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udoittwo
Posted 2024-11-09 11:29 AM (#637696)
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I found this pair of NOS washer squirters that I believe are correct for my 60 Plymouth and possibly other models and years?
The ones on my car are really nice. Now I'm wondering if I should sell these to someone doing a proper restoration?
Me at 71 YO and the squirters on my car are very nice originals, do I need them?
I try to pick up any spare parts I can find particularly Suburban parts.
Spare parts paid off when someone wiped out my passenger side door, handle, & stainless.

Ebay used to have a better set up where I would click on 1960 Plymouth Suburban and get 100s of related parts.
Now there may be a part here or there but pages and pages of unrelated parts from all years and other makes..
Anyway, does everyone try to have spare parts? IF there an old car in a salvage yard, it has been picked cleaner than a 5 years old nose.
Would you keep these if you doubted you would ever need them? I have other NOS parts that I really doubt I will ever use.

I think I'm starting to realize I am not a kid anymore. I have coins and all my railroad stuff.
I go to estate sales and auctions and see all these same things being sold off in lots for nothing or being tossed by some relative that could care less.
I'm just trying to figure out if I need all of this? Where's the best place to sell if I ever wanted too?
I couldn't find any other examples of these squirter nozzles so I'm not even sure if they are even worth trying to sell?
Sorry for the rambling.
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udoittwo
Posted 2024-11-09 11:32 AM (#637697 - in reply to #637696)
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-10 3:17 AM (#637711 - in reply to #637696)
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i only collect some parts that i need, but I do have a large emblem collection of FWL cars.

I believe I need those for my 60 imperial though. let me check..

Yes these parts we hoard will normally be sold pennies on the dollar when someone buys the whole "lot of random car parts" and they wont know wha they go to or any idea unless we sit down and mark and label everything even then they typically consign it to a ebay whole saler who just takes half of the auction or more, up to 65-75% and manages he auction.
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Powerflite
Posted 2024-11-10 4:42 AM (#637716 - in reply to #637696)
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Most of the time, if you still have this stuff when you die, it will likely get thrown out. A bank will hire someone to clear out your house, or a relative will do it, and anything that they don't know what it is goes in the bin. Give it away or sell it before that happens is the best policy.

Ebay isn't great anymore because they treated the sellers so badly that very few people sell there any more. But you can still sell stuff there, just keep in mind that you are likely to only get 2 bids on anything you try to sell there. Facebook groups and this forum are the next best places.

A lot of the old collectibles aren't worth anything now. Newer generations don't see the value in stuff like model trains or pottery etc. like they used to, or at least many of them don't have the luxury of having space to keep it. So most of those things are hard to even give away. But find a relevant group on facebook, and you might find a buyer for them. Coins made of precious metal always have value, but maybe not much more than the going rate of the metal they are made of.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-10 10:24 AM (#637720 - in reply to #637696)
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Ebay absolutely sucks now... its search results are the worst.
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wizard
Posted 2024-11-10 2:27 PM (#637725 - in reply to #637696)
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I thought that who have the most stuff when checking out won?!

Joke aside, I fear that Powerflite is absolutely correct
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Posted 2024-11-18 5:13 PM (#637847 - in reply to #637725)
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I'm still in my 60's and feel like I have amassed a slew of parts but am thinking of trimming down to 1 wagon and 1 convert.

the rest should go but will it?


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2024-11-18 8:23 PM (#637852 - in reply to #637847)
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I tell my kids: "someday all this will be yours ... to throw away"

I just bought a spare set of exhaust deflectors on Facebook - of which I have many.  They are nearly worthless now that you can get a brand new set for $350 on eBay.  I also just bought a spare De Soto hood ornament.  Don't know what I'll do with that. 

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Posted 2024-11-19 1:49 PM (#637863 - in reply to #637696)
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This is exactly my problem and it takes a lot of time and experience to realize that Powerflite is 100% right.
I've been driving an old Volvo for 35 years and I parted out a lot of Volvos in my garage - and of course kept tons of parts. The car is now perfectly restored and I don't need anything more. I've been driving old Mercedes for 20 years and have collected and collected parts - I don't need any more of that either. The same with motorcycles and chainsaws. Sometimes I think I'm stupid, but what should I do? Now - at almost 60 - I'm sitting with mountains of spare parts and actually want to auction them off on Ebay at some point. At some point. And one fact : the most parts are not interesting or worth nothing .
After all, I haven't accumulated that many parts for my Chrysler yet and only have a medium-sized box full. At the moment . But the reason is probably that there are hardly any parts for a '61 New Yorker in Germany.
And another thing I learned : you can have a lot of parts - but most of the time you don't have what you need at the moment.
It is said that people are either hunters or gatherers. I'm probably not a hunter.
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wizard
Posted 2024-11-19 4:18 PM (#637864 - in reply to #637696)
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One could think of the ”desease” like this; The parts you have one the shelf will, due to Murphys law not be needed. It’s a kind insurance
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2024-11-19 6:56 PM (#637865 - in reply to #637864)
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That does it!  I'm having all my spare parts buried with me 





