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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-06-22 2:22 PM (#622293)
Subject: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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My 1955 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer with 270 Hemi motor & Powerflite transmission (VIN# 34957278) rebuild project has been on hold for quite a while. Mainly the delay is due to limited funds from my work load decreasing from coming down with with an aggressive type of Parkinsons with Bradykinesia & Aticinesia symptoms that has been difficult to treat. A new but very expensive drug developed in Japan has helped.

The Dodge has been in storage for quite a while and has blocked access to an old 1987 BMW 325I that has been stored behind the Dodge. We gave the old BMW to our son who is going to restore it. Last week he made plans to have the BMW flatbed towed
to a friends garage to start the restoration, prompting me to get the Dodge off the jack stands and move it. I also have a 1955 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer 4 door sedan that is used as a "parts car" that I want to put where the BMW was for storage. This kind of got the ball rolling to restart the engine rebuilding project. With the help of our son and his friend we got the Dodge towed out and brought it up to the house so that I could wash & wax it. Hear are some pictures after cleaning and waxing.



I am planning on rebuilding this engine back to stock but with some upgrades. I came across a post in Forward look about a 1953 or a 1954 Green Dodge convertible with a 241 that went through a detailed rebuild that included a modified reground camshaft with adjustable push rods and 10/1 custom forged pistons (using rebuilt stock rods) along with a recurved dual point distributer & other modifications. I do not recall who this was but can find the post. I would like to follow to a degree what was done to the 241 hemi since his report after putting it all back and test driving resulted in very noticeable power and pickup along with better gas milage. Anyway, I am going to use my block which will need a .020 rebore to clean up the cylinders. A sonic test did not reveal any weak areas especially in the thrust areas.

The crankshaft rod journals from my engine were scored pretty bad when a bearing went out and sent metal filings throughout. The worst rod journal (#6) measured at 1.920 and (#5) measured at 1.931. Factory specifications for rod journals is 1.9365 - 1.9375. If my math is correct then 1.9365 - 1.920 = .0165" I assume that the journal would need to be ground down 0.020" to clean it up.. If my math is correct then all of the rod journal then need to be ground by 0.020". I do not know what undersize rod bearings are available. I have two other 270 hemi crankshafts & the worst rod journal is 1.8950". 1.9365 - 1.8950 = 0.0415". Not sure if this can be reground more than 0.040". The local shop in my area near Charlottesville VA no longer turns crankshafts (he retired). There is a NAPA in Richmond that can regrind but the mechanic who normally does this just left and went to another shop out of town. I do not like the idea of turning the rod journals more than 0.010" . I heard that new metal can be sprayed back on the journals, reground to factory specifications and re-hardened. I am sure this is pricy but at least it's an option if all else fails. I did come across a site that does this type of work but they only work on heavy duty industrial motors.

Does anyone suggest a company to rebuild my crankshaft or might have a spare crankshaft if the one I have is not repairable? Any input and or suggestions on rebuilding the 270 would be great. This site has some great people who have helped me out in the past.. Many thanks




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57chizler
Posted 2022-06-22 2:45 PM (#622294 - in reply to #622293)
Subject: RE: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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'55-3Hemi - 2022-06-22 11:22 AM

I do not like the idea of turning the rod journals more than 0.010" .


Why? Crank journals are routinely turned a lot more that that for stroker builds and block swapping. Undersized bearing availability is the limiting factor.
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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-06-22 3:38 PM (#622297 - in reply to #622294)
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I just thought it would make the crank weaker by taking off material. I have read that these Dodge crankshafts had some problems with cracking. It is unusual for a V-8 engine not to have a vibration damper. I do want to have the rotating assembly fully balanced. I am just not familiar with how much material one can take off a crankshaft for resurfacing before it becomes compromised.

I have built severable motors in the past but used new crankshafts & bearings. From what I can tell, there are no "new" crankshafts made for the 270 hemi. This is all new for me. You do bring up a good point about stroker builds.

