Re: IML: '65 engine choice - economics likely to decide?

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It seems, 413 engine parts may not be that bad after-all. I just spoke with my machine shop owner, and he says he can package a kit with the following components:Pistons,rings,main bearings,rod bearings, cam bearings,New camshaft (not re-ground) lifters, timing chain, and gears,oil pump, freeze plugs, and gasket set. All parts meet, or exceed OEM. Pistons are only .030-.040 over. $750- 800. depends on ring, and bearing choice. Ya'll have a nice day. Dave.

 

> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Kenyon Wills <imperialist1960@xxxxxxxxx> 
>
> > If you are going to build an engine, with all of the 
> > expense and work related to that avenue, and are 
> > trying to decide between a 413 and a 440, the main 
> > difference in cost will be pistons - most of the other 
> > stuff is common. You'll be doing the heads while in 
> > there, and getting the seats hardened while you're at 
> > it is a good idea. 
> > 
> > If you must replace 413 pistons (some people re-use 
> > under some circumstances), they are increasingly 
> > scarce and consequently a bit more costly. 
> > 
> > The 440 has a habit of burning up valve cover gaskets 
> > due to the closer proximity of such to the exhaust 
> > manifolds, or at least that's so with most of the 
> > tired, old 440's that I'
> ve had. An aluminum MOPAR 
> > PERFORMANCE valve cover is much more rigid and may go 
> > a long ways to curing that problem. That and cork 
> > gaskets with sealant goo instead of rubber ones.... 
> > 
> > I have driven both and prefer the 413. It feels 
> > better to me, but I can't give you numbers to explain 
> > why. Seat of the pants calibration is a personal 
> > thing. 
> > 
> > Your 1965 was special because it had so many unique 
> > things about it, including the grille, headlight 
> > covers, 1yr only transmission linkage (lever operating 
> > cables to shift), and other things. Is being 
> > practical and functional significantly more important 
> > than staying stock? Do you have a line on a 440 
> > that's a deal and no 413's in sight? 
> > 
> > I've sold through a batch of 75 used 440's and 413's. 
> > 
> > 
> > The 440's sold like crazy for all of the "project 
> > cars" of the m
> uscle variety. 440's are highly prized 
> > in the marketplace and I was getting $500 for a really 
> > slammed, but rebuildable core. Can't give the 413's 
> > away, and its a magnificent engine too. If you're 
> > buying a replacement engine, and get an instant 
> > discount for a 413, that pays for the pistons right 
> > there. 
> > 
> > 64 & 65 are the most similar. 60-63 are slightly 
> > different, says interchange manual. They'll 
> > interchange, but I'd skip finding out the differences 
> > if you can get a 64/65. 
> > 
> > I encourage you to make the extra effort to put the 
> > car right. Nobody else will know, so it doesn't 
> > really matter one way or the other at all, but what's 
> > original is original, and this is a historic car that 
> > will only get older, more unusual, and (hopefully) 
> > more desireable as time progresses. Keeping it stock 
> > means no explanations or concerns l
> ater, but it's 
> > really not a big deal. 
> > 
> > I wrote you off list regarding the 413 that you can 
> > have for free from the west coast. 
> > 
> > -Kenyon 
> > 
> > 
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