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Powerflite
Posted 2024-11-19 8:03 PM (#637867 - in reply to #637696)
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You're gonna crush those poor pall-bearers! He ain't heavy, he's our...aaaahg!
You could bury John Fowlie and myself *in* our spare parts.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2024-11-21 7:00 PM (#637902 - in reply to #637867)
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That eBay search engine is terrible now!  I searched for the 1957 - 1958 Dodge exhaust tips and it came up with an outfit selling them for $515.75 + tax.  I thought "holy cow, those have really gone up."  I had to dig quite a bit for the original outfit selling them (now $375 + tax).  I think it is the crappy "promote your listing" bologna eBay offers. 

 

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Posted 2024-11-22 6:18 AM (#637910 - in reply to #637716)
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Powerflite - 2024-11-10 9:42 AM

Most of the time, if you still have this stuff when you die, it will likely get thrown out. A bank will hire someone to clear out your house, or a relative will do it, and anything that they don't know what it is goes in the bin. Give it away or sell it before that happens is the best policy.

Ebay isn't great anymore because they treated the sellers so badly that very few people sell there any more. But you can still sell stuff there, just keep in mind that you are likely to only get 2 bids on anything you try to sell there. Facebook groups and this forum are the next best places.

A lot of the old collectibles aren't worth anything now. Newer generations don't see the value in stuff like model trains or pottery etc. like they used to, or at least many of them don't have the luxury of having space to keep it. So most of those things are hard to even give away. But find a relevant group on facebook, and you might find a buyer for them. Coins made of precious metal always have value, but maybe not much more than the going rate of the metal they are made of.


I am fully agree
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-22 1:41 PM (#637915 - in reply to #637696)
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there are many ebay "resellers" who will simply take the same item, tack 30-40% on it and resell it to you.

its on amazon also.
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Posted 2024-11-22 7:18 PM (#637918 - in reply to #637696)
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ive bought numerous hoards of parts from people who collected ooddles of items. my latest was a 56 fury hoard the guy parted 6 furys 3 belvederes it took 10 trips filling my gmc to the top of the cap packed tightly with 6 loads with a loaded 5x8 mower hauler packed i kept 40% to sell 60% went to the curb for the scrap man i got about a full truck left. if the stuff dont sell soon it will go to curb as well. ivoffered itemsat reallygood prices for really nice parts. however no interest so that tells me its worthless. and yes after its gone its gone. but i refuse tobe a storage unit. sooooooooo



also 2 summers ago i bought a barn fulll 75x150 3 levels of the leftovers from a guy who hoarded mopar items for 50+ years the girl who bought the farm threw large dumpster full after dumpster full of nos mopar items from the 40s-70s from chrome to sheetmetal. so she had a place for her chickens and tractors
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-23 2:13 AM (#637921 - in reply to #637696)
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The problem is there just isn't a demand like a 55 chevy... you cant sell 1000 57 dodge front bumpers... or even 500 or 50 front bumpers..

These old mopars the 66-67 and under are just that rare...

