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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-15 3:23 PM (#612803)
Subject: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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I am getting to the point where I can re-install my water pump (after doing a lot of extra cleaning and painting at the front of the engine) and radiator. I have a nice new smooth (not a Gates Universal corrugated) rad hose and I want to use OE style wire rad hose clamps. I have the clamps and supposedly I have the right ratcheting tool to install them but I be practising off the car and, so far, I have failed.

Any hints/tricks (besides giving up and using gear clamps)?

This is the look I want:





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Old Ray
Posted 2021-06-15 8:05 PM (#612810 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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When practicing is the hose on a pipe, that helps hold the hose firm and square, my two pliers have a notch for the end of the spring; one old one with a slip joint for two sizes and I think a loop to lock it and one red pair (maybe a KD). Hands of Godzilla are also required.
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60 dart
Posted 2021-06-15 11:53 PM (#612814 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-16 2:30 AM (#612823 - in reply to #612814)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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60 dart - 2021-06-15 8:53 PM
had my pliers for over 50 yrs. . they never fail


Thanks. Looks good but do they work on both the the 2" radiator clamps and the smaller 1" clamps?

This is what I have been trying to use:





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Powerflite
Posted 2021-06-16 3:09 AM (#612824 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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I have pliers similar to what Chuck showed. Yes, you can extend them to work on both sizes. The difficulty is in getting the clamp to expand enough to get it over the lip on the radiator or thermostat housing because they can only bring the two ends of the clamp together; not to extend it further than that, which is what you really need. Your fancy pliers won't do that either. Both will hold the wire ends together very stable, but you usually need just a little more extension to get it to work so you have to use your other hand, with a screwdriver, to push it over the connection.
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finsruskw
Posted 2021-06-16 8:10 AM (#612827 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?


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I Use the same type as chuck has.
Never had an issue with them.
Put a dab of Dawn dish soap on the hose to help the clamp slip over the lip.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-18 12:34 PM (#612888 - in reply to #612823)
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My neighbour only has water cooled Volkswagens. They use flat spring hose clamps. As a result, he has a hose clamp like the one below. I asked if I could borrow it (he said "Sure" (I will buy him some beer in payment)).

He brought it over last evening and I gave it a trial (off the car for now). It worked great. Now to get the water pump back on the car and re-install the rad and the new hoses.





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I GOT FINS
Posted 2021-06-18 10:00 PM (#612898 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: RE: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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If you cannot get the corbin clamp over the knob with the hose installed simply put the clamp on the radiator neck,
install the hose then simply squeeze the clamp open and slip the clamp over the hose bsckwards without having to slide
it over the raised knob of the hose caused by the raised portion of the radiator neck.

pertty simple if you can think outside the box


good luck!

J.W. Duhn

PS I have a clamp pliers nearly the same as the one Chuck showed for at least as many years.
either one that is shown should do the job.

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Powerflite
Posted 2021-06-18 10:49 PM (#612899 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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Then you've got to push the hose on at the same time while you are holding the clamp open. But still probably easier than otherwise.
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I GOT FINS
Posted 2021-06-19 12:24 AM (#612900 - in reply to #612803)
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There is no wonder some people have trouble fixing or assembling parts and pieces ;
You did not read the simple friking directions !

it says;

slip clamp onto radiator neck

install hose

squeeze clamp open

slip clamp backwards

there is absolutly no need to hold the clamp squeezed open
while slipping the hose onto the radiator, thermostat houising, waterpump or whatever!








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Powerflite
Posted 2021-06-19 1:07 AM (#612901 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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You obviously haven't done it very much or you wouldn't say that. Sometimes you have enough room to do it as you say, but often you don't.

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Posted 2021-06-19 4:42 AM (#612904 - in reply to #612803)
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-19 11:34 AM (#612912 - in reply to #612900)
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Oh golly. I figured it all out on my own, without benefit of *ANY* "instructions" (what the heck are "instructions" anyway? - something for losers to read?).

The Corbin clamps go on to the thermostat housing and radiator spigot first, then the hose goes on and then, and only then, do I squeeze the ears on the clamp with appropriate pliers and slide the clamp over the hose and over the roll bead. The immediate benefit of the technique for me is if the pliers slip off the ears of the clamp for any reason, the clamp does not go flying off into a dark corner of the garage to play with the spiders.

Thanks for your input guys. I will post the final installation photo later.



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Posted 2021-06-19 2:40 PM (#612916 - in reply to #612803)
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The factory wire loop clamps are properly called "corbin clamps".
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-21 2:32 PM (#612956 - in reply to #612912)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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56D500boy - 2021-06-19 8:34 AM
Thanks for your input guys. I will post the final installation photo later.


Upper hose:



Lower hose:

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Powerflite
Posted 2021-06-21 2:52 PM (#612957 - in reply to #612803)
Subject: Re: Tricks for Installing the OE Style spring wire rad hose clamps?



