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AceS
Posted 2021-12-15 1:43 PM (#617681)
Subject: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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I finally broke down and bought this tank from Moparpro on eBay, only to find that the filler neck inlet is different from the original on my 60 Suburban Deluxe. My tank uses an o-ring, the repro tank a different style (see pics - black one is the repro). The seller said the tank was modeled off a tank they had but can't point me to a gasket that works, or, as of yet what the model and year of car the tank was out of that they copied. The tank looks very close to my original except for the filler neck inlet. I can't use it unless I can find an inlet gasket for it.

Maybe they used different tanks in production or 60 and 61 have different filler set ups?

Anyone have a clue ...... and better yet a gasket source? .... and if my existing filler neck designed for the o-ring inlet will fit that gasket?






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Posted 2021-12-15 2:55 PM (#617683 - in reply to #617681)
Subject: RE: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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It looks like the later tank grommet, my 62 Newport wagon used one. 2203470



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 3:40 PM (#617689 - in reply to #617681)
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Your filler pipe will work with that grommet for that. They really should include it. You can get it at Amazon. 1964 is when they switched to the grommet from the o-ring design but the tank is the same shape and fits. I'm putting on in my '60 Chrysler T&C.

Get the grommet here --> https://amzn.to/3ytdme7

The problem you're going to run into is that it is really hard to get the fuel sender lock ring on. I can barely get it on without a gasket. I'm going to have to bend the tabs or something to get it on. I tried a thinner gasket. I also had to bend the new fuel sender I got from Vans Auto as it was hitting the bottom of the tank. Also had the same problem on a '58 Dodge sedan tank so I think it's the sender, not the tank.



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AceS
Posted 2021-12-15 4:41 PM (#617692 - in reply to #617689)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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Thanks guys!!!

I will also pass this info along to the seller so he can list it properly.

Unfortunately, I also found that the sender ring is welded in backwards, so this one is a lost cause....



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 4:54 PM (#617693 - in reply to #617681)
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At first I didn't think it's backwards but a different design, which also is part of the problem with the tight lock ring. But looking at it again, you might be right. Here is a picture of the original 1960 tank I have.

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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 4:57 PM (#617694 - in reply to #617681)
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Here is the sender opening of the 1958 sedan tank I was dealing with and the gasket that cam with the sending unit from Vans. Not the same as the normal flat one. I hope this one isn't backward as well since I just shipped it off to Australia.




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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 5:06 PM (#617696 - in reply to #617681)
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I sent Mike at Moparpro an e-mail about this with a link to this discussion.
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AceS
Posted 2021-12-15 5:58 PM (#617697 - in reply to #617696)
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Looking at your photos, it looks to me like it might take a different outlet/sender gasket than the 60 style (square o-ring vs flat rubber gasket). Do you know what gasket # that is? May also be 64 model year? Do I need to also change my lock ring to 64 style?

I'm familiar with 60 Plymouth and 57 Dodge but not much between years 62-65. Without you guys it might take quite awhile to figure this out, so thanks.

This thread will be a good record for future buyers.











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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 6:12 PM (#617698 - in reply to #617697)
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AceS - 2021-12-15 2:58 PM

Looking at your photos, it looks to me like it might take a different outlet/sender gasket than the 60 style (square o-ring vs flat rubber gasket). Do you know what gasket # that is? May also be 64 model year? Do I need to also change my lock ring to 64 style?

I'm familiar with 60 Plymouth and 57 Dodge but not much between years 62-65. Without you guys it might take quite awhile to figure this out, so thanks.

This thread will be a good record for future buyers.



That gasket for the '58 is one I've never seen before and it sticks up more than the flat gasket I'm used to. I just did a '61 Belvedere sedan tank cleaning and sender refresh and it used the same flat gasket I'm used to. No issues with the lock ring going back on, I used the new gasket that came with my '60 Chrysler wagon sender I got from Vans.

Attached is a picture of the '61 Belvedere tank opening after I removed the sender showing the remainder of the old gasket.

I don't have the original '58 tank to see what it looks like but can get my friend in Australia to send me a picture of it.

I also don't know a part number for the seal that cam with the '58 sender or if it's correct.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-15 6:22 PM (#617699 - in reply to #617681)
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Here are the lockrings. The one that came with the '58 sender has impossibly steep ramps that will never work, even on the factory tank. The lock ring that came with my '60-64 wagon sender is more like the original. The second picture is the lock ring and sender in the Moparpro wagon tank without a gasket. Even without a gasket, it's very tight. I couldn't tighten it all the way with the correct lock ring wrench and didn't want to hammer it on with a drift. Plus the tabs on the lock ring are not all the same size and I had to file down one wide one in order to use the wrench at all. Wrench fit perfectly on the original lock ring.






