959 Dodge CRL Station Wagon, all three cars have the identical rooting . . .   - SERGE -

 

BTW: My car friend checked as well on his 1959 Plymouth Fury Convertible - total different configuration. Cannot refer to other makes!  - SERGE -

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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-19 3:58 PM (#597089 - in reply to #597085)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge CRL 383 correct Heater Hose Routing ?



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Ok Serge,

thanks for info. I will most probably reroute my tubes, as I like to connect the heater core to the outlet of the valve and not always have a heated up core in my car. I have no AC.
The less heat I have near the cold air duct manifold , the better.

Just can you agree, that the most forward connector on the WP is the return line/flow and the rearward, close to the distributor is the heater feeding line.

Dani



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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-19 6:01 PM (#597094 - in reply to #597083)
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Daniel 1959 - 2020-04-19 3:17 PM

Strangely your posted diagram from the service manual makes no sense to me.


Because it is wrong. OE heater valves have the inlet towards/closer to the driver, it is marked "inlet" on the heater pipe of the OE valve and it is always the curved one.

Do not always trust factory literature:



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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-20 9:57 AM (#597111 - in reply to #597094)
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haha... even they were humans that time...

Below, my Engine Bay with rerouted houses. Now It's flowing from the manifold through the valve and then to the heater core and back to the WP. So also trapped air will be flushed out of the heater with ease.

I think this is the better solution and its now the same as in the chart of the Imperial 62/63. So I can enjoy the DEF setting and have cold air blown through the defroster outlets or the lower vents and the heater core is blocked somewhat off from the coolant flow.

Furthermore, if I am not happy with this setup, I can later switch the houses on the heater valve, to block the valve even more with the manifold line pressure.

Thanks for helping me on this.

I will test it, once the weather really heats up .


Dani

Edited by Daniel 1959 2020-04-20 10:06 AM




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sermey
Posted 2020-04-20 3:20 PM (#597129 - in reply to #597111)
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Looks nice Dani, with the new hoses. The binder in white I would replace by a black one. Will look forward in summer if your car not go overheated.  And now what next? - SERGE -

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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-20 4:06 PM (#597132 - in reply to #597111)
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Daniel 1959 - 2020-04-20 9:57 AM

haha... even they were humans that time...

Below, my Engine Bay with rerouted houses. Now It's flowing from the manifold through the valve and then to the heater core and back to the WP. So also trapped air will be flushed out of the heater with ease.

I think this is the better solution and its now the same as in the chart of the Imperial 62/63. So I can enjoy the DEF setting and have cold air blown through the defroster outlets or the lower vents and the heater core is blocked somewhat off from the coolant flow.

Furthermore, if I am not happy with this setup, I can later switch the houses on the heater valve, to block the valve even more with the manifold line pressure.

Thanks for helping me on this.

I will test it, once the weather really heats up .


Dani


Dani, this is the stock routing, how they left the factory, but as I mentioned before, your heater valve is either aftermarket or rebuild and someone installed the pipes the wrong way, hence you will have to switch the hoses on the firewall now. My guess is, the water flow will close the heater valve with your current routing. I had this problem when I installed an aftermarked valve without paying attention to the different heater valve.
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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-20 5:59 PM (#597144 - in reply to #597132)
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I have the bent heater tube to the driver's side, think its right now. This is the inlet of the valve , as shown on first chart.

Dani
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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-20 6:02 PM (#597146 - in reply to #597129)
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sermey - 2020-04-20 3:20 PM

Looks nice Dani, with the new hoses. The binder in white I would replace by a black one. Will look forward in summer if your car not go overheated.  And now what next? - SERGE -




Thanks Serge, this are still the old hoses, but twisted the way, so that the orange stripe is on the downward side. The binder will come off as I have a black one with me on next visit
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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-21 5:49 AM (#597173 - in reply to #597144)
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Daniel 1959 - 2020-04-20 5:59 PM

I have the bent heater tube to the driver's side, think its right now. This is the inlet of the valve , as shown on first chart.

Dani


OK, but then your picture "myheatervalve59" does not show your heater valve, or you installed another one The control cable bracket is on the side of the straight pipe in your picture and the control cable bracket points always to the driver side, of course.



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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-21 6:11 PM (#597196 - in reply to #597173)
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Daniel 1959 - 2020-04-20 5:59 PM

I have the bent heater tube to the driver's side, think its right now. This is the inlet of the valve , as shown on first chart.

Dani


OK, but then your picture "myheatervalve59" does not show your heater valve, or you installed another one The control cable bracket is on the side of the straight pipe in your picture and the control cable bracket points always to the driver side, of course.



"of course" is maybe nothing in old restored cars, that's why I came up with my question in first place !

yes, this is my heater valve. below a picture of it , now installed , viewed from the bottom. My bowdon cable points outward towards the passanger side first, and then takes a curve under the dash. My curved heater inlet tube is definitely pointing to the driver side. So I assume, now I have the correct hose setup as it should be.


Dani

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1960fury
Posted 2020-04-21 7:14 PM (#597199 - in reply to #597196)
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Ok, never saw that before.
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sermey
Posted 2020-04-22 4:18 AM (#597206 - in reply to #597199)
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1960fury - 2020-04-22 1:14 AM Ok, never saw that before.

We have to learn all the life. This should never end till end of life!  - SERGE -  

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Posted 2020-04-22 8:21 AM (#597213 - in reply to #596987)
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On unibody cars the cable wouldn't be long enough. My question, is this the regular routing on 57-59s, or just the 59 Dodges? This would explain the valves with the turned around pipes.
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Daniel 1959
Posted 2020-04-22 10:21 AM (#597216 - in reply to #597213)
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Don't know, but to me it looks very logic and sound, so the bowdon cable can be changed without removing the heater manifold or heater valve, also the lenght of my cable seems exactly correct and stock IMHO. I don't know other FL cars than mine, as I got it "brand new" in my inventory...collection !

Dani
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Posted 2020-04-22 1:59 PM (#597223 - in reply to #596987)
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If I recall correctly, the Ranco valves for Volvo Amazon is "reversed" when one mounts them in a FL car.

I found the photo of a Volvo Amazon Ranco valve in a 61 New Yorker. If that valve had been mounted with some spacers it would look more ok.

The reason for the Amazon valves is availability and price…….



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