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56D500boy
Posted 2020-04-23 2:14 PM (#597258)
Subject: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8



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After returning from a very pleasant stay in Southern California Feb.24 to March 13 (just before the Governor declared "Shelter in Place" (or whatever)), my wife and I had to go into 2 weeks of self-isolation. That wasn't necessarily a bad thing because I always have lots of projects that need doing. One of these was to finally install the spin-on oil filter adapter that I had purchased like 2 years ago from Hot Heads (sometimes called "Hot Hemi Heads"). I will use HH as the abbreviation.

The installation was not difficult but there were some minor issues that needed resolving along the way so I thought that I should write the process up in case someone would like some hints in the future.

The first "issue" was the logistic of knowing that in order to do this, the oil is likely need draining and once drained, if there was an issue along the way, i.e. can't get the old filter stuff off or the new filter stuff on, the car might have to be towed/flat-bedded to a shop. That was not the case but it was likely the reason that I never started this project before. So once I finally decided to do it, it was game on, hell or high water.

This might be easier done if you had a hoist or some kind of lift. I don't either (yet) so I had to remove the right front wheel and get the right side high enough to get jack-stands under the right side of the frame. That allowed some pretty awkward access to the OE filter components while sitting on the floor (on foam pad) with the area illuminated with an large LED trouble light and peering through a gap in the fender line rain shield into the engine bay (felt a bit like laproscopic surgery).

The first thing was to drain the oil from the oil pan (I was going to change the oil anyway). I had warmed the engine up a bit so the oil flowed better but not enough so I was going to get burned or anything.

The second thing was remove the filter canister and housing. The nut on the end of the housing is 5/8". I honestly don't remember if I loosened the canister from above before I jacked the car up or after but I did something and spun the filter housing off. This necessitated trying to catch the oil that was in the housing. I got most of it but some did get on the exhaust down pipe (and eventually wiped off with solvent before starting the engine after the oil change). This stuff:



With the canister off, the next thing was to remove the filter base. Well actually, I didn't figure that one out right away. I first tried to remove the canister from the engine bay and found that I could neither go up with it or down with it. That prompted me to post a question to the forum about why I couldn't get the canister out. I figured it out before I got the answer - I needed to remove the OE filter base first. Once that was out (four 9/16" head bolts), the canister could be removed easily.

This thread: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73507&...

Not all of the OE filter base gasket came off the block so I had to spend some time scraping that off so the HH adapter gasket would fit cleanly to the block. No biggy. Just a bit time consuming.

With the OE filter base gone and the old gasket remnants removed, I trial fitted the HH adapter with 3 of the four Allen head bolts that HH supplied. At that point I discovered that one of the bell housing/adapter bolts interfered with the HH adapter. I was going to remove the bolt and grind off the end of it outside the car but I could not get enough purchase on the bolt while sitting on the floor to get it loose. So I removed the HH adapter and ground the bolt end and the HH adapter with my Dremel and a grinding disc until there was enough clearance to make me confident that there wasn't going to be an issue with the full installation.

I then installed the HH adapter with the gasket and four Allen head bolts that HH supplied. Getting the bolts tight was tricky because of the angles and poor access resulting from the lack of hoist. I think at one point I was lying on the floor trying to get the bolts tight enough. I also used a 12" socket extension and a swivel at one point. Eventually I won.

After "rinsing" the "old" oil (<2000 miles on it) out with some solvent and new clean but not wanted oil (5W30 that someone gave me), I reinstalled the drain plug and spun the 4" tall WIX 51085 filter onto the new HH base. I filled the crankcase with Lucas oil High Zinc "Classic and Hot Rod" oil (I think it took a full jug after the engine was started and the new filter filled under pressure).

Next oil change, I will install a 5" tall WIX 51515 filter and a new oil drain plug gasket (this one is leaking a bit despite being very tight).

Hope this helps somebody at least a bit.