I would love a 56 Fury but my hands are full...
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45ACP
Posted 2024-11-29 8:36 PM (#638017 - in reply to #637696)
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Let me join the insanity here: Having restored a few "Letter Cars," and currently owning two high end cars, plus a very well done Imperial which I restored, I'm looking at the same scenario. Approaching 70 years of age, what now? I just sold my Lionel trains. c.1961 to a guy in my car club who's older than me but who is an avid train collector. He got a real good price! As a retired professional musician, I literally (well, almost..) gave away my rare jazz LP collection. I was happy to "off" them despite the low buyout. Hell, I was just glad to get them out of the house. And i sold a load of musical instruments, with more to go. But these car parts? I keep telling my self they'll go with the sale of each 300 and then the Imperial. Like so many of us, I bought all sorts of things during these restorations and now, here they sit. I even sorted, cataloged and organized the stuff but given the niche these car's occupy on the collector market I can only hope that the parts will add incentive to any buyer. And then there's the substantial "toy" collection in the gun safe....more stuff. Life accelerates the older we get and the accumulation of "stuff" gets larger and larger. Torque wrench? Five of 'em! Grease gun? Four! Timing lights and dwell meters....what's that you say? Pickle forks, several.....my step sons stand to inherit a garage full of auto tools, carpentry tools, and what all. They don't have a clue about these tools, even my basic stuff. And after I'm gone like it was said above, this stuff could likely get tossed. One man's treasure...... And I really don;t know that many people restoring these types of cars. We're all in the same boat with FL cars and it's a ship that is really not that seaworthy. Join the Club of "One day I might need it" and then time runs short......" Hoarding parts? Sure, not gonna make anymore of these.... Some years back one guy needed a part for his 300C so i offered a nearly perfect item for the same price I paid 25 years prior. Rare and specific to a '57 300C, he balked at the price! "Too High!," said he. Well, go find another that's not in need of chrome work or restoration. I never hesitated on a part's price during a restoration. Yet, that part remains here. Maybe I should have sold it.....but what if I need it one day? Dreaded curse of the "what if" scenario! And we know how hard all these FL cars are to restore. Like many, I bought the insurance plan....often.....and all of it is collecting dust. Next time I'm coming back as a GM, Ford or a Schwinn!
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-30 3:25 AM (#638018 - in reply to #637696)
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lol wait I need 57 300C parts
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45ACP
Posted 2024-11-30 9:25 AM (#638020 - in reply to #638018)
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LOL, indeed!!!
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Powerflite
Posted 2024-11-30 9:32 AM (#638021 - in reply to #637696)
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Like Mike said, there are many people still building these cars. The foolish mistake that people make is to sit on them until they are gone. If you want to sell them, then make the effort to pass them to someone else. You just need to advertise to the right groups and offer them at reasonable prices. If you want to sell the good parts with the cars, that's not a bad approach, though you will typically not get the price out of them that way. But you need to offer the cars for sale before your health gets to the point that you can no longer do it. Sometimes it's hard to admit when that time comes.
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45ACP
Posted 2024-11-30 12:16 PM (#638025 - in reply to #638021)
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Agreed, you make good points here. Sometimes it is hard to know when to say "it's time to let go." Reminds me of the farmer with the cache of cars on his property and when asked by an interested passerby to sell something his reply is, "No son, I'm gonna restore them." Then one day the farmer and the farm are no more....
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mikes2nd
Posted 2024-11-30 4:23 PM (#638028 - in reply to #637696)
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My thing is if I'm done, and I don't need I need to get it up for sale.
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Posted 2024-12-06 5:34 PM (#638099 - in reply to #637696)
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I'm trying to only keep parts for cars that I have and need to work on selling parts for cars I'll never have again. My first car was a 1964 300 and I had a perfect spare grille sitting around for 30+ years but sold the car in 1999. Since it was in a storage garage, I never worried about it. When I moved 7 years ago, I purged a lot of stuff and gave that away. Well, this April, I bought a 1964 300K by accident and guess what it needs, that spare grille. I went and bought a hoard of 1963-64 Chrysler trim and other parts but half of it is junk. It was a take it all or nothing kind of deal. But now I have 8 dusty standard radios, multiples of starters and alternators and power steering pumps. I did get some good parts that I need for the 300K though.

One thing I'm doing is documenting what everything is and sorting it into bins. I'm also marking the general value of things and my partner has a list of people to call for help with finding new homes for the stuff as some of it is quite valuable. When I did that move 7 years ago, people helping me thought a lot of rare parts were scrap parts.
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Posted 2024-12-06 10:28 PM (#638101 - in reply to #637696)
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My problem is that I buy parts cars for my parts cars
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udoittwo
Posted 2025-03-25 9:32 AM (#639389 - in reply to #637696)
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Just bailed on my friend. He has had 60 some Corvettes. Mostly 66-67 big blocks. He recently asked me if I would help him sell some of his NOS parts for a nice cut. As I remember, I'm thinking ching ching!
He started me off with a pair of NOS side pipes and covers for a 67 427. He said anything over $2500 is yours. Going by the past prices, I figured there would be at least a $1000 there for me after all was done. I couldn't even get $2000 for them. A dated 1967 NOS 427/435 water pump. I know it's for a very specific car but still if I found a buyer, I figured at least $1500. And it would have years ago. Best offer was for $450.
I gave it all back to him. He wanted and expected a lot more and so did I. I told him I couldn't sell any of it and after my cut, ect. there wouldn't be much left.
Now he's all but giving it away because he says that if he passes as is, the kids would just trash it all.
I'm still finding parts for my 67 GTO that I sold when I bought my Suburban 20 years ago.
Kids aren't into the old cars and it's all but impossible to correctly restore a classic as there are no more salvage, yards, barns full or back shelves of parts warehouses.
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Posted 2025-03-25 3:48 PM (#639391 - in reply to #637696)
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I have a lot of parts for my next rebuild of my 57. However, I've reached the point that I'm done with the car being stock. I have a lot of parts for the original engine and transmission combo. But when I change it over to a late model engine and transmission I'm going to get rid of all of the mechanical spare parts I have. I'm keeping some trim and my spare lenses, but if I ever wreck the car at this point, I'm probably not going to rebuild it. I've had fun with it for 35 years now and most of my attention is taken up by other project cars. When I get around to rebuilding it again, which will be the third time I've done a major build on this car, it will be much more updated and built for long distance touring. I have a retirement goal of driving it to all 49 continental states and Canada, so the next version will be built with common parts I can get at any parts store.

