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57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Hi guys, On my ‘57 Fireflite, all outside marker lights come on as expected when turning the headlight switch to the first position (no headlights); when the headlights go on, the front marker lights only turn off. Turn signals work under all conditions but I think the front marker lights should be on when the headlights are, correct? Before I remove the switch and attempt a rebuild, I wanted to check my logic with you all here. Is there another potential culprit I’m not thinking of? From the manual, on the switch there appears another place for a wire to go into just below where the yellow wire for the markers go. Curious about that one. -Jimbo | ||
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Expert Posts: 4036 Location: Connecticut | What do you mean by 'marker lights' ? There are no marker lights on Desotos. Also, yes, the parking lights do go off when the headlights go on. Ron Edited by ronbo97 2022-10-07 6:47 PM | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Thanks, Ronbo Marker lights aka running lights, parking lights. Reminds me of another comment on another thread about not having all lights on the rear towers illuminate when brakes applied. Good to know this is an intentional design. Don’t know that I agree with it but what do I know? Thanks again, Jimbo | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9654 Location: So. Cal | Yes, all the old cars turn off the front park lights once the headlights go on. I personally didn't like that either, so I connected the front park light wire to my rear tail lights. Now they are on with the headlights too. I also made both top and bottom rear lights function for both brake and running lights. http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60274 (58FF Park Lights.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58FF Park Lights.jpg (113KB - 79 downloads) | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Thanks Powerflite! I’m going to have to work on the tail lights later. I endeavor to finish one project before beginning another… not always successful but anyway… Had the same thought about connecting the front park wire at the switch to the tail lights wire (also at the switch). Is that what you did? I only hesitated because I wasn’t sure if the extra draw on the one terminal of the switch would cause any problems… Thanks again, Jimbo | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9654 Location: So. Cal | Yes, that's what I did - make the connection at the headlight switch. I'm running LED's on the back so I'm not worried about current draw. | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Sweet. I’ll give that a try — still running incandescents on the back, though. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . For the rears, I got additional 2 pin sockets from John at Big M and created a harness to use the existing brake and turn signal wiring to run two 2-pin bulbs per side, using the normal taillight position and the former back-up light location. I also added United Pacific 2 pin RED LED bulbs which I have been very happy with. https://upcarparts.com/high-power-dual-led-1156-bulb-white-36928cfg?... (and then select RED) REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64943&... Edited by 56D500boy 2022-10-09 2:30 AM | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Excellent! I’ve had bad luck with LEDs but am willing to give this a try! Here’s my shopping list: 1. https://www.superbrightleds.com/1157-led-bulb-dual-function-27-smd-l... (x2) 2. Which flasher would be best? https://www.superbrightleds.com/vehicle-lights/motorcycle/flashers-l... - I presume one of the two prong ones…? 3. Would anyone happen to have John at Big M contact info? I searched and didn’t see anything…. Will need 4 sockets. While I’m back there, may as well swap out the reverse lights with LEDs, too: https://www.superbrightleds.com/1156-led-light-bulb-51-smd-led-tower... Thanks for the great idea! I’m actually now a bit more comfortable tying front parking lights into rears for when headlights are on. | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Big M: http://www.bigmauto.com/ I used a Tridon brand electronic flasher with my LED taillights. (56DodgeWithTriDonBrandElectronicFlasher.jpg) (56DodgeSignalLightAndHornWiringConnectorsIn55WindsorConnectorClip_Annotated.