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Posted 2021-04-05 11:36 PM (#610720)
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I broke out the trailer, hit up the bank and was the first one to take a look. The gentleman is firm on the price and the car is restorable. Trunk pan is excellent. Floor boards look good from the top except for small holes around the gas pedal. There is rust on the undercarriage that will require patching. Under when the top sits and other areas. A few holes and pin holes also. Not terrible, and we have all seen worse. There is more than 2 missing pieces of trim and the trim that is present is in poor condition, all of it will need straightening. Hood rusted through where the hinges (missing) would bolt on, on one side. Windshield is busted in several places along with the radio face. Wires hanging by the radio, maybe it was a record player car? Cluster has the cover doing something. Engine has not been attempted to run for at least 35 years and has been sitting with the plugs out. Didn't attempt to turn it over, assume the 318 is locked. Exhaust is cut on one side. Both fenders and a few other spots are dented. There is obvious filler where a crack was by a wheel well. Drivers rocker has pin holes. Couldn't inspect under the lower trim on the car and didn't open the passenger door. Where the weatherstripping would go on the part the trunk has rust through toward the bumper, but not at the forward part. Trunk lid has filler and work done to it. The doors appear to be solid with no sign of filler and only surface rust. All glass is there. Top and interior fabric are non existent, top frame is there and moves. I would've looked closer if I found less surprises. The more I looked the more I knew I would be going home empty. Was very excited to see it and would love to take on the challenge, but I would personally finish upside down if the starting point is $17,000 and that wouldn't include the hundreds or more hours put in. I am on the hunt for a 60 hardtop or convertible if you guys know any (driver or project) for sale. I've seen the Ohio 25k one and the nice looking green 12k one on eBay. That 12k one looks good, but really need eyes on something like that.
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Posted 2021-04-06 8:23 AM (#610732 - in reply to #610720)
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It seems like:

A3 = Torqueflite
B1 = Power Steering
C2 = Power Brakes
D3 = Power Seat
Q5 = Heater and Defroster
R2 = White Convertible Top Color
S8 = Flite Sweep Deck Lid (Toilet Seat)





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Grizzly's Garage
Posted 2021-04-11 10:51 AM (#610881 - in reply to #610720)
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I looked at this car on March 13th 2021.

I took the screws out that held the VIN tag on.

The detachable VIN tag was a big concern for me.

Can a VIN tag that has been screwed on be restored and properly reattached ?





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Posted 2021-04-11 10:52 AM (#610882 - in reply to #610881)
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Posted 2021-04-11 10:54 AM (#610883 - in reply to #610882)
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Posted 2021-04-11 10:56 AM (#610884 - in reply to #610883)
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Posted 2021-04-11 11:02 AM (#610886 - in reply to #610884)
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Posted 2021-04-11 11:05 AM (#610888 - in reply to #610886)
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CaprockClassics
Posted 2021-04-11 11:11 AM (#610889 - in reply to #610881)
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Grizzly's Garage - 2021-04-11 9:51 AM

I looked at this car on March 13th 2021.

I took the screws out that held the VIN tag on.

The detachable VIN tag was a big concern for me.

Can a VIN tag that has been screwed on be restored and properly reattached ?



While most attempts to alter or re-install VIN plates would be a felony, there is a clause that allows for it to be replaced for restoration purposes. But usually has to be done by a licensed professional or done in the presence of official government agents. I know a good spot weld tool could re attach it properly.

I get scared off anytime I see a car with a vin tag removed.

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Grizzly's Garage
Posted 2021-04-11 11:12 AM (#610890 - in reply to #610888)
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Posted 2021-04-11 11:32 AM (#610891 - in reply to #610889)
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CaprockClassics - 2021-04-11 11:11 AM

Grizzly's Garage - 2021-04-11 9:51 AM

I looked at this car on March 13th 2021.

I took the screws out that held the VIN tag on.

The detachable VIN tag was a big concern for me.

Can a VIN tag that has been screwed on be restored and properly reattached ?



While most attempts to alter or re-install VIN plates would be a felony, there is a clause that allows for it to be replaced for restoration purposes. But usually has to be done by a licensed professional or done in the presence of official government agents. I know a good spot weld tool could re attach it properly.