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AceS
Posted 2021-12-16 1:24 AM (#617702 - in reply to #617681)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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Thanks Nick. Yes, tested the fit tonight of the sender unit and lock ring and even with no gasket it is impossible to get my lock ring in place with the sender in there. As you suggested, I'm not sure you can bend those tabs outward enough to make enough room and be sure the lock ring stays locked. I'm capable and willing to fix this by other means if I can sort out the gaskets required.

I have to correct myself on one thing I said previously ..... Poking around, I see that the sender flange on the tank is not actually welded in upside down as I assumed but rather stamped into the tank. It was made wrong at both inlet and outlet (for 60-61 Plymouth Wagon) from the git go. Perhaps it can be made to work with other years/senders/gaskets, but the seller says there is no problem and won't or is unable to advise.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-16 1:48 AM (#617703 - in reply to #617702)
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AceS - 2021-12-15 10:24 PM

Thanks Nick. Yes, tested the fit tonight of the sender unit and lock ring and even with no gasket it is impossible to get my lock ring in place with the sender in there. As you suggested, I'm not sure you can bend those tabs outward enough to make enough room and be sure the lock ring stays locked. I'm capable and willing to fix this by other means if I can sort out the gaskets required.

I have to correct myself on one thing I said previously ..... Poking around, I see that the sender flange on the tank is not actually welded in upside down as I assumed but rather stamped into the tank. It was made wrong at both inlet and outlet (for 60-61 Plymouth Wagon) from the git go. Perhaps it can be made to work with other years/senders/gaskets, but the seller says there is no problem and won't or is unable to advise.





Ah, I see what you mean. The only part that is welded on is the ring that the lock ring fits into.

I have three original tanks. A 1960, the one I showed above, a 1961 and a 1964. They all have the same fuel sender opening. The '64 has the o-ring style filler opening. Unfortunately all three of my original tanks have problems. The '64 one was in a demo derby car so is dented up. The '61 has rust inside, that I haven't tried cleaning out yet. The '60, which was the nicest looking tank ended up having pin holes in the bottom. I was trying to get my wagon running as quickly as possible so I ended up buying one from Moparpro after the '60 tank kept leaking. The '62 and '63 tanks are the same as the '61. O-ring filler pipe and extra ribs. These tanks fit all the full-size wagons from '60-64.

I haven't heard back from mike yet.

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ronbo97
Posted 2021-12-16 11:22 AM (#617709 - in reply to #617703)
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Will the original lock ring work on the repro tank ? If so, just reuse that.

Pinholes on original tank: Can those be brazed shut ? Or better yet, cut out the section with the pinholes and MIG weld a patch in place.

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Posted 2021-12-16 11:27 AM (#617710 - in reply to #617681)
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Better yet, cut just the section with the sender mounting ring from the old tank and weld it into the new tank. Nice new tank, correct sender mounting..
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Posted 2021-12-16 11:47 AM (#617711 - in reply to #617709)
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Will the original lock ring work on the repro tank ? If so, just reuse that.



The original lock ring won't work. The new lock ring is actually thinner material.
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Posted 2021-12-16 12:37 PM (#617712 - in reply to #617710)
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normsclassicradio - 2021-12-16 11:27 AM Better yet, cut just the section with the sender mounting ring from the old tank and weld it into the new tank. Nice new tank, correct sender mounting..

Yes, that will work as well.

But considering that the tanks cost 639 + shipping (!), they should be perfect, or at least close to it. Many folks don't have the skills to butt weld this in place. So They may be forking out hundreds more to have a shop do it, hopefully correctly.

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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-16 3:02 PM (#617714 - in reply to #617712)
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normsclassicradio - 2021-12-16 11:27 AM Better yet, cut just the section with the sender mounting ring from the old tank and weld it into the new tank. Nice new tank, correct sender mounting..

Yes, that will work as well.

But considering that the tanks cost 639 + shipping (!), they should be perfect, or at least close to it. Many folks don't have the skills to butt weld this in place. So They may be forking out hundreds more to have a shop do it, hopefully correctly.

Ron



Ron, totally agree. These things aren't cheap but are a much needed part as the wagon tanks are usually rusted out. They take a beating from debris thrown up from the tire. still waiting to hear back from Moparpro. I've promoted this tank to a lot of people but I have mentioned the fitment issue with the sender. I hate dealing with reproduction parts as there always seems to be quality issues.
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Posted 2021-12-17 11:58 PM (#617738 - in reply to #617714)
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For what it's worth, the size and shape of the tank is a decent replica. It might be ok for later cars after you rework the lock ring tabs so you can actually install the gasket/sender/pickup/lockring...... assuming you can identify and find the gasket for it.

