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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-21 3:54 PM (#104135 - in reply to #104130)
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matador60 - 2007-11-21 3:41 PM

If I'am understanding this correctly, you still have end play in the axle. The object is to get rid of all the end play
in the axle so it will not move the pads back more than .005 ths. Anything more will cause your pedal to go
down to take up the pad clearance up. The backing plates from wilwood have a recess built in for the green bearing
circlip to fit into. I had so much trouble with the other that I was not taking a chance with these. I eliminated
all the travel in everything except the pads.


yes i still have end pay, of course, and its rather on the big side if i remember correctly. i have no problems with a low pedal. in fact i altered (rewelded) the brake pedal bracket to get the brake pedal closer to the gas pedal/floor for faster braking. the brake pedal in my car is pretty close to the floor, released. i'm using the 1.1/16" aluminum dual wilwood master cylinder and braided teflon brake lines, front/rear.

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matador60
Posted 2007-11-21 4:19 PM (#104140 - in reply to #104135)
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I have heard from some people that have used the floating axles and have good results, like you have.
I have just spent about a year trying to get the AAJ brakes to work. I was tried of dragging my feet to stop.
You will not believe the problems that design has. So when these went on, I made sure it was going to work.
If you get the pedal down 3/4 in you are leaving black marks.

I really don't know how much the adapter were but the web site is
http://www.gearsandrears.com
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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-21 4:29 PM (#104141 - in reply to #104140)
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you'll love those wilwoods. i have used them for many years in daily driving and road racing and never had any problems.
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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-22 7:17 AM (#104203 - in reply to #104140)
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everett, are there 11" rotors (and FL brackets) available for the wilwood B body hubs? and do you know if these (with calipers) clear stock 14" wheels?

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matador60
Posted 2007-11-22 9:18 AM (#104218 - in reply to #104203)
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I really don't know about the 11" rotors. I sent the suspenion to Chenoweth speed and they with Wilwoods
engineers built the adapters. I was only interested in the big rotors because I had very bad experence with
AAJ. I will call Dale up there and see. I know it was done on a C&C machine so it wouldn't take much to
shorten the plate for the smaller rotor.
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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-22 12:25 PM (#104237 - in reply to #104218)
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thanks!
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matador60
Posted 2007-11-26 1:52 PM (#104663 - in reply to #104237)
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I just talked to Dale at Chenoweth Speed on the adapter plates. He said it not a problem that they can
make them for the 10 3/4 rotors and the stock wheels will fit on. He also said if four or five people got
together and order them there would be a price brake. I didn't get into the price information.
His phone number is 309 266 8084. Like I said, put them on and brake pedal was at the top, stops car
like it was a porsche. Didn't have to spend weeks trying to get them to work.
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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-26 4:57 PM (#104695 - in reply to #104663)
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thanks alot Everett
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John Serkaian
Posted 2007-11-27 11:39 PM (#104921 - in reply to #45440)
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I've had my share of warped rotors and floating caliper problems with factory GM and Chrysler products and I'm wondering what kind of track record Wilwood has for long-term low-maintenance street use. I've got a bellows power brake booster on my '61 Fury and it is helpful in reducing pedal effort on my current 11" Cordoba brakes. Is the Wilwoood caliper piston area large enough to use without a booster and what is the rotor thickness ? Would the the larger radial-mount calipers a better option for a 4000 pound car? (My Fury will not see any road racing use but it might see limited 1/4 mile use and hard street use once I get around to swapping in my updated 440 power train.) Thanks for any feedback.
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1960fury
Posted 2007-11-28 8:12 AM (#104953 - in reply to #104921)
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john, read the entire thread and your questions will be answered. in about 9 years daily driving and road racing no trouble whatsoever. that included 140mph to 0 stops. my car has NO power brakes.
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Devioussquirrel
Posted 2008-01-15 5:10 PM (#110970 - in reply to #45440)
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Hey Matador60,

I contacted Chenoweth Speed about a 12.19" Wilwood kit for my '58 DeSoto. I referred them to the setup they did for your '60 Dodge. I think they can do it.

I had a couple questions. What was the thickness of the spacer/adapter that Chenoweth made for you? Once the spacer and the rotor was installed, how did this affect your wheel mounting surface? Was the wheel mounting surface any further inboard or outboard than the outer surface of the original drum?

My current idea is to go with 16"x7" steel wheels and figure out a way to make the original wheel covers work. Getting everything to work together is like spinning plates

Thanks!
Justin

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matador60
Posted 2008-01-16 11:05 AM (#111038 - in reply to #110970)
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I'll try to answer your questions.
It is not a spacer. It is an adapter and it fits behind the hub and holds the caliper in position. It doesn't change
the location of the hub in anyway.
Wheel mounting surface, moving it in or out. The best I could tell, because I didn't measure it.
It didn't change it in either direction at all. The only measureing I did was tire clearance to fender lip and
it didn't change.
The adapter plate is about 1/4 in.
I can't believe how good these work compaired to AAJ's, I quite draging my feet to stop.



