Re: IML: wiring harness

[aeyn <mr85000@xxxxxxxxx>]

   I forgot to add - you could use a short length of small
diameter re-inforced hose (less likely to deform than
non-reenforced).
   As for re-making the harness - try to narrow it down to a
particular curcuit and maybe replace ONLY that curcuit - or
improve on it.  A good way to start the harness replacement, is
to use GARDEN PLANT VELCRO tie-back ribbon.  As you remove the
outter cover from the old harness, velcro strap it together to
keep the bundling intact.
  
I do hope that this helps others in the club, too.

Æyn


--- "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Aeyn....all I can say is "Wow...you are a braver man than I
> am!!" I am dreading having to rewire the engine or the dash
> about as much as I dread going to the Dentist (if you know what
> I mean). I think I would kill to be able to order a new
> engine+dash harness from Chrysler at this point!!!!! ...if I do
> have to go thru the 'rewiring' project I will DEFINITELY make
> use of your flared-copper-tubing-trace-maker tool...!!.....I
> think thats is a really great idea!! you should send it in to
> Hemmings or another magazine (maybe Street Rod or Hot Rod) that
> has subscribers who would actually be using a tool like that
> for their own vehicles wiring!!!! I owe you a cold beer for
> that one!!!
> ...severl members have said that the hardest part will probably
> gathering the correct connectors before doing the re-wire job.
> I found several sources on the Internet though I am really
> hoping I won't have to remove and rewire the Dash (or engine)
> and can find the cause of the 'gremlins' I have been dealing
> with lately......oh well, just a few more reasons and excuses
> to get dirty and invent new 'wrods' when working on the cars!!
> take care! and thanks bunches!!!!
> Dan Melnik
> 
> 
> ---- aeyn <mr85000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> =============
> Dan,
>    I removed AND replaced the metal superstructure of the dash
> in
> my 69 with a 70/71 superstructure, when it was 2 years old. 
> FORTUNATELY, the wiring dash harness was still available from
> Chrysler and I ordered one with ALL of the OPTIONS on it and
> was
> able to upgrade with original BRAND NEW Chrysler ordered parts
> for the options which were needed to fullfil what I wanted.  
> (I
> also ordered a new fully optioned engine wiring harness.  I did
> need to give the built date of the car for that.)  PLEASE
> NOTE!!!! BEWARE OF ERRORS in the wiring diagrams!!!!  In the 69
> FSM there is an error at the headlight switch. The parking
> lights
> (PINK?) wire and one of the multiple battery feed (RED) wires
> are
> transposed.  When I first connected the harness I had constant
> parking lights.  It was an easy fix to pop them out and clip
> them
> into the proper holes.  Check with other owners if they have
> found errors in the wiring diagrams and be VERY familiar with
> the
> terminals on the devices versus the continuity of the
> assosciated
> wiring.
>    In regards to finding the proper wiring, you can find a
> multitude of proper guaged and proper base coloured auto wiring
> from many electonincs houses.  If you should need to add a
> tracer, you can use a perm proper coloured felttip marker.  Use
> a
> 6 inch piece of 1/8 inch copper tubing with the ends slightly
> flared out, as to not damage the insulation. Make a hole in the
> center and half-way through it for the marker tip to be placed
> in.  Staple or firmly clamp the tube to a flat surface (like a
> 1x2).  As you pull the wire through the tube with the marker in
> place and you will have a proper coloured wire WITH the proper
> coloured tracer.  The biggest problem you might find it
> locating
> the wiring terminals.
>    In many cars the wiring may have become dislodged and become
> warn or frayed.  This happened to my 92 Grand Voyager.  I am
> still looking for the problem with the A/C and backup light
> curcuit - 2 years later.  So, IF you are going to the touble of
> re-doing the dash wiring, ALSO remove the engine wiring harness
> and CLOSELY check it over.  You may need to re-wrap it also.
>    I do hope this helps.  As you can tell, I enjoy the
> electrical
> / electronics portions of our cars and have repaired many
> associated. problems.
> 
