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frwl
Posted 2021-02-11 11:05 AM (#608743 - in reply to #608351)
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The 24th position on the Detroit Hamtramck cowl tag translates POWER PLANT:

523 = Sales Code 373 = V8 361CID 4BBL 305HP (Dodge D500 – Standard on DeSoto Fireflite)
524 = Sales Code 374 = V8 361CID 2/4BBL 320HP (Dodge Super D500)
525 = Sales Code 375 = V8 361CID EFI 333HP

Correct me if I’m wrong

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RDP
Posted 2021-02-12 2:44 PM (#608788 - in reply to #608351)
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here are some examples and an attempt to understand the M code stamping system

first example: 57 Windsor
power steering - standard on New Yorker and Saratoga, optional on Windsor
power brakes - optional on all

the only one stamped is M5 = 1
We previously agreed that M5 = 1 is undercoating.
So it follows that the remaining IBM codes are not stamped on the tag ( accessories, power brakes, power steering, padded dash, mirror, solex).
Surprisingly, solex is not shown on the tag.




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RDP
Posted 2021-02-12 2:45 PM (#608789 - in reply to #608351)
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second example (double): 58 Dodges
power steering and power brakes - optional on all

"A" card - no digit in the undercoating IBM card- not ordered = M5 code blank
other options ordered: power seat, accessories groups, heater, dual exhaust and solex. Solex is showed in the tag SG=3 but in the IBM card is code 7?
Also we see M1-3, M2=3. Is the M2 code it power pack/dual exhaust?
If accessories and heater are not stamped only remains power seat.
M1=3 -> power seat?, probably not as we will see in the third example.

"B" card - the only one stamped is M5 = 1
We previously agreed that M5 = 1 is undercoating.
So it follows that the remaining IBM codes are not stamped on the tag (heater, airfoam seat, back-up lights, wipers).




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RDP
Posted 2021-02-12 2:47 PM (#608790 - in reply to #608351)
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third example (double): 59 Dodge and Plymouth
power steering and power brakes - optional on all

"A" card Dodge -
M2=3 match to the power pack, as in the previous example.
EW=4 electic window
M5=1 undercoating
other options ordered: power seat, swivel seat, accessories groups, headlamp dimmer, mirror, hood ornament, solex (not showed in the tag, again!)


"B" card Plymouth -
M2=1 ? power pack? but there is a number 2 on the IBM card
M4=9 toailet seat
M5=1 undercoating
power pack option not shown on the tag?
other options ordered: power steering, power brakes, swivel seat, accessories groups, heater, mirror, radio, padded dash, solex (not showed in the tag, again!)


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RDP
Posted 2021-02-12 2:48 PM (#608791 - in reply to #608351)
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What do you think? Is my explanation is correct? Any other ideas or conclusions?

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Posted 2021-02-13 7:39 AM (#608840 - in reply to #608351)
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Your train of thought is clear and I think correct (I think so too)
The example about tinted glass 3 (and on the IBM card 7) I think / guess:

1 = 465 = Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield Only
2 = 466 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows
3 = 467 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows and Shaded Windshield (YOUR EXAMPLE)

And further (if there were exist):

4 = 468 =
5 = 469 =

An interesting note about the code M2 = 1 of 1959 Plymouth: there really should be 2, but there is 1 (but as we know it's power steering, not a power package)

Maybe other forum members will add something…
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RDP
Posted 2021-02-13 9:06 AM (#608843 - in reply to #608351)
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3=7 . Maybe, so but why did they change the numbers?
If these are changed, how do you know others are correct. They can all be changed. It's weird.

M2. This is probably not PS. Do you remember Nathan's 57 New Yorker?
M1=4, M2=9. PS is standard in 57 NY. Nevertheless, the code M2 is stamped.

Nathan's 58 Windsor has no PS, but M2=2 but 57 Windsor has M2 blank, M1=4 and comes with optional power steering.

