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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9903     Location: Lower Mainland BC | . I've had starter issues with my 56 Dodge V8 and I checked everything that I thought could be the problem and they were fine. What I didn't know/see was there is a carbon thrust washer that keeps the armature in place and away from the end plate, etc. I was having a terrible time with the starter causing me to get "jumps", etc. because the starter just wasn't working. The problem was that the carbon thrust washer had broken/disintegrated and this allowed the armature to bang into and short against the end plate, etc. The solution (for me) was a new armature (because the old one was wearing away) and a new thrust washer. Once they were changed, the starter is like new. Not saying that my problem is also your problem but it certainly should be checked. Here are two links to my starter problem (and solution): http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=66809&... http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=70560&... Your MDM 6001 is PN 1689 340. At some point there was a change to a MDU 6001 with PN 1842 511. Here is some information about those starters: Edited by 56D500boy 2021-07-01 12:26 PM (58MoparManualTransStarterPNsMDM6001_MDU6001.jpg) (58MoparSixCylinderStarterComponentsDiagram.jpg) (58MoparStarterThrustWasherPNs.jpg) Attachments ----------------  58MoparManualTransStarterPNsMDM6001_MDU6001.jpg (159KB - 138 downloads) 58MoparSixCylinderStarterComponentsDiagram.jpg (100KB - 144 downloads) 58MoparStarterThrustWasherPNs.jpg (119KB - 143 downloads) | ||
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| Chrome58 |
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Expert Posts: 1316  Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | |||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9666  Location: So. Cal | |||
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| ThomasSchlecker |
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Chrome58 - 2021-07-03 10:45 AM Hello Thomas, You could use any other starter that's rated for a '58 V8. They work also, and have a little bit more torque (but not that much). Outside this solution, you can try to buy a new Denso-based starter, that can adapt to the 318 poly. They sell regularly on eBay, although the guy selling them is shady. I bought one from him, receveid a wrong one, sent it back (after he agreed on it) and never received something in return (neither money nor starter). Called him and he said he never received it, the bas***d. I had bought another Denso-based one here on the forum (used), and tried to adapt it by machining a new plate. It worked very well for a few weeks, until a big steering movement had the steering link hit it and threw it off axis. I went back to my MDM-6001 starter since. Thanks you very much for your support! It is very frustrating for the moment. I asked Hitorque what is the right replacement of MDM-6001 and they named IMI-302-002 but did not give me support where I can buy from. I bought the starter from Rare Electrical, they named it IMI-302-002 but sent Wosp LMS1132*5 which fits for Buick Super V8 5,3L At the end I do not know if it will work, even 9 teeths and 25mmOD is right Will try Anyway what is the contact named ignition for? I just have one wire from the starter magneto switch, any idea? Thanks Thomas (Wosp starter.png) Attachments ---------------- Wosp starter.png (232KB - 132 downloads) | |||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9903 Location: Lower Mainland BC | ThomasSchlecker - 2021-07-27 9:47 AM Anyway what is the contact named ignition for? I just have one wire from the starter magneto switch, any idea? Thomas: I know that you are trying to solve your starter problem but I suggest that the starter that you show in the photo above is way overkill. That one could probably be used to start a 7L 11.5:1 compression ratio V8. That said, the new starter has its own built in/on starter solenoid. So the big connection will be power from the battery and the small connection is the trigger signal from the ignition key. Not sure if you have a standard or automatic transmission but if you currently have a 4 terminal solenoid mounted on the inner fender, you might have to get creative with regard to the neutral safety switch. REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=69708&... Edited by 56D500boy 2021-07-27 1:44 PM | ||
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| ThomasSchlecker |
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56D500boy - 2021-07-27 1:43 PM ThomasSchlecker - 2021-07-27 9:47 AM Anyway what is the contact named ignition for? I just have one wire from the starter magneto switch, any idea? Thomas: I know that you are trying to solve your starter problem but I suggest that the starter that you show in the photo above is way overkill. That one could probably be used to start a 7L 11.5:1 compression ratio V8. That said, the new starter has its own built in/on starter solenoid. So the big connection will be power from the battery and the small connection is the trigger signal from the ignition key. Not sure if you have a standard or automatic transmission but if you currently have a 4 terminal solenoid mounted on the inner fender, you might have to get creative with regard to the neutral safety switch. REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=69708&... Thank you very much for those helpful info! Car has manual 3 gear shift transmission, no neutral safety switch I have to take care. Will take battery + power to the starter and take the ignition wire from old solenoid to the new and see what happens. FYI MDM-6001 I do not have data IMI-302-002 recommended by HItorque 1,2Kw, 1,609HP SWOP I got by Rare Electrical 1,4Kw all of the have 9 teeths and 25mm OD Thanks again and regards from Germany Thomas | |||
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Member Posts: 28 Location: St. Louis | I got mine rebuilt, and it was still weak. Someone told me about a place called hi torque and they actually have them. Cannot find of their website (http://www.hitorque.com) you have to call them. 562-907-9400. Part number for my 318 poly /TF which had the MDM 6001 starter is IMI-302-002. It was $304 shipped. It is clockable, lighter, and smaller than factory. Happy with it so far Edited by StlJimmy 2021-08-17 11:29 PM (ResizerImage468X624.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ResizerImage468X624.jpg (232KB - 119 downloads) | ||
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