I also no longer keep anything that is a common part. When I cleaned out my workshop 5 years ago I threw away all of the starters, alternators, water pumps, and other things that I can easily get. Most of that stuff was for my GM cars, but some of the old electrical parts that I know are not special that I've had in boxes for my 57 went out as well. I don't need 3 voltage regulators when I have the part numbers for common replacements written inside my service manual. Same with brake light switches and starter relays. I just don't think it is a good use of my space to store something I can get from a local parts store when I know what they interchange with. I had a spare open center section for a taper 8 3/4 axle. I also have a flange 8 3/4 to put into the car. I have zero intention of repairing the rear axle if it breaks, and every intention of replacing it with the easier to service axle. So I sold that center section. The same with the stack of brake drums I had. I'm sick of the stock drum brakes, so I sold all of those spare drums. If I ever need one, that is the moment I will swap to AAJ brakes and be done with it.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2025-03-26 3:40 PM (#639401 - in reply to #637696)
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the younger generation isn't into old cars because they can't afford them...

and they idolize Honda's as they grown up (F&F)... but they would/do idolize Camaros/Chevelles/Mustangs/Chargers as they get older and can afford them...

But as people age their taste turns to the things they couldn't buy... So trust me the kids are restoring what they can.... I see lots of younger people getting old crappy sedans... As for FWL cars... lol they simply don't know they even exist.

as for rebuilding stock... Lol thats not me... I want to keep the original car and ride and everything just fix the crappy stuff... the leaking body, the avg brakes... s**tty seats etc... But I did go with a 57 Hemi... My next car will prob have a new hemi or a 440... I have almost all the parts i need for my 58 plymouth and 60 Imperial... I have a complete 57 300C also(minus the engine)

 



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Posted 2025-03-27 1:14 PM (#639411 - in reply to #637696)
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I am collecting a few FI parts. Will build a hybrid Electojector when I find a Manifold.



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Posted 2025-03-27 8:55 PM (#639417 - in reply to #637696)
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I collect the things for my '62 that I figure will never, if ever come up again. Recently I started collecting parts for a car I haven't even bought yet. But I will.
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Posted 2025-04-12 12:58 AM (#639659 - in reply to #637696)
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This thread is totally correct. Very true, all of it. Now I am so depressed I won't be able to sleep tonight.
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Posted 2025-05-25 5:14 AM (#640204 - in reply to #637696)
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udoittwo - 2024-11-09 5:29 PM

I found this pair of NOS washer squirters that I believe are correct for my 60 Plymouth and possibly other models and years?


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I couldn't find any other examples of these squirter nozzles so I'm not even sure if they are even worth trying to sell?
Sorry for the rambling.


If you want to sell them let me know. Mine nozzles are in terrible shape.

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Posted 2025-05-25 8:43 AM (#640206 - in reply to #637696)
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Spot on! I've come to the same realization a while back. I have a few cars and parts in my shop, but what made me really understand the situation is my friends collection of "restorable" cars. He's got around 50 cars and tons of parts which he's been buying for the last 25 years or so, most of which I wouldn't even touch with a ten foot pole because they're just too far gone. In his mind everything is "easy" and restorable, but when you realize the time it takes to bring a car back to life things get a little more complicated. I've been seeing him bringing in car after car because "it's a killer deal", but none being worked on. I've been telling him for years that "you're going to run out of time", but I truly believe it's a disease and most of these cars will be crushed down the line unfortunately. I'm in my late 50's and so is he, but work family and everyday commitments take up most of the time, so you have to be realistic and start thinning the herd while you still can. I've already sold some of my cars and stuff, and are seriously looking to get rid of anything I haven't touched in a few years. I's a hard call to make as I love my stuff, but as mentioned earlier, my kids have little interest in most of this and it will become a "burden" to get rid of down the line. At this point of my life I'd rather do the tinkering stuff and enjoy my turn key drivers instead of full restorations which I'm done with, that's for the young ones to deal with
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Posted 2025-05-25 4:55 PM (#640208 - in reply to #637696)
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One thing about this.... If you can still work on these cars and actually do it, it does give you pretty good exercise to keep you from dying an early death. There are other, better ways to get exercise, but if you enjoy it, it's a pretty good hobby to keep you working on something. It doesn't do anything for you if you don't do it though, of course.
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