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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107   Location: So. Cal | I purchased this car from Pennsylvania back in November, but I just received it today due to issues with covid. The data tag shows the paint as being KTK, which is Champagne Gold with Charcoal Gray roof & sweep. But I'm not sure how a Crocus Yellow tag would have been encoded, so it might actually be that instead, but I doubt it because this looks to have a similar dirty yellow color that my "gold" '58 Firedome has. But this color doesn't match the paint chip at all. Not sure why someone decided to paint the roof a rust orange color on top of the original charcoal, and I'm not sure why it's sitting so high in the front. I had to check to be sure the motor was still in there!  A really nice thing about this car is that all the doors, window cranks, trunk lid, & hood latch & open really well and all the glass is in good shape. No work required on them. It also has it's keys and someone installed a mirror-matic into it as well, so that's a bonus. My immediate plans for it is to fill the cylinders with trans fluid to see if I can get it to rotate eventually, replace the missing hood spring, and then let it wait until I can fix the rust issues on the floors. Edited by Powerflite 2021-03-17 2:24 AM (57NY Gold RF.jpg) (57NY Gold LR.jpg) (57NY Gold Dash.jpg) Attachments ----------------  57NY Gold RF.jpg (288KB - 325 downloads) 57NY Gold LR.jpg (294KB - 300 downloads) 57NY Gold Dash.jpg (187KB - 313 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | The car has very little rust issues on the outside of it, but more of it in very odd places. At first, I thought it had to have rusted from the underside, but the more I look at it, it seems to have rusted from the inside. The underside of the car is definitely cleaner than the inside. My only guess is the car may have been filled with a lot of dirt or junk that collected the moisture in these areas. There are rust issues on the tunnel & wheel tub, which are generally unheard of. And yet, the typical rust areas at the floors & trunk are actually in pretty good shape. Kinda weird. That wheel tub repair is gonna be a fun one. There are also rust sections high on the back floor as well. Since these are odd places for these cars to rust, it should be pretty easy to obtain repair panels from parts cars. You can see from the rear seat picture that the inside was originally painted a battleship blue-ish gray color, but the inside of the trunk lid was painted body color. I'm gonna need to replace those springs in the rear seat. Many are missing and many others are shot. Edited by Powerflite 2021-03-17 2:28 AM (57NY Gold RF Floor.jpg) (57NY Gold Rear Seat.jpg) (57NY Gold Trunk.jpg) (57NY Gold Wheel Tub.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold RF Floor.jpg (227KB - 321 downloads) 57NY Gold Rear Seat.jpg (182KB - 324 downloads) 57NY Gold Trunk.jpg (168KB - 300 downloads) 57NY Gold Wheel Tub.jpg (189KB - 304 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | The motor looks to be mostly complete, and mostly original too. The spark plug instructions are still on the valve covers. The aftermarket A/C compressor has some very creative brackets made to support it. I probably won't keep that system, but I won't mess with it until I get closer to being able to work on it. (57NY Gold Engine.jpg) (57NY Gold AC Brackets.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold Engine.jpg (200KB - 315 downloads) 57NY Gold AC Brackets.jpg (191KB - 309 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | It looks like the car was originally from Pennsylvania. The car was last registered in 1973 (based on the safety sticker) and the dealer emblem is from Gehman in Emmaus, PA. The trunk lid isn't bad on the inside, but the outside would likely take more work than it's worth to fix it, so probably best to replace it. (57NY Gold Plates.jpg) (57NY Gold Dealer Tag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold Plates.jpg (222KB - 330 downloads) 57NY Gold Dealer Tag.jpg (71KB - 308 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | Here is the data tag. The car was made on Jan 30th of 1957. 265 = Factory to dealer delivery 319 = Music master radio 323 = Custom conditionaire heater/defroster 325 = Power brakes (Power steering is standard on the NY) 349 = Dual headlamps 361 = Manual antenna Paint KTK = champagne gold with charcoal gray Trim 26 = gray/brown/silver/black fabrics Model 166 = 2dr hardtop (57NY Gold Data Plate.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold Data Plate.jpg (178KB - 329 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 3969 Location: DFW, TX | LOL, you are giving John Fowlie a run for his money now!!  Looks like another great car! | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10456 Location: Lower Mainland BC | wizard - 2021-03-17 10:09 AM What is the extra thin fuel Line for? Sven: I'm not Nathan but I am pretty sure that that "fuel line" is the vacuum line back to the distributor Nathan's: Mine (56 Dodge D500 4 bbl) Edited by 56D500boy 2021-03-17 1:56 PM (56D500CarburetorShowingVacuumLine_overall.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56D500CarburetorShowingVacuumLine_overall.jpg (143KB - 297 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | Thanks, everyone. Danny, I'm sure I won't be giving John a run of any kind as this addition will require me to purchase even more stuff from him. It's probably a good thing that I purchased this one last, because I probably wouldn't have purchased the parade green one and put all the work into it if I already owned this one. Even though the rust issues are pretty severe in places on this car, I am confident that I can fix it relatively quickly once I get started on it because I can fix most of the floor issues with 2 large patches from the 300D floor that I parted out. | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | Thanks, I do enjoy working on them most of the time, that's likely why I do it. Prognosis on the motor is that it doesn't have a chance of running without a full rebuild so I put the air cleaner & spark plug covers back onto it to begin its storage until I pull the motor out of it. It's sad to say, but likely true, that that's the only reason this motor is still here and not pulled out for some other project. I'll spend some time to clean the threads on the front seat and bolt it down as well so that it's easier to tow. Cleaning the windows on it is on-going and awaiting new polishing products to arrive. But that's all I'll do to it until I am ready to tear into it for real. Edited by Powerflite 2021-03-19 3:57 PM (57NY Gold Engine Waiting.