Others example: 58 Dodge M1=3, M2=3 (PS equipped)

M2 is something else, maybe not a power group, but no power steering.
We needed more IBM card-tag sets.
I am trying various variants, but I agree with what Nathan said: "They probably only cover the parts that directly affect the body configuration."
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frwl
Posted 2021-02-13 5:00 PM (#608874 - in reply to #608351)
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Yes, of course – I remember Nathan's ' 57 Chrysler – below is a photo of cowl tag and the car (pictures 1 & 2). This Chrysler has all the solex tinted glass, but the SG space is empty, so I assumed M2 = 9 is an option related to this. In 1957, and only on the Chrysler 2door Hardtops, a new option was introduced – the Large Shaded Rear Window. It could be installed provided that all other glass were tinted. I guessed that M2 = 9 is all solex tinted glass and a large shaded rear window.

For comparison, on pictures 3 and 4 (another Chrysler), column SG = 5, but column M2 is empty: that is, the car does not have a large shaded rear window, but has all the solex tinted glass…

I think that it is not necessary to try to equate all the M codes of different years and divisions together: each brand and each model year should be considered separately…




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RDP
Posted 2021-02-14 3:30 AM (#608888 - in reply to #608351)
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When we consider codes together, we have little data, when we consider codes separately, we have almost nothing.
It is obvious that the various years and the brands will be different. But it's still the same factory.
That's the only way to understand the M codes system. Otherwise it's just a guess.

When you look at my table you will see that in 1958-59 SG codes are hardly used (3 vs 42). Meanwhile, in 1957 it was 8 vs 19.
Either they changed something in the production process or considered it irrelevant and didn't stamp it on the tag.

Sometimes I get the feeling that they stamped it quite randomly.


Edit:

Another question.

If the tag has been attached to the body after welding, it does not make sense to marked large / small window. Because there is already a defined hole.

by the way, let's summarize the elements not marked on tags, but marked on cards
accessories, power brakes, power steering, padded dash, mirror, heater, airfoam seat, back-up lights, wipers

So, it can be concluded that the codes do not cover mechanical components, dash components , seats and electrical components except power windows.

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Posted 2021-02-26 12:47 PM (#609283 - in reply to #608351)
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'59 Fury 4d HT with under hood pad option and M5=1
501 undercoating with fiberglass pad under hood - $12,85
no radio, no PB, no PS, no padded dash, with alu sportone inserts, heater, undercoating and two tone paint




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Posted 2021-02-26 1:37 PM (#609290 - in reply to #608351)
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It seems like the padded dash is present...

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Posted 2021-02-26 1:58 PM (#609296 - in reply to #608351)
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Left front fender trim is from the Belvedere series!!!

Some guessing about Fury 4door Hardtop trim codes:

321 = Blue
322 = Green
323 = Tan ???
324 = Red and Gray
325 = Gold ???

I was wrong about padded dash: this one would be like ribbed on the picture below




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Posted 2021-02-26 2:06 PM (#609298 - in reply to #608351)
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Posted 2021-02-26 2:06 PM (#609299 - in reply to #608351)
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RDP
Posted 2021-03-03 3:41 PM (#609457 - in reply to #608351)
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The build sheet come from 56 Plymouth which I found in the net,
unfortunately there was no pic of the data plate.

Below is the reconstructed appearance of the data plate bottom line.



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Posted 2021-03-03 4:17 PM (#609460 - in reply to #608351)
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That's not what my Los Angeles build sheet looked like. Mine was a carbon copy type of sheet with blue lines on it. It was stuck to the undercoating on the floor, under the mat. Lots of numbers and info, but I couldn't read it and didn't have a digital camera to take an easy picture.
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Posted 2021-03-05 12:42 PM (#609521 - in reply to #608351)
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It might be like this:

SG = 1 = 361 = Solex Tinted Glass
M3 = 4 = 424 = Outer Sun Visor and Roof Drip Moulding
M5 = 6 = 446 = White Plastic Steering Wheel
M8 = 3 = 353 = Powerflite Transmission
M9 = 8 = Delivery Route

All other items did not stamp…




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RDP
Posted 2021-03-06 10:34 AM (#609544 - in reply to #609521)
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Powerflite - 2021-03-03 10:17 PM

That's not what my Los Angeles build sheet looked like. Mine was a carbon copy type of sheet with blue lines on it. It was stuck to the undercoating on the floor, under the mat. Lots of numbers and info, but I couldn't read it and didn't have a digital camera to take an easy picture.


