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Motorvator
Posted 2023-02-23 2:30 PM (#627787)
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https://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/vehicle/ndy/1791/1957-chrysler-ne...

This car has been listed for $48k for nearly a year. A couple of days ago, they reduced the price to $42k. What is it really worth? $35k? I would love it for my family of five...



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Powerflite
Posted 2023-02-23 4:42 PM (#627788 - in reply to #627787)
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Yeah, my guess is in the low 30's. A 4dr hardtop would be a fun car to drive around. If you are into building one, I know of a project for sale.
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Posted 2023-02-23 4:55 PM (#627790 - in reply to #627787)
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Yes, I am looking for something to drive and this looks like a great candidate. I'm not looking for a project, thanks though.
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Posted 2023-02-23 5:32 PM (#627791 - in reply to #627787)
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In my opinion, at $42000.00, you could not restore a project car to this quality and originality for less.
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Posted 2023-02-23 5:48 PM (#627792 - in reply to #627787)
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@Viper Guy: That's definitely true, so I don't look for projects. I look at it as, what else could I buy for $XX,XXX and would I like it better? Also I understand that dealers have to get a premium over a private sale. The market spoke on this one at $48k though. I have to assume that they received offers that must've been no where near their ask, otherwise they'd have made a deal by now. I think I'd be a buyer in the low thirties. Forty and up gets you fewer doors, no?
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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-02-23 8:45 PM (#627794 - in reply to #627787)
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Two doors seem to carry a premium in value for most of us. However I personally value condition and originality over any body style that I can easily live with.
For instance, I’m not a wagon guy yet they are extremely high in value now but I would prefer a 4 door hardtop. My current DeSoto is a ‘59 Firedome 2 door hardtop in pristine condition and I paid up for it. But I got what I wanted and I can enjoy it whenever without any fear of breaking down. Everything has already been restored to factory specs mechanically and basically is like a brand new 1959. I bought it that way and will never regret it weather or not I recoup
my expense. This is just me and I know not everyone feels the same way.

I liken this ‘57 New Yorker very much to my DeSoto.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-23 11:14 PM (#627797 - in reply to #627794)
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Considering this is from a dealer, they have to pay for the overhead - so you are not going to find a private seller deal here.  I don't know - it's a very nice car.  The interior is great.  Appears to have been repainted, but that's not unusual.  $42K still seems like a lot, but good points made here about restoration costs.  I wish it had a few extra options at that price, but the power seats, search tune, and defogger are nice.  

On a side note - I've never seen one of these on a 57-59



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-23 11:33 PM (#627798 - in reply to #627797)
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Another dumb question: are the headlight surrounds supposed to be black, silver, or body color?

I'm sure that's been answered somewhere in the forums before!  Maybe like all things Chrysler, the answer is yes.

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Posted 2023-02-24 2:47 AM (#627800 - in reply to #627798)
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Lancer Mike - 2023-02-24 4:33 AM

Another dumb question: are the headlight surrounds supposed to be black, silver, or body color?

I'm sure that's been answered somewhere in the forums before!  Maybe like all things Chrysler, the answer is yes.



black = 57 DeSoto only
silver = late 57 DeSoto, and 58 DeSoto
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Posted 2023-02-24 11:24 AM (#627803 - in reply to #627787)
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Tom, how did you determine that late '57 DeSoto is silver colored? Old pictures?
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Posted 2023-02-24 3:50 PM (#627810 - in reply to #627787)
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Pictures are always better (most of the time)

I can tell that the steering wheel does have at least 1 crack (these plastic wheels are awful. depending on sun/moisture they have disintegrated on cars). I know that the gauges haven't been torn into because they still have the petrified rubber remains on the lenses (I had to deal with that on a 59).

Def not a fully restored car, but a well maintained/cleaned up rig IMO. The gaskets on the doors ideally should also have been replaced since it was built since those 4 door HT aren't as water tight as a sedan
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Posted 2023-02-24 8:35 PM (#627815 - in reply to #627787)
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What do you all think about buying this site-unseen? I know the risks, I have gone and seen numerous cars which appeared shockingly different in person and I always swore that I would never do it. In this case, I wonder if there isn't enough evidence in the pictures to justify the value even if something is off with it. I would regret the purchase if it had cracks or bubbles in the paint or otherwise needed to be stripped and refinished, or if it needed floors or the frame done. I would not regret the purchase if the engine were tired, or the transmission needed a rebuild though, or any other maintenance items. I have had experience with inspectors and they are a waste in my experience unless you know one personally which I do not. What say you?
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Posted 2023-02-24 9:56 PM (#627817 - in reply to #627787)
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Any car purchase is going to be a disappointment. There are always flaws that don't show up in pictures. If it was a project that you know needs everything, and is cheap, then buy sight unseen. But a car like this should really be seen in person. However, personally, I would give them a call and tell them your offer amount to see if you can make any headway with them. If not, it would be a wasted trip.
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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-02-24 10:07 PM (#627818 - in reply to #627787)
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I bought my '59 DeSoto sight unseen but asked a ton of questions and requested a ton of pictures. The seller was extremely proud of the car and never relented on providing any information I asked for. I was very lucky that the car was exactly as described. Perhaps some member on this forum lives close to where the car is and might be willing to check it out for you.