I have started the refund process and will instead repair my spare tank or just stick with the current fuel cell.

Moving on.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-23 5:38 PM (#617857 - in reply to #617681)
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I finally heard back from Mike at Moparpro. He says there is nothing wrong and that it is an exact duplicate of the OE tank. I got all four tanks I have together and took detailed pictures. I have 1960, 1961 and 1964 tanks. They are all identical where the fuel sender goes. With the sender area recessed instead of raised. It does look like his manufacturer put the die for stamping the holes in backward. I've sent him the detailed pictures and details. The ball is now in his court. I've recommended this tank to many people but I will stop doing that until this is resolved.





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Posted 2021-12-24 12:49 AM (#617861 - in reply to #617681)
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I have a new tank for a 60 plymouth 4drht here that I bought from a supplier here (it would be from the same manufacturer)

I will go have a look after Christmas day is done and see if its the same. I bought this tank about 6 months ago. I also bought
one 4 or 5 years ago and the only trouble I had with that one was the lock ring was to savage in the ramp. I used the original one
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AceS
Posted 2021-12-26 3:24 PM (#617926 - in reply to #617857)
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To correct the gasket issue at the sender I found a Dorman gasket (comes with lock ring) that APPEARS to work with the repro tank. You will still have to cut/bend the lock rings tabs to get another 1/8"+/- of clearance to be able to fit the gasket, sender, and lock ring in there. This is not a big challenge if you can weld, just don't expect to just drop your sender unit in and go. See photo with Dorman Part #. Please note that I did NOT do a wet seal test with this as I do not want to cut the lock ring tabs off (yet?)

At the filler, the C-body grommet from eBay recommended earlier in this thread does not work. The tank opening is 2.1" and the OD of this grommet is 2.3+". You can force the grommet in there, but then the opening for the filler shrinks down from 1.95" to 1.75" when installed. Out of the car, with lube, and max force, the tank bent before the filler would go in. I don't believe it is possible to cram the 2" filler tube through the 1.75" opening, let alone being able to do it with the tank installed. The rubber simply cannot compress that much. I ordered a few other grommets but do not have them in hand to try. I may try a couple more and before sending it back.












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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-26 3:51 PM (#617927 - in reply to #617926)
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To correct the gasket issue at the sender I found a Dorman gasket (comes with lock ring) that APPEARS to work with the repro tank. You will still have to cut/bend the lock rings tabs to get another 1/8"+/- of clearance to be able to fit the gasket, sender, and lock ring in there. This is not a big challenge if you can weld, just don't expect to just drop your sender unit in and go. See photo with Dorman Part #. Please note that I did NOT do a wet seal test with this as I do not want to cut the lock ring tabs off (yet?)

At the filler, the C-body grommet from eBay recommended earlier in this thread does not work. The tank opening is 2.1" and the OD of this grommet is 2.3+". You can force the grommet in there, but then the opening for the filler shrinks down from 1.95" to 1.75" when installed. Out of the car, with lube, and max force, the tank bent before the filler would go in. I don't believe it is possible to cram the 2" filler tube through the 1.75" opening, let alone being able to do it with the tank installed. The rubber simply cannot compress that much. I ordered a few other grommets but do not have them in hand to try. I may try a couple more and before sending it back.



The fuel sender opening in your tank is stamped the right direction. Recessed where the sender goes in instead of raised like on the tank I got from Moparpro. I think they have a mix of stampings as someone else told me they had to add a spacer in addition to the lock ring and gasket to make it work on the wagon tank they got from them.

The part number on the filler pipe grommet on the '64 tank is 2208472. It fits my 1960 filler pipe fine. That's the number I used to look for a new one but it looks like the wrong application.

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AceS
Posted 2021-12-26 7:07 PM (#617931 - in reply to #617927)
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To correct the gasket issue at the sender I found a Dorman gasket (comes with lock ring) that APPEARS to work with the repro tank. You will still have to cut/bend the lock rings tabs to get another 1/8"+/- of clearance to be able to fit the gasket, sender, and lock ring in there. This is not a big challenge if you can weld, just don't expect to just drop your sender unit in and go. See photo with Dorman Part #. Please note that I did NOT do a wet seal test with this as I do not want to cut the lock ring tabs off (yet?)