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Mopar1
Posted 2022-06-23 5:55 PM (#622336 - in reply to #622297)
Subject: Re: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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low deck forging numbers 1402538, 1402625, 1483338, 1671108, 1731658, 1932610. part numbers 1328372(1T) soft, 1671108(T) medium, 1484100(T) hard. Advertised C/R is 7.6:1, that is probably optimistic. Hot Heads makes dampers to retrofit, lacking them no doubt contributed to the problem. Problem primarily for those racing at Bonnieville, if just a street engine should be good. Spare crank: Check with Gary at Quality Engineered Components, watch EBay, the HAMB for sale & the Hot Heads classifieds.
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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-06-29 12:42 PM (#622457 - in reply to #622293)
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I found the post of the Dodge with the 241 hemi that was rebuilt. IT was "dodge59" under the subject title "rod knock in my 241 hemi".  This is an excellant post of which I would like to follow with my 270 hemi rebuild.  I am sure that a majority of what was done to his 241 can be applied to to my 270. 

I did find a shop in Richmond not far from me to regrind the crank, I just need to find the best crankshaft  with the least amount to regrind.. I do have a question, however.  Is there a better particular crankshaft cast # to choose from. I have three of which one is from my convertible # 1671108, the other is in my parts car which the motor is still in the car but that i know has bad journals due to it's low oil pressure. The third is from a 270 motor I purchased from E-Bay that is in storage (This motor was bored 0.060" but a sonic test measured very thin walls in several cylinders in the THRUST portion - I found this out after it was purchased) .  I just need to get it out and obtain the number. 

I am also going to talk with this shop to see if they are familiar with early hemi rebuilds..  This offically starts the process for my rebuild





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Mopar1
Posted 2022-06-29 3:22 PM (#622465 - in reply to #622457)
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Functionally other than bore width there's little difference between the 241 & 270.
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Posted 2022-06-29 3:38 PM (#622466 - in reply to #622465)
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In your opinion, would it be worthwile to do a engine block main bearing alignment bore hone.. Is this an expensive prochedure? 

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Posted 2022-06-29 3:49 PM (#622467 - in reply to #622465)
Subject: Re: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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Mopar1 - 2022-06-29 12:22 PM
Functionally other than bore width there's little difference between the 241 & 270.


3.4375 vs 3.625 (Same deck height = can use 273-360 LA engine electronic distributors)



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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-06-29 4:16 PM (#622470 - in reply to #622467)
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Thanks 56D500boy, Mopar 1 and others for the reply about the same functionally of the 241 & 270 except for the bore size. This will be of a great help when going over what dodge59 did for his rebuild..

I have been digging out the various parts I have been working on for this rebuild but want to check if I have the right distributer for recurving the advance. Here is a photo





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Posted 2022-06-29 4:22 PM (#622471 - in reply to #622470)
Subject: Re: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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IAZ 4003F 6 Volt dual point distributor for a 1955 Dodge V8, PN 1641 956.

What do you need to know?

I would wonder:

1. Will it work on 12 Volts?
2. Will a Pertronix 12V conversion work?

The answer to No. 2 is apparently "YES"

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73765&...

Or you can just use an "LA" electronic distributor (because the deck height on a 270 is the same as the LA engines)

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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-06-29 4:34 PM (#622472 - in reply to #622471)
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Planning on keeping the 6 volt electrical system which limits my options. Need to go over in detail what dodge59 did to recurve his dist.  I just wanted to know if I had the correct dist. to start with. I brushed over when reading dodge59's if he had any luck in using the petronic (spelling?) 6 volt version 

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Posted 2022-06-29 5:41 PM (#622473 - in reply to #622472)
Subject: Re: 270 Hemi Crankshaft cast number 1671108



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'55-3Hemi - 2022-06-29 1:34 PM
Planning on keeping the 6 volt electrical system which limits my options. Need to go over in detail what dodge59 did to recurve his dist.  I just wanted to know if I had the correct dist. to start with. I brushed over when reading dodge59's if he had any luck in using the peRtronic (spelling?) 6 volt version


Rob - 2020-09-21 3:09 PM
Pertronix will work on a 6 volt system, I have Pertronix in my '55 Dodge, I replaced the dual points with Pertronix.


REFERENCE:

Ignition Points for 1955 Dual Point Distributor

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73765&...