Nathan, maybe you found the car production broadcast sheet. It contained more information.
They used several different papers in the production process; IBM card, car production broadcast, built sheet like the one above and maybe something else we don't know.
Plymouth built sheet is the same as mine. It is also carbon copy type. Perforated tape is missing on both sides, and there is only one card.
My sheet has four or five copies. It is very fragile and pages are hard to count. This is the one shown by Igor on the first page of this thread.





frwl - 2021-03-05 6:42 PM

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It might be like this:

SG = 1 = 361 = Solex Tinted Glass
M3 = 4 = 424 = Outer Sun Visor and Roof Drip Moulding
M5 = 6 = 446 = White Plastic Steering Wheel
M8 = 3 = 353 = Powerflite Transmission
M9 = 8 = Delivery Route

All other items did not stamp…



It is possible, I would like to see the original plate.

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Posted 2021-03-06 12:02 PM (#609548 - in reply to #609544)
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RDP - 2021-03-06 7:34 AM
Nathan, maybe you found the car production broadcast sheet. It contained more information.
They used several different papers in the production process; IBM card, car production broadcast, built sheet like the one above and maybe something else we don't know.
Plymouth built sheet is the same as mine. It is also carbon copy type. Perforated tape is missing on both sides, and there is only one card.
My sheet has four or five copies. It is very fragile and pages are hard to count. This is the one shown by Igor on the first page of this thread.


This one



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RDP
Posted 2021-03-16 12:53 PM (#609956 - in reply to #608351)
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1956 Windsor 4d sedan, PF, PS, PB, heater, w. washer





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frwl
Posted 2021-03-18 6:01 AM (#610068 - in reply to #608351)
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Robert - Thanks for posting!
Cannot see M9 space number...
I have guessed earlier about M8=8 (for the '56 Windsor Powerflite) and M8=4 (for '56 New Yorker)
It seems that is not showing availability of an Automatic Transmission - I was wrong...Now I have no idea what is that...
Your car have same options except M8=4 (and M9 which is unviewalable...)
But the windshield washer is present on your car too...
Can you find out more complete equipment listing of this car?

By the way: what is the upholstery code 090?
The '56 Windsor Sedans have not it...
Same question to the Paint Code 261... Is that CROCUS YELLOW? Is that Spring Special model? (but SCHED space shows 0627 - June 27, 1956...)

Or is it a trick question?




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Posted 2021-03-18 12:08 PM (#610083 - in reply to #610068)
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frwl - 2021-03-18 12:01 PM

Can you find out more complete equipment listing of this car?



It will be hard to do...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-Windsor-4-door-hard-top/31345...



frwl - 2021-03-18 12:01 PM

By the way: what is the upholstery code 090?
The '56 Windsor Sedans have not it...
Same question to the Paint Code 261... Is that CROCUS YELLOW? Is that Spring Special model? (but SCHED space shows 0627 - June 27, 1956...)




I recently bought an upholstery book, but it was lost in shipping
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Posted 2021-03-20 1:48 PM (#610171 - in reply to #608351)
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Hello Robert – a little idea for decoding M8=8:

Your cowl tag shows M8=8 and M9=8;
Your IBM card shows two EIGHTS: 428 and alone 8 in the end of the row on the back side;
The codes 42x on the IBM card describes the MOULDING PACKAGES;
Supposedly, that the last 8 is a delivery route, the code 428 might be say to us about of some exterior appointments…

The 1956 Chrysler Windsor has had the next EXTRA COST exterior appointments (according to the specifications):

Windshield Upper Molding
Drip Rail Roof Molding
Front Bumper Guards
Left Outside Rear View Mirror
Rear License Plate Frame
Exhaust Pipe Extension
Chrome Roof Plate (which located on the C-pillar – Sedan only, I think)

You said what your car HAS NOT equipped with first four positions of these:

Windshield Upper Molding
Drip Rail Roof Molding
Front Bumper Guards
Left Outside Rear View Mirror

If so, I just wonder: what could it be on the Crocus Yellow Sedan that cowl tag you posted above?
I mean your M8=8 code vs. M8=4 on that car?
It might be Sun Cap Visor (I see a strip of the dirt on the edge above the windshield – the moulding has been removing);
Or a Front Bumper Guards…

By the way according to the ’56 specifications they should be ordered altogether only: sun cap visor, drip rail moulding and C-pillar chrome plate)…
Other question remains: what the EXTRA exterior appointments has been installed on your car from ’56 specs?