At the filler, the C-body grommet from eBay recommended earlier in this thread does not work. The tank opening is 2.1" and the OD of this grommet is 2.3+". You can force the grommet in there, but then the opening for the filler shrinks down from 1.95" to 1.75" when installed. Out of the car, with lube, and max force, the tank bent before the filler would go in. I don't believe it is possible to cram the 2" filler tube through the 1.75" opening, let alone being able to do it with the tank installed. The rubber simply cannot compress that much. I ordered a few other grommets but do not have them in hand to try. I may try a couple more and before sending it back.



The fuel sender opening in your tank is stamped the right direction. Recessed where the sender goes in instead of raised like on the tank I got from Moparpro. I think they have a mix of stampings as someone else told me they had to add a spacer in addition to the lock ring and gasket to make it work on the wagon tank they got from them.

The part number on the filler pipe grommet on the '64 tank is 2208472. It fits my 1960 filler pipe fine. That's the number I used to look for a new one but it looks like the wrong application.


No. The repro tank is stamped with the sealing relief facing inward, my OEM tank is facing outward. The repro tank is NOT the same as my OEM tank. See pics. No matter - there appears to be a solution with the Dorman gasket and by cutting/bending the lock ring tabs outward.

The Chinese grommet from eBay https://amzn.to/3ytdme7 (not 2208472) mentioned earlier in this thread fit my filler until it was crammed into the tank... and then it does not. I have not tried 22008472. It fits your filler, but does it still fit your filler after it is installed in the tank hole?






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AceS
Posted 2021-12-26 7:13 PM (#617932 - in reply to #617681)
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... and can you still get 2208472 anywhere?
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Posted 2021-12-26 8:28 PM (#617934 - in reply to #617681)
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Now I can see how it's made on yours. It's hard to get a picture that shows the direction of the stamping as at certain angles it looks the other way.

I just went and measured the holes between the '64 Dodge 880 wagon tank I have and the Moparpro one and it is 1/8" different between the two. I have a filler pipe from a '64 Chrysler wagon and it's the same size as my '60 Chrysler wagon one although the shape is different due to differences in the body. I'll have to go through and make a list of the different filler pipes for an interchange.

The grommet I showed earlier came from the '64 Dodge 880 tank.



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Posted 2021-12-27 12:28 AM (#617936 - in reply to #617681)
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I too purchased one of the MoparPro reproduction station wagon tanks about 12 months ago back when they first became available.

Like all wagons my project had a damaged tank and from past experience with repro parts being discontinued figured it would be smart to have one before that happened. That and a friend recommending the tank after they had purchased one. Anyway except for taking the repro tank out of the box to visually inspect next to the original have not tried to install it or any of the related parts; filler neck or locking ring for sender.

In order to provide more info I will take the tank out and check the areas in question including some pictures for comparison to the other repro tanks in the thread. In addition, like Nicks Garage I have several other original station wagon tanks from both 1960 and 61 to use for reference.

Definitely agree that the manufacturer should ensure that repro tank is correct to fit without owners having to make modifications.



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NicksGarage
Posted 2021-12-27 10:38 AM (#617943 - in reply to #617681)
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So far I'm not getting much help from Moparpro. Here is his last message about it.

"Ok, thanks for the clarification. im sorry this is like this but the tank maker assures me this is how the sample was..."

I did ask him if he had actually tried to install a sending unit in one of these tanks but he did not answer that question.

I'm told that most of the reproduction tanks on the market are made by Spectra in Canada. I sent them a message about this one but haven't heard anything back.

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Posted 2021-12-27 11:08 AM (#617944 - in reply to #617943)
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Can you call Spectra directly ?

 

I think a merchant should stand behind their product. That is the sign of a good business person. I know in the past when I've purchased from Andy Bernbaum, if I wasn't satisfied for any reason, he would take it back. I'm pretty sure Chris, who now owns Bernbaums, would do the same.

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Posted 2021-12-28 6:27 PM (#617992 - in reply to #617681)
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Still won't answer my question if he tried to put a sender in one. This is his reply after I sent him the pictures of the fuel filter hole. I told him to issue a call tag to return it since it's not going to work.


"Thanks for the info. but im not sure how to help i spoke to the factory and they said the tank is identical to the sample that was sent. im sure there was a few variations."
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Posted 2021-12-28 8:11 PM (#617997 - in reply to #617681)
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Here are all the parts book listings. All the same part number except for the 1964 but that's because of the fuel filler pipe design change.





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ronbo97
Posted 2021-12-28 10:20 PM (#617999 - in reply to #617992)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help


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NicksGarage - 2021-12-28 6:27 PM. "Thanks for the info. but im not sure how to help i spoke to the factory and they said the tank is identical to the sample that was sent. im sure there was a few variations."