This is a picture of my car and the chassis is just as detailed as what you see.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-24 10:09 PM (#627819 - in reply to #627817)
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Gateway seems to be a huge outfit.  Maybe they have some type of deal where if you buy it and you don't like it, you can take it back to a nearby Gateway dealer and they can give your money back less shipping.  With their outfit, maybe they have a pretty good deal on shipping.  Perhaps they can trade between Gateway dealers.  At that price, I would ask them if they have any deals like that before buying it sight unseen.  

One nice thing about Gateway: they take a ton of images in good lighting.  Doesn't seem like they are trying to hide anything.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-24 10:24 PM (#627823 - in reply to #627819)
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$42 large can get you some good stuff (for comparison)

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/listing/1956-imperial-crown-glendale-az-2654641

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/desoto/firesweep/2617750.html + $13K spending cash

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/imperial/crown/2592475.html + 7K spending cash



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Posted 2023-02-25 9:57 AM (#627832 - in reply to #627787)
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@Powerflite: I agree with you completely. I have no way of getting there to look, so I'm exploring possibilities.

@Viper Guy: That's a beautiful car, thanks for sharing. Yes you are lucky for sure. I'd love to have a knowledgeable member go look, I'd certainly pay for the favor. Know anyone?

@Lancer Mike: Gateway is a consignment dealer, they don't take returns or trades. They offer to resell a car you purchased or to sell a car you wish to trade, but it is on consignment. You have to sign contracts which indicate that you had every opportunity to inspect the car and declined, etc. They recommend "professional" inspectors which are their friends that they allow in and are all too excited to recommend, and critical inspectors aren't allowed in. I understand their side and don't find their terms unreasonable at all, I just can't get there in person and know that inspectors aren't a good option. They also carry a 1.8/5 review on Trustpilot. I guess I'm trying to find a car that is nice enough and presents enough evidence to justify its price without an in person inspection. I'm looking for a Forward Look driver (I do NOT mean "driver quality") for myself and my family to use a good amount in the nice weather months. I would consider a car that needs some mechanical work, but I do not want to deal with any metal or paint work. In fact, the metal and paint is really all that I would need to verify to be comfortable buying that Chrysler. Pictures have proven to me to be inadequate in determining the condition of metal and paint though. Those Imperials do seem like better buys, but I like the look of the Chrysler better. I'm not so sure about that Desoto... been listed for a while at that price.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-25 12:30 PM (#627840 - in reply to #627800)
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Thanks, Tom!

I saw a few different images on the interwebs that threw me off!

A 1957 Chrysler Windsor, now for sale at Californiaclassix.com!



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Posted 2023-02-25 7:34 PM (#627851 - in reply to #627787)
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car is expensive as it is, has sings to be repainted, the description talks about well mantained, not original.
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Posted 2023-02-25 7:39 PM (#627852 - in reply to #627787)
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I would definitely go with the imperial but not as an investment, no matter what they said you can buy a lesser condition coupe for a LOT less than this. All my cars are sedans, and they will never reach coupe or ragtop prices.

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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-02-25 10:23 PM (#627859 - in reply to #627787)
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Motorvator,

Unfortunately I do not know anyone close to the Indianapolis area but just click on the items wanted thread on this forum and ask if there is someone in the area that would be willing to check it out for you.

Just an observation on the above mentioned ‘57 DeSoto Firesweep 2 door hardtop; that car has a manual three speed on the column transmission and may not have power steering or brakes.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-02-25 10:44 PM (#627860 - in reply to #627859)
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At the end of the day, if this is your dream car - then it's worth it.  With a consignment shop, I would sure as Shinola make sure you are paying the absolute minimum the seller will take.

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Posted 2023-02-25 10:47 PM (#627861 - in reply to #627860)
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What are those back seat rope handles for?  I've seen people hang towels from them.  Are they for the middle passenger to apply leverage to scoot to one side or the other?