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Posted 2021-03-20 1:58 PM (#610172 - in reply to #608351)
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Like thise one?
Oh, it is very expensive...




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Posted 2021-03-20 2:37 PM (#610175 - in reply to #610171)
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frwl - 2021-03-20 7:58 PM

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Like thise one?
Oh, it is very expensive...


yes


frwl - 2021-03-20 7:48 PM

Other question remains: what the EXTRA exterior appointments has been installed on your car from ’56 specs?



nothing, standard trim only

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Posted 2021-04-07 2:40 PM (#610775 - in reply to #609521)
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frwl - 2021-03-05 6:42 PM

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It might be like this:

SG = 1 = 361 = Solex Tinted Glass
M3 = 4 = 424 = Outer Sun Visor and Roof Drip Moulding
M5 = 6 = 446 = White Plastic Steering Wheel
M8 = 3 = 353 = Powerflite Transmission
M9 = 8 = Delivery Route

All other items did not stamp…

 

Let's consider the M8 column. You said M8 = powerflite. 

What we see, when we check Dodge and Plymouth. 

All plates show 3, except one showing 2. Unfortunately, information on this car is not available.

This neither confirms nor deny.

But let's check the Chrysler and DeSoto. 

All Chrysler plates shows 4, except one showing 8.

For New Yorkers PF is standard, but second Windsor also show 4 and and comes with PF.

Also all DeSoto's are equipped with PF but one shows 3 on the tag.

Conclusion? M8 probably does not mean trans.





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Posted 2021-04-07 2:55 PM (#610776 - in reply to #608351)
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And the M1 = 2 as well...
I've never seen the code M1 = 2;

M1 = 5, M1 = 7, and M1 = 8 ONLY... Besides the next codes (1, 4, 6, 9) in the column 35x are present in the IBM card, but not stamped on the cowl tag...

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Posted 2021-04-07 3:50 PM (#610783 - in reply to #608351)
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Maybe M8 = 2 means the Manual Transmission with Overdrive?

M8 = 1 = 3speed Manual Transmission
M8 = 2 = 3speed Manual Transmission with Overdrive
M8 = 3 = 2speed Automatic Transmission Powerflite

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Posted 2021-04-21 2:22 PM (#611265 - in reply to #608351)
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Another '56 Chrysler sheet, St. Regis

ALCOHOL GRP B ???????



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Posted 2021-04-21 4:47 PM (#611269 - in reply to #611265)
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Disclaimer: I have only studied the '56 DeSotos and cannot comment on similarities or cross-references to other makes from the LA plant.

I finally got around to scanning in the documentation for one of my LA cars. As you can see, I have a lot for this car. This is a '56 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman 2 door hardtop. Mostly white with an iridescent green sweep and roof. It has trumpet horn, standard radio/antenna, tinted (Solex) glass, power seat, power windows, and the optional all-leather interior. I have decoded the car to the best of my ability. Based on many '56 DeSotos I have information for, I have a good idea of what each of the top-line codes mean, which may or may not mean the same as other makes. I have seen discussions indicating that SG-1 = Solex Glass. On the Detroit DeSotos, this I have found to be true. However, on the LA DeSotos I believe that SG is the Accessory Group code. You'll note that this car has no number under SG but it does have Solex glass all around, which supports my theory.

Here is my current best guess at what the top-line codes mean on an LA-built '56 DeSoto. This is based on looking at a number of different cars. What I need to do at some point is sit down with all the data I have and basically try to disprove my theory to see if it's correct.