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Devioussquirrel
Posted 2008-01-16 11:21 AM (#111042 - in reply to #45440)
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Matador60,

Thanks for the response! I'm excited by your description of the Wilwood kit's performance. I imagine my DeSoto is somewhat heavier than your Dodge (maybe 300 lbs?). If I'm going to spend all this money on a 5K-10K mile-per-year resto-mod, I'd like to go with the best brakes I can reasonably accomodate.

What size tires did you end up using? Did you have any issues with turning radius or tire scraping?

Thanks!
Justin


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matador60
Posted 2008-01-16 6:30 PM (#111084 - in reply to #111042)
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When I ran my car across the scales it was 4200 lbs, sence then I have added rear A/C.
I ended up with 15x7 wire wheels with 245R60 Corba Dunlap.
I have not been able to scrape anything in the fender while turning hard.
It sure is nice to drive now. It goes where you point it and stops.
If I can help you in anyway let me know.
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ThomasD500
Posted 2008-12-11 5:41 PM (#155119 - in reply to #45440)
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I'm back (after 3 years.) I never did get any more accomplished on this project, as life got in the way. I'm glad to see that the hubs for the B-body fit (as I suspected) and that the only thing needed is an adapter bracket for the caliper.
Those brackets that I see above look complicated! I was hoping that it would be something simple enough to create with an aluminum plate (maybe even a modification of the bracket that came with the kit.)
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BigBlockMopar
Posted 2008-12-29 8:01 PM (#157159 - in reply to #45440)
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My recently acquired '57 Chrysler came with Wilwood's on the front.
So far I've found the calipers are the 120-4952. Haven't measured anything else at the moment.
One of these days I'll also try to get a clear picture of the adapter.
I want to duplicate this system for my other cars aswell.






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Posted 2008-12-29 8:09 PM (#157164 - in reply to #111038)
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matador60 - 2008-01-16 11:05 AM

I'll try to answer your questions.
It is not a spacer. It is an adapter and it fits behind the hub and holds the caliper in position. It doesn't change
the location of the hub in anyway.
Wheel mounting surface, moving it in or out. The best I could tell, because I didn't measure it.
It didn't change it in either direction at all. The only measureing I did was tire clearance to fender lip and
it didn't change.
The adapter plate is about 1/4 in.
I can't believe how good these work compaired to AAJ's, I quite draging my feet to stop.


Should be the same as AAJ, just an adapter plate to hold the caliper.... my AAJ's work like a new car....
great idea these companys coming up with disc brakes for the FL cars.....
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Posted 2011-08-15 9:28 AM (#284726 - in reply to #45440)
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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-11-21 4:53 AM (#573893 - in reply to #45440)
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This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!

Edited by 1coolbanana 2018-11-21 4:55 AM
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-11-21 8:10 AM (#573897 - in reply to #45440)
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calipers arent bad priced.
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Posted 2018-11-21 5:04 PM (#573923 - in reply to #573893)
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1coolbanana - 2018-11-21 4:53 AM

This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!


I'm adapting a Wilwood kit to my 58. I went online and found inner and outer bearings were the same part number 1958 Plymouth or 1968 Plymouth B body. I have a B body kit. I plan to just make caliper adapters and mount em!!!! I'll see how it goes!
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Posted 2018-11-26 6:06 PM (#574175 - in reply to #573893)
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1coolbanana - 2018-11-21 4:53 AM

This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!



Make that 2 of us . . .


Gregg
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1960fury
Posted 2018-11-26 6:19 PM (#574176 - in reply to #573893)
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1coolbanana - 2018-11-21 4:53 AM

This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!


Go to page 1 of this thread, it can't be much easier than this, if you're willing to change to bigger than 14" wheels.
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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-11-28 7:25 PM (#574304 - in reply to #574176)
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1960fury - 2018-11-27 9:19 AM

1coolbanana - 2018-11-21 4:53 AM

This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!


Go to page 1 of this thread, it can't be much easier than this, if you're willing to change to bigger than 14" wheels.


Since you have no power booster, what master cylinder are you using?
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1960fury
Posted 2018-11-29 7:40 AM (#574327 - in reply to #45440)
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Wilwood tandem master cylinder 1. 1/8" bore similar to Raybestos MC39178
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1960fury
Posted 2018-11-29 7:56 AM (#574328 - in reply to #574176)
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1960fury - 2018-11-26 6:19 PM

1coolbanana - 2018-11-21 4:53 AM

This is a great thread and the way Id like to go with my brakes.

If I can just figure out all the correct parts to order for my 60 New Yorker!


Go to page 1 of this thread, it can't be much easier than this, if you're willing to change to bigger than 14" wheels.


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