They always say that, since they have a large chunk of money invested it this venture. If he doesn't issue the tag, then call your credit card company.

Ron

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AceS
Posted 2022-02-09 11:42 PM (#619240 - in reply to #617681)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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FYI - purchased available C-body, E-body, and B-body 2" filler grommets to try on this tank and none of them work. DO NOT BUY THIS TANK unless you are prepared to cut it apart and fix it properly.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2022-02-09 11:54 PM (#619242 - in reply to #617999)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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ronbo97 - 2021-12-28 7:20 PM

NicksGarage - 2021-12-28 6:27 PM. "Thanks for the info. but im not sure how to help i spoke to the factory and they said the tank is identical to the sample that was sent. im sure there was a few variations."

They always say that, since they have a large chunk of money invested it this venture. If he doesn't issue the tag, then call your credit card company.

Ron



BTW, he dragged out the process so long that I can no longer dispute the credit card charge. He also asked me to buy it outside of eBay to avoid the fees so I have no protection there. My own fault.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2022-03-04 3:42 PM (#619990 - in reply to #617681)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help



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Finally shipped the tank back to Moparpro today. Took a lot of hassle and comments on his facebook posts. He claimed he wasn't ignoring me. Got him to issue a shipping label. Now just to wait and see what it takes to get a refund.
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ronbo97
Posted 2022-03-04 3:59 PM (#619993 - in reply to #619990)
Subject: Re: 60-61 Wagon Gas Tank Reproduction Help


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In the Forward Look group on facebook, Ryan Richards suggested a large rubber grommet (available on Amazon) that may overcome the issue you had with the tank. If you buy another tank, get it from Vans. Ask them to send you a photo of the inlet first. Theirs may be different than Mopar 'Pro'.

Ron

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NicksGarage
Posted 2022-03-04 4:01 PM (#619994 - in reply to #619993)
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ronbo97 - 2022-03-04 12:59 PM

In the Forward Look group on facebook, Ryan Richards suggested a large rubber grommet (available on Amazon) that may overcome the issue you had with the tank. If you buy another tank, get it from Vans. Ask them to send you a photo of the inlet first. Theirs may be different than Mopar 'Pro'.

Ron



The grommet that fits the tank doesn't fit the filler tube. The hole in the tank is undersized. Currently Moparpro is the only one who makes this tank. Of course the other issue with the tank is that the fuel sender doesn't fit either.
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Posted 2022-03-04 5:03 PM (#619998 - in reply to #619994)
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NicksGarage - 2022-03-04 4:01 PM

 The grommet that fits the tank doesn't fit the filler tube. The hole in the tank is undersized. Currently Moparpro is the only one who makes this tank. Of course the other issue with the tank is that the fuel sender doesn't fit either.

Oh that sucks. I would hunt around for an original tank then. It may be hard. But check the parts books for interchanges. It may be the same, 60-64. I don't know the later stuff past '59.

I've had to look under a lot of rocks for parts. But they turn up eventually.

Ron

 

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NicksGarage
Posted 2022-03-04 5:58 PM (#620000 - in reply to #619998)
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ronbo97 - 2022-03-04 2:03 PM

NicksGarage - 2022-03-04 4:01 PM

 The grommet that fits the tank doesn't fit the filler tube. The hole in the tank is undersized. Currently Moparpro is the only one who makes this tank. Of course the other issue with the tank is that the fuel sender doesn't fit either.

Oh that sucks. I would hunt around for an original tank then. It may be hard. But check the parts books for interchanges. It may be the same, 60-64. I don't know the later stuff past '59.

I've had to look under a lot of rocks for parts. But they turn up eventually.

Ron

 



The 1960-64 tanks interchange with the 1964 ones having the change to a grommet for the filler pipe. The 1960 tanks have less ribs on the sides but otherwise the same. I have a 1961 tank in the car now. Yes, they are hard to find. There is a need for a reproduction, but it needs to be made right.
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Posted 2022-03-05 2:15 AM (#620012 - in reply to #619990)
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Good luck, Nick. I hope you are successful. It should not have taken that amount of effort.

Of course they continue to advertise these tanks to the next round of unsuspecting buyers rather than dealing with the manufacturing flaws. At bare minimum, they should be informing buyers of the problems they now know about....... but chasing dollars will exhaust a weaker man's honesty.
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NicksGarage
Posted 2022-03-21 10:47 PM (#620390 - in reply to #620012)
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I contacted him a week after it was delivered back to him. After a little back and forth, he sent me a check. It had been too long for him to credit my credit card.
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