I get scared off anytime I see a car with a vin tag removed.

-Peter


I get nervous when I see the VIN tag held on by screws, or pop rivets.

The tag that was on this car is very distorted where the screws were and there is a hole where one of the spot welds was, so it would have to be repaired or a reproduction made before it could be reattached.

That's why I walked away from this car.

I was very disappointed, I really wanted to save this one. I had even made a spot in the garage for it.





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1960fury
Posted 2021-04-11 1:05 PM (#610897 - in reply to #610720)
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There is no reason to remove the VIN from an unrestored car, except..... Do not even try to have it shipped outside of the US. But even if it stays in the US, chances are you invest a fortune to restore it, just to hand it over the the owner one day.
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Posted 2021-04-11 1:07 PM (#610898 - in reply to #610720)
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I found hidden VIN's stamped into the unibody on 60/61 Mopars, but up to this day I have never found a hidden VIN in a 60 or 61 Fury. Somebody know if they exist and where?
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Posted 2021-04-11 1:57 PM (#610900 - in reply to #610720)
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You can fix that VIN plate attachment, but it isn't easy to do it right. There are no reproductions in stainless that are legit enough to work. You have to restore your original. You are right, you will need to TIG weld the plate first to fix the hole, then carefully file it smooth. Then cut a section of the door post out where it attaches. Clean that up and spot weld the VIN to the removed section. Practice on scrap stainless first so you know what settings to use and get good penetration. Then weld the section back into door post and clean it up very well so that no or very little bondo is required. Painful process all just because some idiot thought it was a good idea to remove it.
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Posted 2021-04-11 3:35 PM (#610902 - in reply to #610900)
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When I took the screws out, there was a thin piece of cellophane like material between the VIN tag and the door pillar.

I think it could have been the remains of a piece of double faced tape.

Something went on in this car's past.

Either the spot welds rusted off, the tag came loose , and the owner used double faced tape and screws to reattach it...

Or, this VIN tag does not belong to this car.

Is there a way on these to tell if the fender tag and VIN tag are from the same car ?

The codes on the fender tag seem to match the car, but does the VIN match the fender tag?

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Posted 2021-04-11 3:52 PM (#610903 - in reply to #610720)
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I think you'll need the IBM card from Chrysler Historical in order to tie the VIN to the body tag. Either that or the build sheet or broadcast sheet if he has those.
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Posted 2021-04-11 4:03 PM (#610904 - in reply to #610903)
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Powerflite - 2021-04-11 3:52 PM

I think you'll need the IBM card from Chrysler Historical in order to tie the VIN to the body tag. Either that or the build sheet or broadcast sheet if he has those.


Ok, Thanks.

I had already decided to pass on this one, once I took the screws out and the VIN tag fell off.

I was still curious what could be done to confirm if the VIN tag belongs to this car and if it could be restored and reattached properly.

I can fix the car.

But, the VIN thing is too much of a risk for me.

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Posted 2021-04-11 6:40 PM (#610912 - in reply to #610720)
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It’s fairly common for these vin tags to fall off, though I definitely agree you want to make sure it’s the right tag for the car.

The holes in the tag (where the screws were) are original. They are for alignment for the original spot welding. They should be open, no screws or rivets on this era. That freaks some people out.



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Posted 2021-04-11 6:40 PM (#610913 - in reply to #610720)
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It’s fairly common for these vin tags to fall off, though I definitely agree you want to make sure it’s the right tag for the car.

The holes in the tag (where the screws were) are original. They are for alignment for the original spot welding. They should be open, no screws or rivets on this era. That freaks some people out.



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Posted 2021-04-11 8:48 PM (#610916 - in reply to #610913)
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It’s fairly common for these vin tags to fall off, though I definitely agree you want to make sure it’s the right tag for the car.

The holes in the tag (where the screws were) are original. They are for alignment for the original spot welding. They should be open, no screws or rivets on this era. That freaks some people out.