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51coronet
Posted 2020-04-24 9:43 PM (#597312 - in reply to #597258)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8


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Yep the filter change on a hemi equiped vehicle is painful. I put remote adapters on the imperials I worked on and ran the lines to a spot easy to access with the filter
vertical to reduce spilled oil when spinning off.

One thing to note the way these cars were made. There is a ball valve inside the engine block that routes only a percentage of oil to the filter. There is a modern solution
to have 100% filtration with a little plunger type device. This is a job best left when you have the engine out and feel its a needed mod because it requires hammering
out the ball valve with the pan, pump, and rear main out of the way. Engines survived this long with partial filtration so its not a super important change.
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Posted 2020-04-29 1:20 PM (#597513 - in reply to #597312)
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51coronet - 2020-04-24 8:43 PM

Yep the filter change on a hemi equiped vehicle is painful. I put remote adapters on the imperials I worked on and ran the lines to a spot easy to access with the filter
vertical to reduce spilled oil when spinning off.

One thing to note the way these cars were made. There is a ball valve inside the engine block that routes only a percentage of oil to the filter. There is a modern solution
to have 100% filtration with a little plunger type device. This is a job best left when you have the engine out and feel its a needed mod because it requires hammering
out the ball valve with the pan, pump, and rear main out of the way. Engines survived this long with partial filtration so its not a super important change.
Some, but probably not much, oil gets around the anti-drain back ball and they have done that since leaving the factory.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-04-29 2:30 PM (#597518 - in reply to #597312)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8



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51coronet - 2020-04-24 6:43 PM One thing to note the way these cars were made. There is a ball valve inside the engine block that routes only a percentage of oil to the filter. There is a modern solution
to have 100% filtration with a little plunger type device. This is a job best left when you have the engine out and feel its a needed mod because it requires hammering
out the ball valve with the pan, pump, and rear main out of the way. Engines survived this long with partial filtration so its not a super important change.


Thanks. I was fully aware of the ball check valve and how it only permitted partial flow to the oil filter, based on answers to some of my previous filter-related questions. *HOWEVER*, I am also fully aware that to get to the check valve, you have to remove the rear main cap. *AND* to remove the rear main cap you have to drop the oil pan (obviously). *BUT* to drop the oil pan in a 1956 Dodge V8, you can not do that with the engine mounted in the chassis.

So no go for me. Partial flow will have to suffice until such time that I have rebuild the engine and/or replace the rear main seal.

I did contact Bob Walker at Hot (Hemi) Heads and asked about the check ball and he said "Dave: There were two systems. The earliest had the cage and ball (backflow valve) but were already full flow. At some time Chrysler went to a combination of the backflow valve and a bypass valve. You can run the oil filter mount on either system. You'll just have a backflow in the block and the filter. Have fun, Bob"

Some diagrams regarding the ball check valve:



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samstrader
Posted 2020-05-05 12:48 PM (#597821 - in reply to #597258)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8


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I put one of these HH adapters on my 1955 259 Plymouth. My car has an early dodge engine. The car was originally purchased in February 1955.

My car only had the check valve (non return valve) and it did not have the pressure relieving spring set up to bypass the filter in case it plugged up. There was a solid block (or the hole was never drilled all the way through). So I don't have any issue with bypassing the filter with the HH adapter. Some of the earlier hemi blocks didn't even have the non return valve I have heard. I don't know if this is right but I am certain my car did not have a filter over pressure bypass set up.

The original filter was really a bad design. My original filter block that bolted to the engine block, had a slot cut in the block from the filter inlet to the filter outlet. This slot constantly bypassed some of the oil around the filter. The slot was about 1/8 inch wide and 1/8 inch deep. I think in the early days, they put this slot in instead of putting the spring loaded bypass valve in order to somewhat protect against over pressuring the filter in the event the filter plugged off.

