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Powerflite
Posted 2020-12-10 2:08 AM (#606565)
Subject: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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Was power brakes ever an option with a manual transmission? I've never seen one, but I would like to have one. Is it possible to do with a clutch pedal?
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Stroller
Posted 2020-12-10 11:45 AM (#606577 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans


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Little puzzled by your question regarding with a clutch pedal. My '60 Fury was born with an automatic and no power brakes. Seems Chrysler was strange with adding power brakes. My '56 Imperial has power via a busy generator running power steering and hydro boost for power brakes. My '60 will have as proper working mechanical clutch when I am ready but not sure yet if going power brakes. If I do I might go with a hydro boost unit. Simply because it can be mounted in any direction and does not take up precious space like a big vacuum booster does. Also so no added drag on engine I might use an electric pump to do it along with power steering.
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57chizler
Posted 2020-12-10 12:03 PM (#606582 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: RE: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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This clip from the parts book suggests that PB and manual trans were available together.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-12-10 12:14 PM (#606586 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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Thanks. Does anyone have a photo of a manual trans/power brake pedal setup?

Edited by Powerflite 2020-12-10 12:15 PM
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Posted 2020-12-10 5:51 PM (#606596 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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in 68 there was an older guy in my home town that bought A 68 IMPERIAL (NEW)-special order-with a 3 speed standard column shift---his car previous was a 52 chevrolet and told the dealer the only he would by a chrysler was if he could get it as a column shift and i remember him tellin me it was only 125$ extra -------------------------------------later
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Stroller
Posted 2020-12-11 11:38 AM (#606620 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans


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Questions sir. Do you have a car your wanting to convert from auto to manual? If so it kind of depends on how easy it is to get what you need unless you have or have access to a literal gold mine if unavailable goodies. My '60 Fury was born an automatic. I know this car very very well. I acquired it way back in '79. Basically I had been hunting for a complete clutch and brake pedal assembly since then. I frankenfurtered a pedal set up from a '62 valiant, it was all I could find back then. Problem was not enough travel for clutch pedal. No clutch adjuster at throw out bearing so I braised 2 washers to the top of a grade 8 bolt I had more threads cut down it. As a result T/O bearing rode on pressure plate till it went through it.
I got the replacement I been hunting and yep the clutch rod is longer. But wait that's not all. The rubber boot down around the steering column at the fire wall is different, now I need 1 of them. You can get aftermarket bolt on hydraulic set ups but I want OE. As to what it looks like it's 4 pedals inside and a single res bolted to the front of the booster, factory. I tell folks wanting to do a conversion, have the same exact year make and model sitting next to the one you want with what you want in and on it. I don't know how many '60 Fury's were made with manual shift. Either they did not make many or they all are stashed away or they all got crushed or rotted away from rust.
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-12-11 12:54 PM (#606623 - in reply to #606565)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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I have a '56 Fury with manual trans that I parted out because of how bad it was. I am considering converting one of the other Furys to manual trans with the parts from it, but I am not wanting to eliminate the power brakes that they use. But I have never seen a manual trans pedal assembly with power brakes so I am hoping to see what they look like to see what I might need to do to make it work.
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56D500boy
Posted 2020-12-11 3:17 PM (#606628 - in reply to #606623)
Subject: Re: Power Brakes with Manual Trans



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Powerflite - 2020-12-11 9:54 AM But I have never seen a manual trans pedal assembly with power brakes so I am hoping to see what they look like to see what I might need to do to make it work.


Might need your fabrication and/or welding skills to Frankenpedal a clutch pedal to a 56 Power brake pedal bracket, etc. (or vice versa):

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Stroller
Posted 2020-12-18 1:50 PM (#606864 - in reply to #606565)
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Sounds kind of goofy but from my '60 fury born w/auto and the complete brake and clutch pedal assembly I have now it looks like all plymouth did was attach the clutch pedal assembly to the brake pedal assembly, with some other components. Not a whole lot different than the frankenfurtered thing I made from a '62 Valiant for my '60. The booster is still going to mount where the master cylinder sits. The clutch bracket just has a couple other bolts that the firewall needs drilled out for. And again the clutch rod I got from the '62 Valiant is shorter than the assembly I have now.
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