After over 3 decades with these cars I never saw/had one fall off and it is hard to believe the factory welded such an important pieces to the body so it can easily fall off without touching. I say, without prying they never fall off, close to impossible. Even if they had glued them to the body.
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Posted 2021-04-11 10:14 PM (#610923 - in reply to #610720)
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I've also never seen one fall off on its own. I have seen them loose after morons have tried to drill them out or otherwise remove them.
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Posted 2021-04-12 10:30 AM (#610933 - in reply to #610898)
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1960fury - 2021-04-11 7:07 PM

I found hidden VIN's stamped into the unibody on 60/61 Mopars, but up to this day I have never found a hidden VIN in a 60 or 61 Fury. Somebody know if they exist and where?



Grizzly's Garage - 2021-04-11 9:35 PM


Is there a way on these to tell if the fender tag and VIN tag are from the same car ?

The codes on the fender tag seem to match the car, but does the VIN match the fender tag?




You can check it, but it is not the VIN. It's SO Number.
In the 59Plym, it was stamped on the frame in two places. In later cars (1960's), it was stamped on the radiator bracket.
I don't know where it's stamped on this car, but it's definitely stamped.
This will confirm that the data tag matches the body. But you can't verify VIN plate with the body this way.
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Posted 2021-04-12 12:20 PM (#610937 - in reply to #610933)
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I found hidden VIN's stamped into the unibody on 60/61 Mopars, but up to this day I have never found a hidden VIN in a 60 or 61 Fury. Somebody know if they exist and where?



Grizzly's Garage - 2021-04-11 9:35 PM


Is there a way on these to tell if the fender tag and VIN tag are from the same car ?

The codes on the fender tag seem to match the car, but does the VIN match the fender tag?




You can check it, but it is not the VIN. It's SO Number.
In the 59Plym, it was stamped on the frame in two places. In later cars (1960's), it was stamped on the radiator bracket.
I don't know where it's stamped on this car, but it's definitely stamped.
This will confirm that the data tag matches the body. But you can't verify VIN plate with the body this way.


60/61 Never saw the SO number anywhere except the data plate. The SO # is actually not important, why stamp it on the body? The VIN was stamped on the rear end body panel, where the bumper ist attached to, a structural part, on my ex 61 Desoto coupe.
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Posted 2021-04-12 1:13 PM (#610939 - in reply to #610916)
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R41HP - 2021-04-11 6:40 PM

It’s fairly common for these vin tags to fall off, though I definitely agree you want to make sure it’s the right tag for the car.

The holes in the tag (where the screws were) are original. They are for alignment for the original spot welding. They should be open, no screws or rivets on this era. That freaks some people out.





After over 3 decades with these cars I never saw/had one fall off and it is hard to believe the factory welded such an important pieces to the body so it can easily fall off without touching. I say, without prying they never fall off, close to impossible. Even if they had glued them to the body.



I know we all want to believe that the VIN tag is sacrosanct on automobiles . . .but this just isn't the case. On modern cars the VIN is duplicated many places on the car, but even taking that into account I was surprised to learn that the primary VIN visible through the windshield on several current BMW models is attached not to the body shell, but simply to the dash pad.

So changing the VIN is simply a matter of swapping the dash pad.


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Posted 2021-04-12 1:22 PM (#610940 - in reply to #610937)
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1960fury - 2021-04-11 7:07 PM

I found hidden VIN's stamped into the unibody on 60/61 Mopars, but up to this day I have never found a hidden VIN in a 60 or 61 Fury. Somebody know if they exist and where?



Grizzly's Garage - 2021-04-11 9:35 PM


Is there a way on these to tell if the fender tag and VIN tag are from the same car ?

The codes on the fender tag seem to match the car, but does the VIN match the fender tag?




You can check it, but it is not the VIN. It's SO Number.
In the 59Plym, it was stamped on the frame in two places. In later cars (1960's), it was stamped on the radiator bracket.
I don't know where it's stamped on this car, but it's definitely stamped.
This will confirm that the data tag matches the body. But you can't verify VIN plate with the body this way.


60/61 Never saw the SO number anywhere except the data plate. The SO # is actually not important, why stamp it on the body? The VIN was stamped on the rear end body panel, where the bumper ist attached to, a structural part, on my ex 61 Desoto coupe.