I don't think you will have any filter bypass the way you have it installed. The spring loaded bypass that is left in your car will be closed unless there is high differential pressure on the filter and it may be that the filter bypass on the spin on filter will open before this original spring loaded filter. Furthermore, it is better to leave this spring loaded bypass installed than it is to pull it and not put the correct plug in that prevents oil from bypassing the filter. Putting that plug in would be a little bit challenging I think.

You also have two anti drain valves installed now which is good. Less of a chance to drain the filter and have a dry start.

I installed the HH adapter when the engine was on the engine stand and I could really check out the oil passages real good so I'm sure how my car is set up. The HH adapter for me is massively better than the original filter. I use a PH8A filter because it is big and I think it may have more filter surface area.

All this is just to say that I think your installation is very good and there is no need to remove the original stuff and install a plug. You are at least 99% good in my opinion.

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samstrader
Posted 2020-05-05 12:55 PM (#597822 - in reply to #597258)
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I also wanted to say that I don't think that ball in the ball check restricts any oil flow when the unit is installed correctly. There is some room in the cage that allows the ball to go higher than the hole going to the filter. So when oil is flowing, the ball is lifted up and out of the way.

I have studied this a lot because the guy that built my engine put this cage in upside down and lost the ball. The gage being in upside down covers about 75% of the hole going to the filter so I had low oil flow and wiped my main bearings. I don't know much about other cars but I really studied this a lot on my car. When the cage and ball is installed right, which I'm sure yours is, there is almost zero flow restriction related to the ball being in there so I don't think you have any thing at all to worry about on oil flow. I think you are 100% good. The spin on filter is a massive upgrade.
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Posted 2020-05-05 12:58 PM (#597823 - in reply to #597258)
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Hello 56D500.... If you need drain plug gaskets, let me know. I ordered one a few years back and got a whole box delivered. I have about 50 and can never use all of them.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-05-05 1:41 PM (#597824 - in reply to #597823)
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Sam: When you get your new old stock 259 dual point set in the mail, use my return address and (please) pop a few drain plug gaskets in an envelope and mail them to me.

Thanks

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Posted 2020-05-05 1:43 PM (#597825 - in reply to #597823)
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Sam: When you get your new old stock 259 dual point set in the mail, use my return address and (please) pop a few drain plug gaskets in an envelope and mail them to me.

Thanks

Sorry to hear about your engine rebuilder and he/she screwing up on the ball check valve.

And thanks for the thoughts on the ball check valve and flow restriction, etc. I'm not worried. Next filter will either be a WIX 51515 or the Mopar-branded equivalent.

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Posted 2020-05-05 4:52 PM (#597831 - in reply to #597825)
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The largest filter we stock is 3/4 qt 5281090BB (BB for bulk pack filters.) MSRP $11.20 USD.
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Posted 2020-05-05 6:05 PM (#597832 - in reply to #597831)
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The largest filter we stock is 3/4 qt 5281090BB (BB for bulk pack filters.) MSRP $11.20 USD.


Seems small at only about 4" tall, similar to the WIX 51085 that I am running.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mop-05281090bb

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Posted 2020-05-05 6:07 PM (#597833 - in reply to #597832)
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Yes, the NAPA 1085 (51085 Wix) is the direct cross reference.
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Posted 2020-05-05 6:08 PM (#597834 - in reply to #597832)
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Yes, the NAPA 1085 (51085 Wix) is the direct cross reference.
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Posted 2020-05-06 3:14 AM (#597852 - in reply to #597258)
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I'm using the Fram PH8A, not the cheap version but the full synthetic version that filters out 99.9 percent of particulates. It's a lot heaver and had a better non return valve than the cheap Fram's. I'm not a real big fan of Fram but this high end filter is pretty good. I researched it a lot and watched the videos where the guys cut the filters up. I think it is a pretty good filter. It is a heck of a lot better than the original one I had.

Anyone want a C134PL cartridge for the original filter. I have one I will definitely never use. It's free.