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Mopar1
Posted 2022-07-01 9:10 AM (#622509 - in reply to #622473)
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As was said above, unless you want "the look", an LA points or electronic dizzy is a bolt in.
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Posted 2022-07-02 11:52 AM (#622532 - in reply to #622473)
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I went to the Pertronix site and came up with this for the dual point conversion for my Auto-lite disrtibutor

 

https://pertronixbrands.com/products/pertronix-1385lsp6-ignitor-chrysler-dual-point-8-cyl-6-volt-pos-grd

 

 



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Posted 2022-07-02 1:02 PM (#622537 - in reply to #622532)
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'55-3Hemi - 2022-07-02 8:52 AM
I went to the Pertronix site and came up with this for the dual point conversion for my Auto-lite distributor
https://pertronixbrands.com/products/pertronix-1385lsp6-ignitor-chry...


Make sure by contacting Pertronix on Tuesday. I see P6 in the part number. However, I do NOT see any mention of either 6 Volts or Positive ground in their comments:

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Posted 2022-07-02 1:57 PM (#622541 - in reply to #622537)
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Need to download insruction manual for that part. It mentions 6 volts, positive ground application.

I added a pdf attachment below but could not open it to view on this post

 



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Posted 2022-07-02 3:31 PM (#622544 - in reply to #622541)
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'55-3Hemi - 2022-07-02 10:57 AM

Need to download instruction manual for that part. It mentions 6 volts, positive ground application.

I added a pdf attachment below but could not open it to view on this post



The pdf link works fine. BUT your attempt at posting the pdf contents created a nasty amount of meaningless chaff. Links good. Chaff bad.

"6-Volt Positive Ground Instructions For Part Number: 1385LSP6"



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Posted 2022-07-02 6:01 PM (#622546 - in reply to #622544)
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I removed the pdf., Thanks for the heads up

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Posted 2022-07-02 7:50 PM (#622550 - in reply to #622546)
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'55-3Hemi - 2022-07-02 3:01 PM
I removed the pdf., Thanks for the heads up


The pdf link was fine. It was what I think you tried to copy and paste the contents of the pdf into your post, where it got real ugly.

Link: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/6913/4628/files/1385LSP6.pdf



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Posted 2022-07-04 2:55 PM (#622612 - in reply to #622550)
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I took the crankshaft out of storage from the 270 hemi I purchased on E-Bay (Has the same cast number as the convertible engine - 1671108)  Cleand up the rod jornals which looked real bad with heavy score marks.  The worst journal was for piston #5 on the #5/#6 journal which measured 1.880"   1.9375 - 1.880 = 0.0575"  If my math is correct (0.575") is to much to have turned.  Do they even make under size bearings for 0.060" ? measurements of 4 areas around the journal indicated that it was sort of egg shaped. I'll post some pictures later.  I do not think this would be a good canidate to be machined.   

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Posted 2022-07-05 4:49 PM (#622652 - in reply to #622612)
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Should you decide you need any engine parts, I am working to help clean out a warehouse of cars and parts with a friend. The person that accumulated all these parts was a huge fan of Hemis, and he had 28 of them. Most of them are low deck Dodge 241s and 270s. One of them I've identified is a complete '55 270 with a 4-barrel carburetor and all the parts for a manual trans setup. I thought that one was pretty interesting. Just let me know and we can discuss. Parts are all located in central Texas.
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Posted 2022-07-05 7:41 PM (#622658 - in reply to #622293)
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I know of someone looking for a 270 Dodge block. Let me know if he is willing to ship and his info.
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'55-3Hemi
Posted 2022-09-20 9:23 AM (#624361 - in reply to #622293)
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Update - not good news about my cylinder heads for there were several cracks found. One major crack was found in the combustion chamber dish from the exhaust valve to the to the face of the head. There were numerous spider like cracks from the cooling water holes. I highlighted the cracks with a black marker. Can these type of cracks be repaired or is this head just a boat anchor?





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Posted 2022-09-20 3:41 PM (#624372 - in reply to #622293)
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It might be fixable, but probably not worth it. Best to look for a new head. The 241-270 heads are more plentiful than the 315-325 heads.
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Posted 2022-09-21 3:08 PM (#624396 - in reply to #624372)
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you can use high or low decks heads as long as a matched set. The high deck heads have bigger ports & valves. Some prefer the low deck that supposedly have higher speed port flow.
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