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Posted 2023-02-26 10:56 AM (#627866 - in reply to #627861)
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Lancer Mike - 2023-02-25 9:47 PM

What are those back seat rope handles for?  I've seen people hang towels from them.  Are they for the middle passenger to apply leverage to scoot to one side or the other?



Just a different version of “grab” handles.
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Posted 2023-02-27 7:21 PM (#627915 - in reply to #627787)
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@hemidenis: Thanks. I'm fine with a repaint, as long as it's done right. Which Imperial, the '56 or '57? I'm not near either one, so I'd be in the same situation. I would be fine with any body style if it's the right car.

@Viper Guy: Thanks for the advice, that's a good idea. I tried to get my brother-in-law who lives an hour away from the car to go look today, especially since he has no job and no reason not to, but the p***k said no. My wife isn't too happy with him. I might consider that Desoto if it were a better color with two-tone paint. I don't mind the manual stuff.

@Lancer Mike: It's not my dream car, but it's very nice in my opinion and I'd be very happy with it. I'd love a Christine clone. I grew up watching the movie. I'd be fine with a dual quad big block Fury also. There's a member here that listed his 4 dr Belvedere for sale. I contacted him offering to pay to bring the car to me for inspection but he said he was putting it away for the winter and didn't have the time.
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Posted 2023-02-27 9:54 PM (#627921 - in reply to #627787)
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If you want a real bargain and don’t care about power stuff or automatic trans, check out carsonline.com for a 1961 Dodge Phoenix 2HT. It’s in Canada so there will be import duties but the high bidder, when on an auction couldn’t come up with the financing, but the bid was only $22,500 and sold even though the advertised price shows $32500 USD. This tells me there is plenty of room for negotiation. Red with only 25000 miles. Very distinctive too. R&R Classic Cars.


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Posted 2023-02-28 2:57 PM (#627942 - in reply to #627787)
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@Viper Guy: Thanks for that. I need a v8 though. I think converting it would be a bit of a task. I'd consider converting it if it were a '57-'59 though. Locally, there's a '59 Dodge for sale with 14k original miles and it's a 6 cylinder 2 speed. I would sooner buy and convert that, which is a possibility. There is a Royal for sale with a 361 Torqueflite, so I'd buy that too and use it to convert the 14k mile car over to v8 3 speed with power options. Still, I'd prefer something that's done already. It doesn't need to be a bargain, but I also don't want to be taken to the cleaners either.
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Posted 2023-02-28 8:34 PM (#627956 - in reply to #627942)
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If you have enough for that really nice 57 NY'er then you have enough to get what you really want. I'd wait until you find what compels you to buy, you won't wait long.
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Posted 2023-03-01 10:39 AM (#627963 - in reply to #627787)
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@Finishthemirror: I've been shopping for over a year. While cars have come up, they are always too far away. The biggest problem I have is I can't travel. I basically need a car to appear within an hour or so from my door, or I have to find a listing that is so obviously worth the purchase I can buy it sight unseen. That's what I was wondering about this New Yorker. To make things more difficult, the condition of the paint and metal are the most important things for me, and these are the most difficult things to determine without an in person inspection by someone that really knows what they're looking at. This also makes private sales almost impossible to consider because even if I'm sure the condition is good, I'm not about to wire tens of thousands of dollars to a total stranger, nor would I expect them to mail paperwork without payment. SUCKS.
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Posted 2023-03-01 2:59 PM (#627979 - in reply to #627963)
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Never buy a car sight unseen.

Just taking a cursory look, I see a number of issues that could be potential red flags: Leaking carburetor, leaking rear end, homemade dash pad, no underhood or undercarriage detailing...

Who knows what other problems (brakes, tranny, low compression, misc electrical issues) you might encounter ? Poor paint ? Overspray ?

Don't be dazzled by the flashy color. Don't buy a car sight unseen.

Even if there are no real issues, I wouldn't pay over 25K.