I think in 1955 the industry was trying to decide if they were really going to use oil filters or not.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-05-06 9:55 AM (#597856 - in reply to #597852)
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I'm using the Fram PH8A, not the cheap version but the full synthetic version that filters out 99.9 percent of particulates.


I did not realize that Fram made different grades of filter but apparently they all do.

The PH8A crosses to the 5" tall WIX 51515 series

https://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Exactmatch.aspx?PartNo=ph8a



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Posted 2020-06-12 4:40 PM (#599582 - in reply to #597856)
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Someone (samdjr74) asked me what I had used for torque on the cap screws and whether I had used Loctite (etc). I had to think about that and my answer was:

" To be honest, I never even gave torque setting a thought. The way I installed the adapter, from the side with the passenger side front wheel off and the car slightly jacked up, there was NO WAY to get a torque wrench involved. I just tightened the stainless steel Allen-head cap screws as tight as I could with the purchase that I had sitting or lying on the the floor with a 3/8" drive rachet and Allen-head socket.

I haven't noticed any leakage. I will, however, make sure that the four cap screws are still tight the next and every oil change (or if I find a leak).

You might want to contact Hot Heads to get their answer.

http://www.hothemiheads.com/ "

Now I have to check for leaks

There are none.




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Posted 2020-06-12 8:51 PM (#599590 - in reply to #599582)
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I made my own adapters for my Desotos from the original canister mount adapter. I removed the center post that indexed the filter,
drilled the hole to 11/16" down to the original canister stud threads, and tapped the new hole to 3/4" -16. Using the plate and filter
stud from a '95 Dodge pickup v8, I have a spin on adapter that clears everything, even with the tall PH8A style filters. The block
adapters are the same from 55 through 57 on the Desoto, Dodge, and Plymouth v8's and in 58 for the Chrysler. By using a metric
shock absorber bushing in the new hole to index the canister filter, I can convert it back to the original filter design if I want to go back
original.







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56D500boy
Posted 2020-06-12 9:59 PM (#599594 - in reply to #599590)
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Posted 2020-06-14 9:19 AM (#599650 - in reply to #597258)
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This is a great post, thanks 56D500boy !! I decided that this was going to be my next upgrade / project on the Fury. After struggling with a couple of oil changes, I figured I'd had enough of oil running down my arm and making a mess on the floor( no matter how careful I was). I've been reading past posts on this subject but have been reluctant to go ahead with it. After reading this post, I feel confident that I can perform the task with the desired result. I do have a couple questions though. Most of the conversions have been done on 50's hemi engines. And much has been written regarding the check / ball valve in those motors.
Does a 1961 Poly 318 have this same valve setup ? Is it something I need to be overly concerned with ? Can the adapter be used on a 61 Poly?
Thanks for all the help and advice. Phil.
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Posted 2020-06-14 1:04 PM (#599656 - in reply to #597258)
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Hi Forgotten 61. I don't know the answers about your engines oil flow set up but the folks at Hot Heads know a lot and I think if you call them, you will get a very good answer to your questions. They helped me a lot. The new spin on filters are massively better than the original canister type filters. I used 30 foot pounds of torque on my 1955 when I did the conversion. They are 3/8 inch bolts.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-06-14 3:16 PM (#599659 - in reply to #599650)
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Forgotten_61: I can't help you with a 61 Poly but I can comment on the ball check valve issue in general. Based on the comments from several folks in the thread above, and from an answer from Hot Heads, yes, it would be better to remove the ball valve and have full flow but in the meantime, it is just fine for most (read: non-racing) requirements. If/When my engine ever comes out (or up enough) to remove the oil pan, I will remove it and get full flow (and change the rear seal at the same time (chicken/egg)). For now, I will just change the oil more often and use a WIX 51515 filter.

