Mike;
 The problem is that they are NOT beholden to the stockholders. The 
stockholder has common stock and the money guys have preferred stock 
The preferred stock votes.
There is a bill in Congress now to give the stockholder more say over 
the top pay, which has gotten out of hand. I don't care how good a CEO 
is, if paid $600 Million, there would be a line 2 blocks long of 
qualified people for the job at $10 Million, and that's too much. Hell, 
they get paid even if they get thrown out!
 The bailout is structured 2 ways at this point. Just give them each 
$25B to spend (look how that works with the banks), or buy into them 
for $25B.
If the government buys into them, then it's with taxpayers rules, and 
they can and should be restructured.
The original $25B was to pay for research and development of better 
fuel efficient cars, but the car companies already want to use it to 
fill up their bank holdings.
I agree, let them go bankrupt.
 Back 20+ years ago, while the US Mfg. were crying about meeting the 
milage requirements, the jap cars were meeting them for 2-3 years in 
advance. No problem, they just did it.
I retired 9 years ago as a Master Auto Tech, Acura for the last 9 
working years, Honda before that and Toyota before that and I raised my 
family on VW. Both at the dealerships and with my own VW racing/repair 
business. All those cars always were not only superior to US cars, but 
the corporate attitude was that if you bought their car and took care 
of it, they would cover it under warranty if it was something that 
shouldn't have failed. I repaired many cars with 70-80k on them, with 
the Mfg. covering the parts and the customers paying for the labor at 
warrantee rates.
With US cars, at 36,001 it was not covered, too bad.
Ray
On Nov 17, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Mike Apfelbeck wrote:
Fired by whom?
 They need to be beholden to the stockholders, the owners of the 
company, no one else. The government has no business running a car 
company. Do you think the people who spend $5 million dollars of the 
taxpayers' money yearly on a huge jet plane just for Nancy Pelosi's 
weekly commute from DC to California have any business telling anyone 
else  how to run their affairs? Let em go to bankruptcy court, we 
taxpayers don't need to pay for their mistakes.
At 08:06 AM 11/17/2008, Ray Jones wrote
 Which ever way it goes, the top 4 levels of execs should be fired on 
the spot, with no exit packages and no bonuses. Same for anything else 
the Gov. takes over, walk in, excort the execs out, and replace with 
qualified people responsible to the Feds.
Ray
  
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