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Posted 2023-03-01 3:11 PM (#627980 - in reply to #627979)
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And the argument, "You can't restore it for that price" is total BS, since most of the time, you're not aware of hidden problems that the dealer may or may not be aware of. Brakes, transmission, fuel system issues lead the way. And if you're not mechanical, these can cost you thousands to fix. If, in fact, your mechanic actually can solve the problem

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Posted 2023-03-01 5:36 PM (#627982 - in reply to #627787)
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Thanks Ron, I agree with your advice, and I have never bought a car sight unseen up to now. I have been collecting and watching car prices since the '90s, I bought my first car (a '74 Charger) in September of '96. I have wasted many, many hours driving all over to see cars that were grossly misrepresented. I could share several stories. I am now in a position where I am no longer able to get around, so I'm trying to figure something out. As I mentioned above, I am not too concerned with any mechanical problems, just the integrity of the metal and paint. I don't really regard any maintenance items as deal breakers. If I bought that car and it needed a front end, brakes, shocks, tires, and the transmission slipped, I wouldn't be too upset (although not thrilled either). I usually go through cars that I buy anyway to make them right, and so I know the condition of every system. As I also mentioned above, I have even offered to pay for people to bring cars to me, the idea being that there would be no cost to them and if their car is as represented they could be rather sure that I am a serious buyer. As far as the "restore it for that price..." I would say that with the cost of paint and body work these days (a quick "commercially acceptable" paint job being $8k +) there's merit to saying you can't restore most any car for its listing price unless its metal and paint don't need to be addressed. I agree with your valuation, the "real" number for it is probably around $25k, but considering that it is a dealer and this still crazy market, I think it could bring low to mid 30s. I appreciate your advice and am open to hearing more suggestions for how I might procure a nice Forward Look car considering my predicament.
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Posted 2023-03-01 8:40 PM (#627985 - in reply to #627787)
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Sorry Ron, but you're not going to be able to get a '57 New Yorker 4dr hardtop this nice for $25K. A 4dr sedan, yes, but not a hardtop. If it isn't seriously misrepresented, anyone that sells it for less than $30K would be foolish.
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Posted 2023-03-01 10:55 PM (#627986 - in reply to #627985)
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The car has been on the market for a year now. Just like real estate, if this is a motivated seller tired of paying Gateway monthly fees for keeping it in their showroom, then the seller should come down. Also, I don't think shiny paint along with a car that starts, runs and drives equates to 'this nice'. It's a #3 car.

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Posted 2023-03-02 3:48 PM (#627993 - in reply to #627787)
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No less than a number 2 and possibly better upon inspection.
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Geez, you guys have beat the crap out of this.  You're boring.  Time to move on.  

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Lancer Mike - 2023-02-26 4:44 AM

At the end of the day, if this is your dream car - then it's worth it. . . .

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Posted 2023-03-03 10:47 AM (#628001 - in reply to #627787)
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@Viper Guy: If you're able to determine that it's a #2 car without seeing it, then would you say that there's enough evidence in the presentation to justify an offer without seeing the car? If so, how much would you offer?

@Sermey: You suggest offering $40k without seeing the car? I'm sure at this point they'd be delighted to take $40k.
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Posted 2023-03-03 10:55 AM (#628002 - in reply to #628001)
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A #2 car is defined as a perfect car with just a few flaws. A number #3 is a car that's nice, but looks like it's driven. Considering the issues that I identified, plus non-detailed engine compartment and undercarriage and others that would come to light once seen in person, including overspray and possibly floorboard and trunk rust, or crappy bondo work to cut corners, what do you think it is ?

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Posted 2023-03-03 11:14 AM (#628003 - in reply to #627787)
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@Ronbo97: Well it depends on the standard. I like the Hagerty standard and without seeing the car in person, I'd say it's likely between a #3 "good" and a #2 "excellent." A #3 is defined as a typical condition, and that most classic cars fall into being a #3. A #2 is a car that can win a local or regional show and could be a car that was a concourse car that deteriorated slightly from driving, etc. In reality, I don't see how one can say without seeing it in person, but a good guess might be able to be made based on presented evidence. There's a trophy in the trunk suggesting the possibility of it being closer to a #2, but the things you've pointed seem to suggest it's closer to a #3.

For fun, the Hagerty numbers associated with the conditions are:
#3 = $22,000
#2 = $31,200
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Posted 2023-03-03 11:23 AM (#628004 - in reply to #628001)
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Motorvator - 2023-03-03 4:47 PM @Viper Guy: If you're able to determine that it's a #2 car without seeing it, then would you say that there's enough evidence in the presentation to justify an offer without seeing the car? If so, how much would you offer? @Sermey: You suggest offering $40k without seeing the car? I'm sure at this point they'd be delighted to take $40k.

Don't care if they delighted or not: YOU must be happy with! This car looks nice and is very representative - exact for you and your family. Once you got it you will no think anymore on the costs.