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Posted 2020-06-15 1:32 PM (#599703 - in reply to #597258)
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this is DEFINITELY NOT a race motor. the motor is original to the car and I'd like to keep it as long as I can. Only 68,400 miles ! That's one of the reasons I've been hesitant to do this upgrade, but I've just had enough of the hassle of the stock canister. I trust you guys on this forum when it comes to FL knowledge so as long as we're all agreed that leaving the ball valve in place isn't an issue and won't damage the engine then I'm going to go ahead with the conversion.
One final question. Will the conversion, without check valve removal affect oil pressure?
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Posted 2020-06-15 3:12 PM (#599708 - in reply to #599703)
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Forgotten 61 - 2020-06-15 10:32 AM One final question. Will the conversion, without check valve removal affect oil pressure?


I can't speak for others but in my case there was zero change in oil pressure, as measured by the dash gauge in my 56 Dodge V8.

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Posted 2020-06-15 5:25 PM (#599714 - in reply to #599708)
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Leaving the ball in will not affect the oil pressure unless the ball restricts the flow of oil and I don't think it will. I just posted this for someone else and it shows how this system works. I became knowledgeable on this because my mechanic installed my ball check valve cage upside down. You can see how this will kill the oil pressure. But if the cage is installed correctly, the ball goes up high and against the spring loaded filter bypass valve. You are supposed to replace the ball check valve with an adapter that is closed on the top to totally prevent the possibility of oil bypassing the filter and that requires that you pull the rear main seal. But installing the HH filter adapter without pulling the check valve is at least 99 percent as good because the spring loaded filter bypass valve will always be closed unless the filter plugs up AND unless the spin on filters bypass valve opens at a higher pressure than the originally installed spring loaded filter bypass valve. Either way, you would want to bypass the filter if it plugs up this much. So just don't fail to change your filter.

This drawing was for something else so ignore the parts that don't apply. I hope this helps instead of adding confusion. You can not go wrong converting to a spin on filter. They are massively better at cleaning your oil and the non return systems are better too.



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Forgotten 61
Posted 2020-06-16 2:10 PM (#599754 - in reply to #597258)
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WOW !! This is some great info. Thanks for posting this. Thanks to everyone for the knowledge and advice. Alas, after a call to Hot Heads and an informative conversation with Mr.Walker I was informed that the conversion used on the hemi engines will NOT work on the Poly motors so this upgrade has been but on hold until such time that the proper pieces and procedure can be obtained.
Thanks again to everyone.
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Posted 2020-06-16 2:37 PM (#599756 - in reply to #599754)
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Okay. You might want to go through this thread (link below). I helped Fabrice in France with a similar (or the same) problem and was able to buy him what he needed to convert to spin on. It might work for you.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34445&...





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Posted 2020-06-16 10:18 PM (#599765 - in reply to #597258)
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That looks like what I might be looking for. I have a call in to a friend of mine that knows a guy with a locked up 69 or 70 318. Told him what I was looking for and he said he'll get back to me.
Using this picture as reference, I'm assuming that the gaskets needed are for the machined groove on the outside diameter and the threaded adapter fitting. I'm sure this is going to be a stupid question, but does the smaller gasket go between the adapter plate and the block, or between the fitting and adapter plate before it's screwed in?
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samstrader
Posted 2020-06-17 4:29 PM (#599789 - in reply to #597258)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8


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Dave is the expert on this but I think you will need a gasket between the adapter and the block. I read the thread Dave referenced and at the end, the guy said his leaked like Niagara falls and I think that was because he didn't put a gasket. Would be a good idea to put RTV on both sides of this gasket also because it will not be removed again once installed. Just my opinion.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-06-17 4:57 PM (#599791 - in reply to #599789)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8



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samstrader - 2020-06-17 1:29 PM
Dave is the expert on this but I think you will need a gasket between the adapter and the block.


Thanks Sam but there is now way that I would claim to be an expert at anything these days. I did contribute to this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34445&...