Sid, I don't know if So Number is important or not. I met this info many times from different sources. This is true, the numbers on my cars confirm it. Here it helps to match body and data tag.
As I said, I don't know where it is in that car. Maybe they did it differently in 60/61? Earlier and later cars have it.
This was also discussed on this page in the past, but I don't remember thread name.
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Posted 2021-04-12 1:33 PM (#610941 - in reply to #610720)
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Robert, later cars have the SO number stamped into them - I know from 1964ish-1969ish. I don't know of any earlier cars that have it. Earlier cars usually just have the engine number stamped into the frame.

Greg, changing the dash on a newer car would effectively chnage the VIN only if the car never leaves that state. Once it leaves the state, it would need a new VIN check, and they do check the other VINs on newer cars starting in 1970. So you would have a world of troubles at that point. I believe that very new cars also have the VIN on the computer as well.
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Posted 2021-04-12 2:15 PM (#610943 - in reply to #610720)
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Nathan, that's my tag and frame number:




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Posted 2021-04-12 2:19 PM (#610944 - in reply to #610720)
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Definitely didn't happen like that in 1957 and 1958. They just had the engine number.
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Posted 2021-04-12 3:47 PM (#610948 - in reply to #610720)
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These are the only numbers I found on my 61 Chrysler firewall. they have no exact relation with any other numbers that i can see in the title. Except the 092793 digits on the ID plate but missing the 99. in Blue the A pillar numbers and red the VIN numbers.


61 uses SO Number too




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Posted 2021-04-12 6:34 PM (#610955 - in reply to #610940)
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Sid, I don't know if So Number is important or not.


Well, the SO number is not in the papers, that answers the question. If a car is stolen, they do not search for/give out the SO number, but the VIN. You can register a car without the data plate, try it without a VIN....
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Posted 2021-04-12 6:36 PM (#610956 - in reply to #610948)
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61 uses SO Number too



Yes of course, but that stamped number is a different number. Where is it located?
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Posted 2021-04-13 3:13 AM (#610967 - in reply to #610720)
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I have almost always removed the vin number plates during restoration as the first thing. Sometimes they have been very loose and nearly fallen off. A little gently tap with a filler spreader is what has been needed for me.
I couldn`t leave rust under the plate , no sir.
Then after cleaning and roughening the survice I have glued with urethane glue. 100 years warranty-won`t fall off.Nobody can tell it has been off, If the spotwelds have ripped
it need some tig welding done by somebody better than me..
Gm has the ridiculous small rivets holding the plate. They can be re-used.
On every other Mustang is the plate replaced with a brand new from Marti...
A car with a missing vin-plate is a different story...I don`t know how to get around that.
So if it is a felony to remove the plate there are many bandits out there and I am one of them...

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Posted 2021-04-13 11:56 AM (#610971 - in reply to #610720)
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"Section 511(a) of Title 18 makes it a felony knowingly to remove, obliterate, tamper with, or alter an identification number for a road motor vehicle or a road motor vehicle part"

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1364-al...

Just saying. I understand why it makes sense to do it when restoring a car, but it is an area of the law where things get dicey. I remember that 1957 Dodge Convertible last year at Barrett Jackson that had a pop-riveted vin plate on it and the state of Arizona removed and destroyed that VIN tag and replaced it with a new AZ VIN like they would on a car that's been stolen or built from scratch.

I personally would never mess with VIN tags since you ultimately run the risk of running afoul of some seriously powerful authorities. That being said, if I did remove and re-install a VIN tag, I wouldn't talk about it or show photos of it online... Just saying...

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Posted 2021-04-13 12:57 PM (#610973 - in reply to #610971)
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The vin tags came from the factory looking like they were tampered with.!

A 61 and 65 300s were tags had fallen off..




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Posted 2021-04-13 6:17 PM (#610983 - in reply to #610967)
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I couldn`t leave rust under the plate , no sir.