SG = Accessory Group
EW = Electric Window Lifts
M1 = ?
M2 = Air Conditioning
M3 = Suncap Visor (standard on Sportsman models)
M4 = ?
M5 = Power Seat
M6 = Color Sweep
M7 = ?
M8 = Power Brakes (standard on Fireflite, but note that it's always coded on Detroit cars)
M9 = Power Steering (standard on Fireflite)



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Posted 2021-04-22 12:16 AM (#611281 - in reply to #611269)
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Here the tag from my LA built '59 Fury 4-door hardtop.



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Posted 2021-04-22 1:17 PM (#611292 - in reply to #611281)
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jpmopar - 2021-04-22 6:16 AM

Here the tag from my LA built '59 Fury 4-door hardtop.



Thanks Jim, I know your tag. It would be nice to see IBM card (I remember, you don't have it)
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Posted 2021-04-22 1:20 PM (#611293 - in reply to #611269)
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Fireflite56 - 2021-04-21 10:47 PM


I finally got around to scanning in the documentation for one of my LA cars. As you can see, I have a lot for this car. This is a '56 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman 2 door hardtop.


Thanks for sharing, David. These are very good documents. Your information and theory are very interesting.
It takes a lot of these kits to draw conclusions, but we keep trying
I noticed that the sheet is missing the code 1 for IBM card .
I am also interested in the letter "S".
It also appears in 56 Chrysler sheet, which I showed yesterday, and 56 Plymouth showed earlier. But it's not in my sheet.

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Posted 2021-04-22 1:26 PM (#611294 - in reply to #608351)
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From the Plymouth codes it can be said that:
345 -
362 -
366 - electric windows 2 door
383 - airfoam front & rear seat
385 -
391 - accessory group
405 -
412 -
424 - trim package
447 - deluxe steering wheel

But that's just guesswork!

If the sheet codes correspond directly to the data plate codes , it looks like this (but I have doubts).

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Posted 2021-04-22 1:53 PM (#611296 - in reply to #611265)
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Another '56 Chrysler sheet, St. Regis

ALCOHOL GRP B ???????


The ALCOHOL GRP B means that you have to be drunk with 'ALCOHOL', 'GR'ade "P" Plastered, 'B'efore you can understand the reasoning behind these things.
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Posted 2021-04-23 9:48 AM (#611322 - in reply to #608351)
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David (aka Fireflite 56):
All Forwardlook 1955-1961 DeSotos have not Power Steering and Power Brakes as Standard Equipment EXCEPT:
Only 1956, 1957, 1958 Adventurers have Power Brakes as standard;
Only one season of 1959 model year Fireflites and Adventurers have Power Steering and Power Brakes both as standard;
You may check this fact in every year DeSoto brochure


For example: This ’56 DeSoto has Power Seat, but the space M5 is empty (by the way it has not Power Steering)
Look at this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67614&...

But it has a Power Brakes and M8=4 (although I’m not sure about this because all power brakes option should have ended on 5)
Anyway – thank for this interesting article




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Posted 2021-04-23 9:50 AM (#611323 - in reply to #608351)
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Robert: you mean 362 – Power Windows instead 366…
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Posted 2021-04-23 10:17 AM (#611327 - in reply to #608351)
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Robert: it is very interesting sheet;

Difference between your car (385) and that car (387) might be a Radio (with or without Rear Speaker);
And your code 428 vs code 423 of this car… plus codes 451 and 469 on yours…
So, what we have:

M8 = 8 (428) – Your car
M8 = 4 (424) – Dieter’s Car
M8 = 3 (423) – Alcohol Car

Maybe Alcohol Group includes Antifreeze and non-freezing Windshield Washer fluid?