And I might have come up with this gasket set reference (below), but several others were involved in helping Fabrice in France.

In this thread, NM_Desotos solution is a very good alternative (see above).





Edited by 56D500boy 2020-06-17 4:59 PM
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Posted 2023-07-04 1:16 PM (#630602 - in reply to #599791)
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Changed the oil yesterday while waiting for some paint on my "new" 56 Chrysler front anti-sway bar was drying during the installation process. Used filter pliers on the Wix 51085 to get it started off (finished by hand). Didn't get any oil down my arm but I did end up dropping the filter into the drain pan by mistake during the extraction process (exhaust down pipe position is difficult).

Thought I would be clever and partially fill the new longer (5" vs 4") Wix 51515 filter before I installed it. Bad mistake. Oil came out while I was maneuvering the filter into position. Lost my grip and dropped it. Fell out on to the floor, rolling away, barfing oil. Oil everywhere. During the excitement, I apparently knocked over the Lucas Hot Rod and Classic one 1 qt bottle (with no lid on - idiot) that I had opened for the partial fill. Didn't notice until I found the hair on the back of my head was wet (oil).

[insert tirade of loud expletive deleteds here]

[insert more expletive deleteds here after noticing the Lucas bottle on its side and my ball cap soaked in fresh oil).

After calming down, wiping things down and changing to some fresh non-oil-covered gloves, I eventually got the longer (and now mostly empty) 51515 on to the Hot Heads adapter. I couldn't really get a good grip on the filter from below and ended up doing the final tightening with the filter pliers.

As an added "bonus", when I removed the oil pan drain plug that I had only temporarily installed (finger tight) to stop the last drips from landing on me while I played with the filter (how ironic - I was concerned about a few drips - LOL), in order to install a new nylon drain plug gasket, a bunch of oil came spilling out - presumably oil from my partially-filled 51515. Mostly hit the drain pan - but more on the floor. By that time, I just laughed (at myself) and muttered something my mother would not have approved.

Put the new gasket on, started the plug by hand and tightened it with my very long and large swap meet 1 1/8" combination wrench (box end) - which I had used to remove the plug in the beginning of the oil change process.

When I was adding the new oil (Motul 20W50 high zinc for older cars), I noticed how close the closed end of the Wix 51515 comes to the exhaust manifold choke heat tube. Might be a future issue that will be solved with a Wix 51085 (4" tall) filter or changing to a Hot Heads vertical adapter (if there is room for the filter above the exhaust down pipe)



As I finished up, I sprayed the engine and down pipe by the filter with lots of brake cleaner. Wiped the excess off with paper towels. After starting the car and checking for oil pressure (lots) and leaks (none that I could see - it was getting late), I didn't see any smoke. Final clean-up and checks today.

The Wix 51515 and the exhaust heat tube on my 56 Dodge D500 hemi-head engine:



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JedRhule
Posted 2023-07-04 6:25 PM (#630607 - in reply to #597258)
Subject: Re: Some hints on installing a Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter on a 56 Dodge V8



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My wife used to close the kitchen window when I was working in the back-yard garage at our old NY home.
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-07-04 7:44 PM (#630611 - in reply to #630607)
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JedRhule - 2023-07-04 3:25 PM
My wife used to close the kitchen window when I was working in the back-yard garage at our old NY home.


I was surprised that my wife didn't come out to find out what the heck had happened.

And yes, this photo of the 56 Chrysler anti-sway bar installation shows the aftermath of the Exxon Valdez as it had sailed through:

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JedRhule
Posted 2023-07-04 8:29 PM (#630612 - in reply to #597258)
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Sorry to laugh, but we have all done the same thing, with exactly the same results. We should start an on line competition of the most epic oil spills. I was distracted once in the middle of an oil change and forgot to reinstall the drain plug. I refilled the engine with a 4 quart container and did not spill a drop on the valve cover. Stepped back and saw 4 quarts flowing down the driveway.
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