And you realize, that a car has billions of square miles where layers of sheet metal are spotwelded together? So maybe there is a bit of surface rust behind the VIN, or maybe not, but at the same time you can be sure that there is plenty of rust under those spotwelded pieces you can't seperate without the facory tooling, because once you separated each and every sheet metal part, you got a flexible mess that can't be put together the way it is supposed to be. Old cars without rust are an illusion and that is no problem.
So (illegal) tampering with the VIN plate makes no sense at all.
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Posted 2021-04-13 8:55 PM (#610994 - in reply to #610720)
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Keep looking. Removing/moving a VIN tag is NOT illegal in a repair or restoration scenario.

There are companies building complete new body shells ready for your VIN tag. You think they haven’t figured it out?

“ In 2005 Dynacorn introduced the first all steel replacement Camaro body shell offered by Dynacorn Classic Bodies LLC. Since then Dynacorn has added several models to their line-up, all licensed by the OEM, GM, Ford and Chrysler. Offering an easy way to restore a classic or build one from the ground, these body shells are just the ticket in today’s environment. “

As far as the cars we’re discussing at hand, the two small spotwelds between disparate materials - stainless VIN tag to steel body - are not dependable as ultimately secure after 60 years. Especially in climates where there is rust - the pillar has two areas ground to unprotected bare metal for the spot welding process. This is not like the very robust spot welded structural unibody joints.

And yes, 1960 and 1961 Chryslers have the partial SO Number stamped on the body. Don’t know about Plymouths
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Posted 2021-04-14 12:42 AM (#611001 - in reply to #610971)
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Sorry if it looked like I was bragging...I just wanted to tell that in my opinion a loose or re-riveted vin plate is not a reason to not buy a car with a otherwise clear background.
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I have also taken vin tag off everytime I have restored or painted the car. Is in not illegal in our country and you do not need put it pack if number is stamped to frame or chassis in unibody car.
Since year 1963 is mantadory to have stamped vin number regardles what kinda tags car manaufacturer has put on it. They put to DMV records location where vin number is stamped.
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Posted 2021-04-14 10:35 AM (#611011 - in reply to #610720)
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1963 had the SO number stamped into the body, not the VIN. The (partial) VIN didn't get stamped to the body until 1970.

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Posted 2021-04-14 11:06 AM (#611013 - in reply to #610720)
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I've hauled a number of cars in that the tag was missing, only to find it buried in the leaves, rust, etc. that had accumulated at the toeboard. No real reason for someone to pry it off, and toss it on the floor, but you just never know.

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Posted 2021-04-14 11:09 AM (#611014 - in reply to #610948)
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RDP - 2021-04-12 3:47 PM


hemidenis - 2018-12-16 10:36 PM

These are the only numbers I found on my 61 Chrysler firewall. they have no exact relation with any other numbers that i can see in the title. Except the 092793 digits on the ID plate but missing the 99. in Blue the A pillar numbers and red the VIN numbers.


61 uses SO Number too






I have a 61 Plymouth that I need to have a vin verification done from CHP. I find this post very helpful explaining FL vin lDs. I wouldn't expect that a young DMV or CHP employee would understand a 60 year old FL vin #.
I will bring my IPad with this post to verification. Perhaps it will help with process.
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Posted 2021-04-14 11:24 AM (#611015 - in reply to #610955)
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Sid, I don't know if So Number is important or not.


Well, the SO number is not in the papers, that answers the question. If a car is stolen, they do not search for/give out the SO number, but the VIN. You can register a car without the data plate, try it without a VIN.... ;)


It wasn't a question, I don't expect an answer to it. It was a suggestion that I am not going to argue with you.
I see you like to reduce the subject to absurdity.
If So Number hadn't been important the factory wouldn't have stamped it, right? It is just used for something other than VIN.
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Posted 2021-04-14 11:35 AM (#611016 - in reply to #610720)
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61 300 G vin that has fallen off and was lost. It's kinda doomed the car from ever getting back on the road.



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Posted 2021-04-14 11:48 AM (#611017 - in reply to #610720)
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Make sure that the CHP know that 2nd VIN verification is not required on any cars earlier than 1970. I had the run-around on my '58 Coronet with people from the DMV & CHP that were clueless. All they have to do on an earlier car is to verify that the VIN is still in place and hasn't been tampered with. That's it.