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold Engine Waiting.jpg (204KB - 287 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10456 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Nathan: Sorry to hear that you will have to rebuild the engine. No way to save it from that? Did you happen to take any more photos of the spark plug instructions under the wire covers (before you put the covers back on) ?. I have never heard/seen of these instructions before and would love to see what the factory said. The instructions barely show here:  Edited by 56D500boy 2021-03-19 4:00 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | Yeah, they had them on 2 locations on each valve cover. It says: USE ONLY 3/4" REACH SPARK PLUGS IN THIS ENGINE (Hemi Spark Plug Instructions.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Hemi Spark Plug Instructions.jpg (220KB - 310 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10456 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Powerflite - 2021-03-19 1:05 PM Yeah, they had them on 2 locations on each valve cover. It says: USE ONLY 3/4" REACH SPARK PLUGS IN THIS ENGINE Thanks Nathan. Photo archived (I wonder whether my 56 D500 ever had such a sticker and, if so, what the length requirements were). Oh well. | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | |||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | The car came with an original owner's manual. There was also a receipt for some tire work at Binghamton, NY Goodyear store from 1966. The manual has a little damage on the bottom of it so I have to do some editing to make it better. I like this little book more than I thought I would. (57 Chrysler Manual 00 Covers.jpg) (57 Chrysler Manual 01 Personal Word.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 Chrysler Manual 00 Covers.jpg (127KB - 307 downloads) 57 Chrysler Manual 01 Personal Word.jpg (150KB - 293 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | I had a little fun with the line art on some of the pages. (57 Chrysler Manual 28 Young.jpg) (57 Chrysler Manual 08 Safe Stopping.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 Chrysler Manual 28 Young.jpg (98KB - 318 downloads) 57 Chrysler Manual 08 Safe Stopping.jpg (75KB - 311 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | Got my official Chrysler Dealer Service Certificate from the book all filled out. I obtained the delivery date from the Pennsylvania title as the first date of registration. Pretty cool that they would keep it on there. That means that it never left the state. That's about 2 months from the scheduled build date. The person on the title lives in Emmaus, PA. That leads me to believe that he is either a son/relative of the original owner or near neighbor. Edited by Powerflite 2021-03-26 11:23 AM (57 Chrysler Manual 29 Certificate.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 Chrysler Manual 29 Certificate.jpg (150KB - 308 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | It is 31 pages with these contents. The last page talks about vehicle & engine numbering. It's interesting to me that I don't ever remember seeing a 354 motor that was stamped LE-XXXX for the '57 Saratoga. Edited by Powerflite 2021-03-26 12:36 PM (57 Chrysler Manual 02 Contents.jpg) (57 Chrysler Manual 31 License Data-s.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 Chrysler Manual 02 Contents.jpg (132KB - 359 downloads) 57 Chrysler Manual 31 License Data-s.jpg (186KB - 316 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10456 Location: Lower Mainland BC | billy - 2021-04-05 9:20 AMNathan, On that picture of the dash you have a black unit below the gold heat/cool slider that i have in my car but what is it below that? Is that an after market AC unit or is my car missing the original unit? I have never had my AC working yet so i may in fact be missing parts.. This black box? | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | I noticed this car has the short air cleaner without the clearance dent on the tank. That made me curious what the motor number would be. It is NE5710613 which is 1241 away from the VIN number. Nevertheless, this is very likely the original motor to the car. The car hasn't changed hands very much over they years and everything looks very original, except for the A/C system that was installed into it. So this motor number marks the position for a scheduled January 30th build date. (57NY Gold Engine No.jpg) (57NY Gold Air Cleaner Style.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57NY Gold Engine No.jpg (131KB - 238 downloads) 57NY Gold Air Cleaner Style.jpg (139KB - 233 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10107 Location: So. Cal | This is definitely the most original New Yorker that I own. It even has at least 3 of its original wheels, and this is one of them. It's 14 x 6.5" wide without the dog dish nubs and is painted all-black. All three wheels are the same as this one. So this is what a 1730809 wheel looks like. The tire on this one is what broke the lever tube on my tire changer. After finally breaking the bead on it, I couldn't remove the tire from the rim and had to pay a shop to get it done. It turns out that it had a thick liner inside the tire to give it better puncture resistance, that fit snug to the rim, and also had an inner tube inside that. It made the wheel a lot heavier than you would otherwise expect it to be. Edited by Powerflite 2023-06-06 2:01 PM (57 Gold NY Original Wheel.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 Gold NY Original Wheel.jpg (117KB - 159 downloads) | ||
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