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Nice, where did you get the new hose clamps?
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-21 4:31 PM (#612958 - in reply to #612957)
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Powerflite - 2021-06-21 11:52 AM
Nice, where did you get the new hose clamps?


I bought them from my local "Old Car Center" (that caters to 55-56-57 Chevies and Fords - mostly).

Basically (or exactly) this kit:

https://www.classicchevy.com/chevy-radiator-heater-hose-clamp-set-19...



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Posted 2021-06-21 7:47 PM (#612965 - in reply to #612803)
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Cool, thanks. I didn't know anyone was still making & selling them.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-21 9:08 PM (#612966 - in reply to #612965)
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Powerflite - 2021-06-21 4:47 PM
Cool, thanks. I didn't know anyone was still making & selling them.


In a previous Corbin clamp thread (from 2019) when I was looking, dlyle (Doug L) suggested McMaster-Carr:

https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/clamp-type~spring/

I went with my local supplier and that "kit"

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samstrader
Posted 2021-06-23 1:21 AM (#612998 - in reply to #612803)
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hoses look really good Dave. Just perfect I think. It's not such an easy job to change radiator hoses on something this old. Takes hours of research. I'm glad you've doucumented everything here because it will sure make it easier for me to replace my hoses.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-24 12:59 PM (#613058 - in reply to #612998)
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samstrader - 2021-06-22 10:21 PM
hoses look really good Dave. Just perfect I think. It's not such an easy job to change radiator hoses on something this old.


Thanks Sam. In the other upper and lower 56 Dodge radiator hose threads that I started, I purposely kept the labels on the hoses for those first photos so there was a good visual record of an example of hoses that work (or can be trimmed to work).

In the end, I was shocked how much the Corbin clamps seemed to "cut" into the hose. As a result, after I trimmed the hose (3/8") at both ends and re-installed the 180F thermostat, I used lined gear clamps (only smooth metal touches the hose). I think I like the look better and now I won't worry about the clamp cutting into the hose.

At the moment, the lower rad hose is still attached with the smaller (1.5") Corbin clamps but they might get changed to, before I return the hose clamp cable pliers that I borrowed from my neighbour.

This is want I have now on the upper hose:


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Posted 2021-06-24 2:19 PM (#613068 - in reply to #612803)
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The Corbin clamps are supposed to be tight Dave - the purpose with those clamps are that they will always "retighten" automatically. hey will never (not by my experience) cut the hoses as the lined gear clamps will do if the "rack" is cut through the clamp.
Go back to the Corbin clamps - I would use them if I could find them locally.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-24 5:06 PM (#613074 - in reply to #613068)
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wizard - 2021-06-24 11:19 AM
The Corbin clamps are supposed to be tight Dave - the purpose with those clamps are that they will always "retighten" automatically. hey will never (not by my experience) cut the hoses as the lined gear clamps will do if the "rack" is cut through the clamp.Go back to the Corbin clamps - I would use them if I could find them locally.


I can get you a new set of Corbins and mail them to you if you want. The set that I bought was not expensive at all.

I know that the "advantage" of the Corbins is their ability to maintain "constant" tightness. However, their disadvantage is you need to own and maybe carry the proper clamp pliers, which I don't at the moment (I just borrowed a cable-driven clamp plier).

The band clamps that I have on the upper hose now (for the moment) are "lined", i.e. the hose surface does NOT see/feel the gear rack, just smooth metal.

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Posted 2021-06-24 6:20 PM (#613076 - in reply to #612803)
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Posted 2021-06-25 2:07 AM (#613084 - in reply to #613074)
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wizard - 2021-06-24 11:19 AM
The Corbin clamps are supposed to be tight Dave - the purpose with those clamps are that they will always "retighten" automatically. hey will never (not by my experience) cut the hoses as the lined gear clamps will do if the "rack" is cut through the clamp.Go back to the Corbin clamps - I would use them if I could find them locally.


I can get you a new set of Corbins and mail them to you if you want. The set that I bought was not expensive at all.

I know that the "advantage" of the Corbins is their ability to maintain "constant" tightness. However, their disadvantage is you need to own and maybe carry the proper clamp pliers, which I don't at the moment (I just borrowed a cable-driven clamp plier).

The band clamps that I have on the upper hose now (for the moment) are "lined", i.e. the hose surface does NOT see/feel the gear rack, just smooth metal.

:)
So You have the right type of lined clamps Dave, they will not damage anything. I might take up your kind offer, but I need to check the diameter.
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56D500boy
Posted 2021-06-30 8:49 PM (#613210 - in reply to #613084)
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It's easy to shorten the loose end of your hose clamps and round the cut edge off with a grinder. Might save you a few cuts.


Okay. I will keep that in mind. Thanks.

If I don't go back to the Corbin clamps, I might switch to Mikalor clamps. They are both lined and have curled edges that eliminate any chance of cutting into the hose:

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