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeWithTriDonBrandElectronicFlasher.jpg (183KB - 87 downloads) 56DodgeSignalLightAndHornWiringConnectorsIn55WindsorConnectorClip_Annotated.jpg (173KB - 94 downloads) | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Thanks for the helpful pics and links, 56D500 — stuff has been ordered! Poweflite — my first attempt did not work: I tested by jumping tail lights terminal (since it’s hot with and without headlights) to parking lights wire (disconnected from the parking lights terminal. I would have thought that’d work… How did you do it? | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9654 Location: So. Cal | The tail lights shouldn't be hot when the headlights are off. Something is wrong there. The pink map lights are always hot. Here is the wiring on my headlight switch. Keep in mind that all the colors & positions are likely completely different on a '57, so you have to check your wiring diagram. But on mine, the (orange wire) dimmer function wasn't working. I didn't want to tear it apart to fix it, so I connected a short jumper from the (black) tail lights to the extra spade on the dimmer junction. There are 3 spades available there. I used a dual jumper on the last spade and connected both the tail lights & park lamps to it. I could have soldered the wires together to avoid having to use the dual jumper, but I wanted it to be easily reversible in case I changed my mind about it. This arrangement applied power to the dead dimmer spade whenever the taillights were lit, and that lit: 1. the dash lights, 2. the front park lights, 3. the tail lights, all from that same junction. (58FF Headlight Switch Wiring Notes.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58FF Headlight Switch Wiring Notes.jpg (143KB - 86 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 57Fireflite - 2022-10-09 4:21 PM Thanks for the helpful pics and links, 56D500 — stuff has been ordered! Powerflite — my first attempt did not work: I tested by jumping tail lights terminal (since it’s hot with and without headlights) to parking lights wire (disconnected from the parking lights terminal. I would have thought that’d work…. The rear running lights are NOT hot all the time. Only with the headlight switch moved to PARK or ON. The brake light switch is hot all the time. Maybe you have them confused?? | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7395 Location: northern germany | Powerflite - 2022-10-08 8:05 PM Yes, all the old cars turn off the front park lights once the headlights go on. I personally didn't like that either, so I connected the front park light wire to my rear tail lights. Now they are on with the headlights too. I also made both top and bottom rear lights function for both brake and running lights. http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60274 Why did you connect the front park lights with the taillights and not with the front headlights? The distance is alot shorter. Maybe the wiring is different from 58 to 60, I guess? I'm not a big fan of the square 60 Plymouth park lights, so I ran a wire from the outer headlights low beam to the park lights in the inner headlights (not sealed beams), so you can see it's dual headlights, with just the low beams on. Edited by 1960fury 2022-10-09 8:46 PM (midniteexpress.jpg) Attachments ---------------- midniteexpress.jpg (26KB - 87 downloads) | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9654 Location: So. Cal | True, you could make the connection at the junction block on the radiator support. I did it the way I did because I was already messing with the headlight switch. | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Correct —tail lights are not always hot... Apologies for the confusion. Due to my newness, I had not even thought of working via the junction block! I interpret the suggestion as running a wire between the low beam (black with white tracer) on the junction block to the (yellow) wire/park lights on the block*, correct? Thinking on this, wouldn’t the power from yellow wire also then illuminate the low beams in the park position? If so, to avoid this, then I ought to remove the yellow wire from the light switch to keep the current flowing in one direction. I think. I appreciate everyone’s thoughts, inspiration and help- and again, my apologies. I’ll do better. * these colors are per a wiring diagram I have; wire colors and locations on my car don’t always agree with said diagram. | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Solution to getting front park lights to stay on when headlights (low and high beam) are on: Blue (should be yellow) wire to park lights was soldered to tail lights wire (black) and voila — park lights are on in park and on (low or high beam) at all times. Thanks for the assist — this week, I’ll put the LED’s in the back. Attachments ---------------- E759D750-4282-42F9-A76C-47FA06080285.jpeg (238KB - 83 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . But are they also signal lights when called on to be such? | ||
ToMopar |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1157 Location: D-70199 Heslach | Both of my 57 Fireflites turn off the front park lights once the headlights go on. On later mopars (1969) its different. | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | @56D500boy — yessir. 1,000% in all combinations and cases. My 55 Stude Speedster has parking lights on when headlights are on… | ||
57Fireflite |
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Regular Posts: 59 | Thanks everyone for the advice and inspiration — today, I finished an upgrade to the tail lights. Shown here are the new and improved parking lights. Through a series of relays, diodes, and red/white switchback LEDs, I have much more visible tail lights! Attachments ---------------- 0819888A-2658-4201-ABFC-C7A6C599A9F8.jpeg (174KB - 92 downloads) | ||
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