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56D500boy
Posted 2023-02-09 1:55 AM (#627459)
Subject: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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As part of a long-postponed project, I have the need to remove and replace a solid lifter in my 56 D500 hemi engine.

I will be removing the intake manifold (I have previously removed and replaced the intake manifold bolts) and then the lifter galley cover.

I will also remove the push rod in question before attemping (?) to remove the lifter in question (suspected to be hydraulic lifter).

I have watched videos by "Uncle Tony" when he has described the goodness of a 318 poly engine and captured images of the exposed poly lifter gallery. It looks like there is lots of room to slide a lifter up and out of its bore.

However, I recently discovered that I also have a photo of a 315 hemi lifter gallery and it looks way way (impossibly?) tight. Maybe it is just a poor photo (??)

I don't want to open up a can of worms that I can't close again.

These photos:



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dels56
Posted 2023-02-09 8:29 AM (#627461 - in reply to #627459)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?


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Hi Dave, the job of removing the lifter once you have manifold, valley cover, valve covers, rocker arms and push rods out of the way is or should be relatively easy. You do need a Valve Lifter Removing Tool. This you use to reach down through the pushrod hole. The tool is made to expand and grab the top edge of the lifter so you ca pull them up and out. The one I had, had a slide hammer so you could give a bit of a tap, tap as there typically was crud buildup on the lower end of the lifter that had to scrape off as you pulled the lifter up. Also a bit of twist and turn is required.

I pulled engines apart where the camshaft had worn badly due to lack of lubrication and messed up the bottom of the lifter. Then the lifter needed to go out downward. Sometimes the lifter bore wears a bit and an oversized lifter was required.

Before putting the new lifters in you need to fill/prime them. Set the lifter in a can of engine oil and use a pushrod to push the inner part of the lifter down, then let it come up, do this a number of times to pump the lifter full. You will know when it full as you won’t be able to push it down.

When you have the old lifter out, set new/old side by side and check to make sure the oil groove is the same height. You can take the lifters apart by removing the snap ring and clean them. It has been a long time since I did this so I may have missed a point but I’m sure you get the drift.

I have no idea what oil was in my engine when I got the car so I picked up Lucas Racing, High Zink and dumped that in.

Have fun, Del
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Mopar1
Posted 2023-02-09 9:17 AM (#627462 - in reply to #627461)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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"Before putting the new lifters in you need to fill/prime them. Set the lifter in a can of engine oil and use a pushrod to push the inner part of the lifter down, then let it come up, do this a number of times to pump the lifter full. You will know when it full as you won’t be able to push it down." On a solid?
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-02-09 11:33 AM (#627464 - in reply to #627461)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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Del: Thanks for that. I don't have such a tool. I have been accused of being one, but I don't have one per se. Do I hear McGyver calling?

I am a bit concerned/scared that the bottom of the lifter in question is mushroomed. That will be a killer.

I don't know how poly rockers work with a single rocker shaft but with a Gen 1 double rocker hemi, the rockers are held in position by a spring. As a result, once I have loosened the adjustment screw enough, I will be able so slide the rocker over to the side (and probably wire it there while I mess with the push rod and lifter).



On my D500 double rocker 315 hemi the lifters are solid. I have a new one to use (after I clean them up) so I won't need to do any of that pumping up stuff (which was good to know for my next engine (I like the idea of the 57 325 D500 hemi with its hydraulic lifters and camshaft).



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samstrader
Posted 2023-02-09 2:24 PM (#627469 - in reply to #627459)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?


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I accidentally pulled a lifter out of the hole with a magnet from the top of the head. I have a magnet that fits through the push rod hole and will pull a lifter out real easy. But my lifters were not stuck or mushroomed.
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dels56
Posted 2023-02-09 11:42 PM (#627483 - in reply to #627459)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?


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Dave. There are lifter pullers on Amazon, cheap.
Taking the rockers off is easy. When you put it back together, adjusting the valves is a different story. We can cover that when you are further along.

Del
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56D500boy
Posted 2023-02-10 2:15 AM (#627486 - in reply to #627483)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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dels56 - 2023-02-09 8:42 PM
Taking the rockers off is easy. When you put it back together, adjusting the valves is a different story. We can cover that when you are further along.
Del


Del: On a Gen 1 double rocker hemi, the bolts that hold the rocker shafts down *ARE* the headbolts (See the photo above). This is in contrast to the poly engine where the rocker shaft is held to the head separately from the head bolts (see photo below - which should be the same as your 315 poly).

My 315 D500 hemi's case, I just need to slide the No. 8 Intake rocker over (after backing off the adjuster enough) and then pull the pushrod out. Not sure if I can get either your suggested lifter puller or Sam's suggested magic (on a wand) down the push rod hole.

As for the solid lifter valve adjustment, I went through this before (back in 2017). Since my engine is a hemi, I could determine TDC by pulling the spark plug out and using a long screw driver or a wooden dowel to determine when the piston was in a position (all the way) up and both intake and exhaust valves were fully closed. At least that is the way I did it back then. Engine was cold (ish) (about 20 C)

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65823&...





Edited by 56D500boy 2023-02-10 2:19 AM




(56DodgePolyEngineWithIntakeAndValveCoversOff.jpg)



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56D500boy
Posted 2023-03-10 7:37 PM (#628186 - in reply to #627459)
Subject: RE: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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Based on this photo, I am now convinced that I WILL NOT be able to remove a lifter in my 315 hemi without removing the head. I am NOW convinced that the lifters can not be removed or installed without the head being off.

The large holes in the block at the push rod positions are for the lifters.

(Ignore the "LOOK". I have no idea what that is about)



Previous photo but the holes were not as obvious as those above:





Edited by 56D500boy 2023-03-10 9:05 PM
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Powerflite
Posted 2023-03-10 8:18 PM (#628187 - in reply to #627459)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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Dave, I have no idea why you have come to that erroneous conclusion. I replaced the lifters on my 325 poly already and didn't remove the heads.

1. Remove intake & valve covers.
2. Remove or loosen rockers.
3. Remove valley cover.
4. Remove pushrod upward.
5. Remove lifter inside the valley area. You can't take it through the head anyway. It comes out in the valley area.

This is a picture of my engine when I did this work.



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56D500boy
Posted 2023-03-11 12:44 PM (#628194 - in reply to #628187)
Subject: Re: Any "Gotchas" when removing a solid lifter from an exposed lifter gallery?



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Powerflite - 2023-03-10 5:18 PM
Dave, I have no idea why you have come to that erroneous conclusion. I replaced the lifters on my 325 poly already and didn't remove the heads.
5. Remove lifter inside the valley area. You can't take it through the head anyway. It comes out in the valley area.


I guess I am basing my "erroneous" conclusion on the fact that, from all the photos that I have seen to date, including yours now, I cannot see where there is enough room
to manipulate the lifter up and out of the lifter bore.

If you have done it with your 325 poly, I will have to assume that I will be able to do it with my 315 wide-head, double-rocker, D500 hemi.

Here is a photo of your 325 poly turned 90 deg. and a D500 engine that I found photos of on eBay. Maybe maybe maybe I can see what I need to see and accept, i.e it is doable.





Edited by 56D500boy 2023-03-11 1:28 PM




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