High end cars without VINs are very common. The reason is that people use the VIN to re-badge another low end car. I can name off a couple of 300Ds & 300Cs that I know have been rebadged from a New Yorker body and the shell is left for other people to discover without a VIN attached to it. But usually, they would take all the 300 goodies with them to the other car. Yours, still having all those goodies on the car, suggests that something else happened with it.
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1960fury
Posted 2021-04-14 12:35 PM (#611023 - in reply to #611015)
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RDP - 2021-04-14 11:24 AM

1960fury - 2021-04-13 12:34 AM

RDP - 2021-04-12 1:22 PM


Sid, I don't know if So Number is important or not.


Well, the SO number is not in the papers, that answers the question. If a car is stolen, they do not search for/give out the SO number, but the VIN. You can register a car without the data plate, try it without a VIN.... ;)


It wasn't a question, I don't expect an answer to it. It was a suggestion that I am not going to argue with you.
I see you like to reduce the subject to absurdity.
If So Number hadn't been important the factory wouldn't have stamped it, right? It is just used for something other than VIN.


Why so aggressiv? You said you don't know and I answered it. "Reduce the subject to absurdity"? That sentence makes no sense at all, the subject was the VIN/SO number and that is what I commented.
Again, the SO is not important, the VIN is, for above mentioned reasons and up to now I failed to see a SO number stamped to the body and there are all sorts of numbers stamped on the body, used in production but that are not important for the owner at all. Again, try to register a car without a VIN. The VIN is in the papers and checked, not the SO number.
Got it now?
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Posted 2021-04-14 1:11 PM (#611025 - in reply to #611023)
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1960fury - 2021-04-14 6:35 PM

Again, try to register a car without a VIN. The VIN is in the papers and checked, not the SO number.
Got it now?


Try to confirm the car's equipment and the matching of the data tag to the body using the VIN. Got it now?

We are talking about something completely different.
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1960fury
Posted 2021-04-15 7:10 PM (#611097 - in reply to #611025)
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1960fury - 2021-04-14 6:35 PM

Again, try to register a car without a VIN. The VIN is in the papers and checked, not the SO number.
Got it now?


Try to confirm the car's equipment and the matching of the data tag to the body using the VIN. Got it now?

We are talking about something completely different.


I got news for you, it is allowed to paint a car a different color and it is also allowed to to add or remove equippment. Also you do not need the SO number to find out the original equippment or colors.
And again, try to register a car with a tampered VIN or w/o a VIN, than you know what is important. Got it now?
So, as you did not know if the SO number is important or not, I just answered it for you. I wonder why this makes you so aggressiv, is that VIN thing a sensitive subject in your country?
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Posted 2021-04-16 1:15 PM (#611148 - in reply to #611097)
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I got news for you,(...)


I understand what you're saying. Are you trying to understand what I'm saying?
No, you are just trying to prove your superiority. I hope not everyone in your country is like you.
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Posted 2021-04-16 7:28 PM (#611155 - in reply to #611148)
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I got news for you,(...)


I understand what you're saying. Are you trying to understand what I'm saying?
No, you are just trying to prove your superiority. I hope not everyone in your country is like you.


Oh, again, the "German (race) card" as usual and the stupid hint "I hope not everyone is like you" to bring up the german stereotype. How sneaky....

I just answered a question in a normal way, it was you who started the bitching. It is all up there and now you post that I want to "prove my superiority" for answering a question?
Go to a good couch doctor and have your inferiority complex treated.

I have lots of Polish friends and fortunately I know that Sissies like you are the exception. Here your post on the subject of VINs and my answer again, in which I (quote RDP) "prove my superiority" and that started your bitching (again, see a psychiatrist):


Sid, I don't know if So Number is important or not.


Well, the SO number is not in the papers, that answers the question. If a car is stolen, they do not search for/give out the SO number, but the VIN. You can register a car without the data plate, try it without a VIN....
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Posted 2021-04-17 3:08 AM (#611163 - in reply to #610720)
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Oh, I see that you are upset. I don't play the German card, I have nothing against the Germans, but you started it. Reread your posts. You are trying to insult me. And you say I'm aggressive? Take a moment to think and relax.
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