I purchased my 1959 Dodge Custom Royal without seeing it, except from one picture. I didn't decide instantly, and the guy needed urgent money. He sent it back to his friend in New York. Finally I decided:

paid twice the transfer, and additional USD 1000 for his friend for send it back to Switzerland again (was before in Germany) as he had already interested buyers. After all I paid additional $5000.

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Motorvator - 2023-03-03 11:14 AM @Ronbo97: Well it depends on the standard. I like the Hagerty standard and without seeing the car in person, I'd say it's likely between a #3 "good" and a #2 "excellent." A #3 is defined as a typical condition, and that most classic cars fall into being a #3. A #2 is a car that can win a local or regional show and could be a car that was a concourse car that deteriorated slightly from driving, etc. In reality, I don't see how one can say without seeing it in person, but a good guess might be able to be made based on presented evidence. There's a trophy in the trunk suggesting the possibility of it being closer to a #2, but the things you've pointed seem to suggest it's closer to a #3. For fun, the Hagerty numbers associated with the conditions are: #3 = $22,000 #2 = $31,200

You're using a trophy to determine a car's condition ? Really ???

I usually don't trust Hagerty's numbers, since they sell stated amount/stated value insurance. But for once, they are fairly close to what you should pay for this car, assuming no hidden problems.

Ron

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Motorvator
Posted 2023-03-03 1:50 PM (#628009 - in reply to #627787)
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@Ronbo97: There's no reason to get disrespectful, all I said was that the trophy might suggest the car could be a show winner. You find that unreasonable? It's undoubtedly the reason it's included in the pictures. Regarding Hagerty, they publish their methodology for the values and allow you to view the auction results they used to help determine the amounts. I have been following values for over 25 years and find their values to be by far the best that's out there.

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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-03-03 6:08 PM (#628015 - in reply to #627787)
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I’m inclined to agree with Geezer, this subject has been discussed long enough that Motorvator should be able to make a decision. If genuine interest exists in the New Yorker, either go in person, have somebody else you trust check it out, or take a chance and make an offer if the car is what you truly want. Regardless, I believe the car will not be able to be bought for less than $40K.
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Posted 2023-03-03 6:43 PM (#628016 - in reply to #627787)
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Oh, oh!  Someone actually agreed with me.  That's not supposed to happen.  But this has been mentally masturbated to the enth degree.  And when it comes right down to it, a car's value is always determined by what the buyer is willing to pay for it. 

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Posted 2023-03-03 6:48 PM (#628017 - in reply to #627787)
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By the way, the Hagarty price guide on our cars is pretty far off, at least according to the description of each condition number. It says that a #3 condition '58 Fireflite 2dr coupe is worth $30K. #3 condition: No visible flaws to a passerby & runs & drives well. If that's the real price, show me the car, and I will buy it and sell off the one I am working on. No visible flaws? - And no hidden gobs of bondo, which is also required, but isn't said in the description. I can tell you with certainty that you won't be able to buy that car for less than $45K. If you disagree, show me the sale or the car for sale. I'm just pointing out that either Hagarty hasn't got a clue, or that their description of a #3 condition doesn't match up to what everyone else thinks a #3 condition is.
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Motorvator
Posted 2023-03-03 8:46 PM (#628019 - in reply to #627787)
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@Viper Guy: I engaged this forum hoping for a group of collectors with unusually high expertise in this narrow segment of collector cars to maybe be able to see more in the listing than I could and maybe persuade me to take a chance, warn me off, or maybe offer a new idea I hadn't thought of. I hadn't considered the length of the discussion, as it seems to me that the purpose of a discussion forum is to have a discussion. If this thread bores you or you feel like you have no more to contribute, I fail to see how the thread continuing poses a disturbance to you or any other member. My sincere apologies if I'm missing some forum etiquette, and I'd appreciate it if you'd be so kind as to share it with me so I will be able to respect it going forward.

@Powerflite: I wouldn't say it's spot on, I would say it's the best guide around. If you know a better one, I'd love to know what it is.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2023-03-03 8:58 PM (#628020 - in reply to #628017)
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Oh, I think we gotta LOT more to kick around on this one! 

 

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Viper Guy
Posted 2023-03-03 11:24 PM (#628022 - in reply to #627787)
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Motorvator: What makes you think that I think this discussion is boring? My thought is that there has been enough discussion, opinions, ideas, etc., that if you think this is the car for you, than you need to take steps in trying to obtain that beautiful New Yorker. Otherwise…………….it may be too late!
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60 dart
Posted 2023-03-03 11:54 PM (#628023 - in reply to #627787)
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43 replies , huh! and no final answers , huh! ------------------------------------later

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