Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment

["Rob van der Es" <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello again Paul,

Forget it my friend!! There will be no shop in my wide neighborhood that can 
(or will) handle such a car as my 1960 Imperial.

No one heard of it, most shops don't even have wrenches or sockets that will 
fit on bolts and nuts of an American car!

We use metric tools and not 3/8" or 5/16 and so on wrenches :)

Ofcourse I have a full set of spanners, wrenches and sockets but it would be 
a little strange to bring all my tools to the shop to carry out work for me.
Apart from that, trust me: no shop will do it!
They are to afraid to damage something at such a beautiful car, and no one 
knows these cars actually..

But no worries, I am used to do all work to my cars myself (except for a 
paint job and welding (I want to learn that in the future btw).

With all your input and the input from Tom, Fred, Tim, Eric, Joe I am sure I 
will succeed in the end.

And if I "screw it up" I can only blame myself and not the workshop :)

Rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment


My shop has been able to make the correct adjustments to all of my
Imperials without damaging any parts. This seems to have more to do
with the skill level of the shop than the age of the car. I understand
that there may not be many shops in Europe that are familiar with a '60
Imperial. Still, there must be shops that specialize in front
suspension work. A good shop would look over the car, determine what
parts were needed, and then give you a list. They wouldn't take
anything apart (a tie up their space) until you came back with what was
required. I think a good shop could study the manual and figure out
your car.

Unless you are inclined to want to do this yourself, I think it is
worth looking for a GOOD shop that is willing to work on your car.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van der Es <R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:12 am
Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment



Hmmm,



That is indeed the last option to choose from :)

I will take care not to damage anything I promise, but then this stuff
is 47 years old...

At least I hope these bolts don't break while turning them after Lord
knows how many years..



Thanks again and lots of kuddo's to all,



Rob


----- Original Message -----

From: Frederick Joslin

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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:47 AM

Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment




Hi Robert:



I was going to put this in the previous post but chose not to.

You can get new over sized bolts and drill and tap the anchors to fit
the new bolts.

This is probably the last option that you want to take, but it would
work.

Also, if you go this way you can use metric stuff if you want.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob van der Es"
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Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:49:46 +0200


Thanks a lot Fred!,



But what if I strip the threads of the anchors then? I am not to
worried about the bolts you see, a good hardware dealer can supply
those I am sure.



But are those T-bar anchors still available?

Does anyone have a source in case I need them?

Ofcourse I can ask Lowell or Bob, but if I prefer new ones, are they
still available ?



Thanks again,



Rob


----- Original Message -----

From: Frederick Joslin

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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:27 PM

Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment




Robert:

I believe that you can fully remove the adjuster bolts and then replace
them with no problem. I would apply penetrating oil and then remove
them from the car. It is easier to remove them than tighten them if
they are a littl fouled. Clean up the threads with solvent and a wire
brush and check the condition.



When adjusting the height up count the number of turns it takes. If
both torsion bars are in about the same condition, it should take close
to the same number of turns for a level front end. You can adjust the
bolts with the front end off the ground and then lower it to chech the
ride height. I would suggest this since it put less stress on the bolts
(and on you).

Note that you may have some "worn out" threads especially from rust,
but if they are in a section of the bolt that you do not need to "bite"
into for your ride height that will not matter. What you have to do is
get past that section. This is not ideal, but if it is all you can
do........




----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob van der Es"
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Subject: Re: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:35 +0200


Hello again Joe,

Thanks for your kind suggestions!

I will certainly take care not to strip the
fine threads of the adjuster bolts and the
anchors.
I will clean them thoroughly and soak them for a while with penetrating
oil.

I have had a long search for replacement bolts
and anchors but I haven't found any ..
So I hope that my adjusters are not stripped
already , causing the low front end!

Ofcourse I will have a look at the front lower
suspension arms too while I am there, just to
make sure that the bushings are still there and
in good condition.

Thanks again,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe
Strickland"
To: "Imperial Mail List"
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: IML: A-arm Bushings and Torsion Bar Adjustment


> Rob;
>
> Before you begin adjusting your torsion bars,
> see if you can clean the threads of the
> adjusting bolts with some brake cleaner or
> perhaps kerosene to get as much dirt etc. off
> of the threads as possible. Use of an old
> toothbrush or something similar might help.
> Then use a liberal application of penetrating
> oil on the adjusting bolts and levers and let
> them soak for a day or so before trying to
> make the adjustments. You might want to
> re-apply the penetrating oil to the bolts
> more than one time. It may be a real problem
> if you stripped threads on the bolts and/or
> the adjusting arm of the torsion bars. You
> might be able to find replacements, but there
> could be a long time to find replacements.
>
> Be sure to examine the A-arm bushings for
> missing chunks or completely gone bushings.
> As I mentioned before when these bushings
> disintegrate and fall out it allows the
> associated metal parts of the A-arms and
> steering elements to shift position enough
> that the steering parts (especially the idler
> arm and the steering pitman arm) to shift
> position and get in quite a bind while
> steering the car. You certainly don't want
> to wind up with a broken idler arm stud or
> pitman arm stud while driving down the road!
> Complete loss of control might result, with a
> crash into another car or into a pedestrian
> or bicycle rider.
>
> Joe S.
>
>
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