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56D500boy
Posted 2021-02-07 2:37 PM (#608613)
Subject: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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Previously (2019??) I did some work along the drip rails of my 56 Dodge Custom Royal 4dr sedan which has a "Sapphire" white roof. At that time, I was told that the closest rattle can automotive paint to Sapphire White was Ford's Wimbledon White (Duplicolor CBFM0041 (or 00417 (?)). So when I repainted the 6 inches or so above the drip rail area, after priming with a high build primer, I used the Wimbledon White. When I did that, I thought that it was a bit too yellow but I didn't worry because I really didn't know what the true roof colour was at that time. I had only every just washed the roof at that point. No attempt at polishing or wet sanding off the oxidized original paint.

Well, that changed yesterday when I got "swept away" and polished the entire roof with Meguire's No. 4 Heavy Cut "Mirror Glaze" polish (by hand using a 4" foam pad). Now I can see for sure that the areas where I used the Wimdledon White are definitely more yellow than the polished OE paint. Hmm....and I have four cans of the Wimbledon White.

The other paint that I have and might have tried (?) is a GM "white", Duplicolor CBGM0338 (or 03380). It seems less yellow that the Ford Wimbledon White. But of course, I only have one can of the GM Paint.

I have two areas near the front of the roof, one about 6" x 8" and one about 4" x 4" that suffered from some kind of heating or waste pipe leakage in the underground apartment building parking, under a blue poly tarp, for many years (as many as 25). (See below). Some kind of corrosive drippage ate into the paint in those areas, leaving them a bit pock-marked. I have dealt with this on the tops of the front fenders so I know how to handle the problem, I just need a closer match to the Sapphire White paint than the Wimbledon White.

Anybody with a better suggestion than Wimbledon White?

I realized yesterday that despite the temps outside being about 4C (39F), I can heat the garage to about 18C (64F?) with my 3000/4000/5000 W overhead 240 V heater (on the cheaper to run 3000 W) in about 3 hours (about a $1 worth of electricity). The bonus is, the front of the roof, where I need to make this repair, gets a direct blast of warm air off the heater. I've measure the temp there at about 22 C (72F). Good enough for curing filler and painting (with the heater fan off). So I can work on the car, now, rather than wait until spring to work outside.

Hence the need for a better paint solution.

(My urban "barn find" in Sept 2016):

Edited by 56D500boy 2021-02-07 3:40 PM




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56D500boy
Posted 2021-02-08 2:35 AM (#608630 - in reply to #608613)
Subject: RE: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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Powerflite's (Nathan N's) thread about his 56 Fury, asked him about the paint that he used on his 56 Fury fender and how close it would be to Sapphire. Turns out that he created a one-off blend that I won't be able to reproduce. But then he went on to say "I only did this because it is temporary paint. I believe that all Chrysler corp whites were the same color, at least they are plenty close enough that it doesn't really matter. The only spray can that I have found that is close to the proper white is "Stone White" from the Duplicolor replacement paints."

So I went looking for Duplicolor Stone White. (I found it). In doing so, I found that I had previously posted photos of the GM and Ford paints that I discussed in the first post in this thread.

So here they all are now (GM, Ford and Chrysler, left to right). The Chrysler stone white is definitely the whitest of the three (the GM and Chrysler whites are very close)

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56D500boy
Posted 2021-03-02 2:13 AM (#609413 - in reply to #608630)
Subject: RE: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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Over the weekend (maybe starting Friday?) I started repairing (filling the etched divots in) the roof paint (just near the front and mostly on the drivers side). I thought about mixing up some catalyzed "Bondo" filler but in the end opted for multicoats of high build primer/filler. Probably two coats a day for three days with 200 and/or 400 grit sand paper (and a long foam block) between coats. While this was happening, I bought a can of the Duplicolor Chrysler Stone White to try out against the Ford Wimbledon White and the GM Blanc.

It is difficult to take a good photo of three whites and see the differences but I have tried. See below.

In terms of Yellowest to Whitest, I think it is Wimbledon Ford (yellowest), Chrysler Stone white (whiter than the Ford color) and GM Blanc (the whitest). I've sprayed some of the Ford Wimdledon White over the sanded grey high build primer just to use it up and provide a base coat. I think I will use the one can of Chrysler Stone White over that tomorrow (to use it up and maybe stay with it). I might in the end go for the GM Blanc but it is very white (maybe too white).

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mstrug
Posted 2021-03-02 6:35 AM (#609414 - in reply to #608613)
Subject: Re: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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These guys can probably help. https://www.automotivetouchup.com/touch-up-paint/chrysler/1956/all-m... https://www.automotivetouchup.com/ Marc.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-03-02 11:12 AM (#609427 - in reply to #609414)
Subject: Re: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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"Why The Two-Step Paint System?

Your 1956 Chrysler All Models is painted at the factory with a high quality basecoat/clearcoat system."

Umm....no.

And they don't list Dodges.

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mstrug
Posted 2021-03-02 12:50 PM (#609435 - in reply to #608613)
Subject: Re: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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Don't see your color listed?

Call 1-888-710-5192.
We probably have it.

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56D500boy
Posted 2021-03-02 1:19 PM (#609437 - in reply to #609435)
Subject: Re: Looking for rattle can equivalent to Sapphire White



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mstrug - 2021-03-02 9:50 AM
Don't see your color listed?
Call 1-888-710-5192.
We probably have it.


Thanks Marc. It's not that critical. I am NOT doing a concours restoration. I don't need to have the paint 100% spot on.

And then there is the issue of getting it to Canada due to the volatile toxic hazardous content.



*IF* I was going nuts on a restoration, I would consider using Bruce Faulkner's recipe for Sapphire white:

"IMRON Mixing formula for colors as indicated. 3 Quart Mix size.

Sapphire White:
556 U Yellow Oxide 103.5
531 U LS Black 656
555 U White 3496.0"

Sort of a yellowish greyish white.

I might do that in the summer. At the moment I am just playing in my 12' x 20' garage with a 3000W overhead electric heater that I have remember to turn off (because of the fan) when I am actually spraying.

Last coat of Wimbledon White on the affected area this am. Then sanding after lunch and maybe two coats of the Chrysler Stone White (with an hour or two under heat) between coats.






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Charlie8575
Posted 2021-05-14 10:23 AM (#611967 - in reply to #608613)
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Thanks for the mixing formula. My local PPG jobber couldn't be bothered to call PPG, so I can give this to the DuPont guy and see what he can do with it.

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56D500boy
Posted 2021-05-14 11:43 AM (#611972 - in reply to #611967)
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Charlie8575 - 2021-05-14 7:23 AM
Thanks for the mixing formula. My local PPG jobber couldn't be bothered to call PPG, so I can give this to the DuPont guy and see what he can do with it.


If that doesn't work out, I am quite happy with the Chrysler "Stone White" and will be applying that to my roof this summer.

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