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Posted 2021-04-23 3:20 PM (#611348 - in reply to #611323)
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I would like to see data tag "alcohol car"




frwl - 2021-04-23 3:50 PM

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Robert: you mean 362 – Power Windows instead 366…


361-362 solex glass / e-z vision group

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Posted 2021-04-23 4:23 PM (#611354 - in reply to #608351)
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Where these codes are from?
1956 Plymouth codes do not have these
Very interesting know all listing, please
You know my PM;

Thanks in advance

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Posted 2021-05-23 5:11 AM (#612185 - in reply to #608351)
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'59 Plymouth Sport Fury, solex, padded dash, DeLuxe steering wheel,power steering, power brakes, swivel seat, flittesweep deck, 361 4-barrel, radio, clock



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Posted 2021-05-23 6:17 AM (#612188 - in reply to #608351)
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M5 = 1 means Undercoating – we knew
The next items are standard equipment on the Sport Fury and do not specify:

431 = Padded Dash
371 = Deluxe Steering Wheel
361 = Swivel Seats
309 = Flite Sweep Deck Lid (M4 = 9 is empty)

Optional Golden Commando Engine has code 373 and ends on the «3» - cannot see
Is that Radio 441? I guess not…

Looks like M2 = 1 means a Power Steering, as we knew it early…
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Posted 2021-05-23 6:28 AM (#612190 - in reply to #612188)
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frwl - 2021-05-23 12:17 PM

Looks like M2 = 1 means a Power Steering, as we knew it early…




Probably yes, cars number 100 and 103 are not equipped with PS. M2 is empty.
There is no information about three cars, others cars have PS.




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Posted 2021-05-23 6:58 AM (#612191 - in reply to #608351)
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Do you have some information about Solex Glass on the car number 101 from you table?
Is this tinted windshield only, all windows or all windows with shaded windshield together?

Are the cars 95, 102 and 103 station wagons?

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Posted 2021-05-23 7:11 AM (#612192 - in reply to #608351)
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M1 - 8 = manual tailgate or/with outside spare tire 2-seat wagon

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Posted 2021-09-03 7:03 AM (#614713 - in reply to #610083)
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frwl - 2021-03-18 12:01 PM

By the way: what is the upholstery code 090?
The '56 Windsor Sedans have not it...
Same question to the Paint Code 261... Is that CROCUS YELLOW? Is that Spring Special model? (but SCHED space shows 0627 - June 27, 1956...)




I recently bought an upholstery book, but it was lost in shipping :wince:


I bought another book. This time it has arrived.
I am happy because the price was very reasonable and all samples are in perfect condition. Only the cover is a bit faded.
Unfortunately, the book does not contain codes for Spring Special cars.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=76325
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Posted 2021-09-03 1:26 PM (#614725 - in reply to #608351)
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Here it is. I found this page in the net.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1956-chrysler-windsor-color-1...

So, there were four Spring Special color combinations and only one Copperglow / Black upholstery offered with each of them. Unfortunately no trim code on it. We also have a cowl tag with Spring Special paint code 261 and trim 090; I would guess this trim 090 is Spring Special trim too…




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Posted 2022-01-02 5:38 AM (#618103 - in reply to #608351)
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Here is a picture of the 57 Dodge cowl tag posted in this thread:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=76842&...



The sequence number caught my attention. I remember that number. Some time ago I got it from Igor (frwl).
Unfortunately, there was no photo, only the numbers.
Both cars have the same sequence number! Obviously, they have a different scheduled date.
After all, it's an amazing coincidence to see something like this, with very few number of known tags.

If you want, you can see the numbers from all we know LA tags in attached table.



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Posted 2022-01-03 12:49 AM (#618119 - in reply to #608351)
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Interesting.
One thing I haven`t observed until now is that at least LA built cars seem all to have had a strip of masking tape on the body plate during painting.
This of course is because the readability of the plate is low when the plate is freshly painted.
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Posted 2022-01-03 9:44 AM (#618120 - in reply to #608351)
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Hello Robert!
Visible options from Dieter’s Chrysler:

1956 Chrysler New Yorker Accessory Group No. 3 – Custom
Custom Steering Wheel – Yes
White Side Wall Tires – Yes
Rear License Plate Frame – can’t see
Prismatic Mirror – can’t see

1956 Chrysler New Yorker Accessory Group No. 5 – Convenience
Vanity Mirror – can’t see
Solex Tinted Glass – Yes
Left Outside Rear View Mirror – Yes

From Dieter’s Chrysler IBM card: Could the codes 453 and 455 be an Accessory Groups?
BTW: You told that your car has Safety Group No. 1 and your IBM card has code 451 on it...




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