> Æyn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Paul!...I would normally agree with you on the probability
> > of 'repairing' the harness before 'replacing' it. However,
> the
> > electrical gremlins I have been having seem to come from
> > someplace in the harness (according to the FSM wiring
> diagrams)
> > between the inside firewall junction block and the
> > Ammeter....Somewhere in that area there is a '3-way factory
> > splice' someplace which does not seem to be obvious from
> > looking at the harness (for a total of hours!). Also, since
> > this is, after all, 40 year old wiring and I am hoping to
> keep
> > the car till I can no longer drive, removing the dash/harness
> > and trying to makeup a new one (or find someone who has
> already
> > done this and can make on for me) is the only other
> alternative
> > I can think of. I REALLY don't want to have to do this or
> even
> > think about removing the dash. However..!!!....Having said
> > that, several other IML members have been kind enough to send
> > photos and their own 'dash removal' stories (as well as 'you
> > can do it' good wishes) regarding their own experiences with
> > dash removal and the wiring problems they found after taking
> > the harness apart looking for their own electrical
> 'gremlins'.
> > As I stated, I really don't want to have to remove either the
> > Dash or the harness, but, if I continue to have ele. problems
> I
> > figure that there is ONLY one way to do this...and that's the
> > right way!!... meaning, remove the whole thing and put in a
> new
> > harness; have the gauges all redone while the dash is out;
> have
> > the radio completely restored; refinish the wood dash
> > panels...and probably several other things that will have to
> be
> > addressed at the time as well.
> > ...Sorry for the long-winded answer but, as I said, I REALLY
> do
> > not WANT to remove/replace the Dash/Harness but ..... "ya
> gotta
> > do, what ya gotta do!"
> > Thanks!
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > ---- randalpark@xxxxxxx wrote: 
> > 
> > =============
> > Can you tell us why you think you need to make new wiring
> > harness for 
> > both of your cars? The wiring in '66 was quite good. Good
> > enough that 
> > anything needs to be repaired should be possible without
> total 
> > replacement.
> > 
> > Paul W.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 2:39 pm
> > Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Bob!..sure sounds like a heck of a problem if I wanted to
> > make a 
> > whole new
> > harness.....you mentioned Greg Leggatt....would he possibly
> > have the 
> > material
> > and diagrams needed to make up a new wiring harness for my 66
> 
> > Imperials?..or are
> > they very very expensive to have made up???
> > Thanks for your email!
> > Dan Melnik
> > 
> > 
> > ---- Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > =============
> > You would be amazed at the number of changes in the wiring
> > harness from 
> > 64
> > to 65 and from 65 to 66. I supplied patterns to Greg Leggatt
> > who builds 
> > new
> > wiring harnesses (email:
> > leggatt@xxxxxxx ) .
> > 
> > As Greg and I went through the original harnesses from 64, 65
> > and 66, 
> > it
> > made no sense why Chrysler made some of the changes.......for
> > instance, 
> > in
> > 64 the connections to the front turn signal lights use a
> female
> > 
> > connection,
> > but in 65 they changed to a male connection.........
> > 
> > Then you add the complication of a different wiring harness
> for
> > cars 
> > with AC
> > or with AC and AutoPilot or with 4 way flasher.  I didn't
> even
> > mention 
> > the
> > signal sentry system (not used in 64). It can be a nightmare.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: IML: wiring harness
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi All...question for the '1964-66' guru's.......I know
> that
> > the 
> > 64-65
> > > Imperials used the 413 motor which changed to the 440 in
> > '66....wold 
> > a
> > > engine compartment wiring harness for either one of these
> > yeras 
> > (64,65,66)
> > > also fit the other years? ..or is the wirng for the 440
> > completely
> > > different for the '66???
> > > Thanks all!
> > > Dan Melnik
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
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