[FWDLK] If a Plymouth rots in the forest and no one sees it does that mean its not there

[Scott H <kneedrager@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

If a Plymouth rots in the forest and no one sees it does that mean its not
there?

I think there could be some percentage that are owned by people by people
not active in the hobby enough to report their existance.  There could be
some be out there sitting in a desert behind a barn or silently rotting here
in the North East. It is a shame to think that they may be junked/crushed
for a variety of reasons without anyone ever knowing.
To the average person none of these cars (well maybe the Fury's) will ever
be worth restoring from a financial standpoint.  Heck, until I stumbled on
this list I thought that I probably owned one of the  LAST 56 Plymouth's in
New York. A LOT of people remembered the car and a few said they even owned
one at one time but I at that time I had never seen another one either
driving or parked. (Never saw a 56 Dodge either).  That is the very reason I
held on to them. Anyone can do a Chevy it takes real dedication
(frustration?) to restore a 50's MOPAR.  I don't have to tell anyone in this
group about wandering around swap meets for hours and coming up empty handed
on 50's MOPAR parts.

I guess it comes back around to Dave for starting this board, maintaining it
and keeping it running. I suspect a lot of cars owe their continued
existence to Dave and the information that is shared by this group.


Scott
1956 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer
2002 Dodge Ram Quad Cab





----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 1959 New Yorker convertibles - How Many Left?
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 03:09:06 -0400

Doesn't matter.  Cars migrate, people migrate.   What's more, for "more
sold" I can go to one yard in particular and GM or Ford stuff far outnumbers
MoPar - although a good number of decklids all carry dealer markings, and
virtually all of them are local to the region.  With exception of the '61
Chrysler 4dr with a 1969 Florida inspection sticker and even the plate still
on it; there could be others as well I'm not yet aware of.  There are a lot
of variables out there.  But the point is that if you assume there are 114
'59 New Yorker convertibles in existance (40%), that is a very small number
of cars with a very. very large area for them to be hidden away in.   It is
IMPOSSIBLE to say with certainty that every example has been located and is
known of.   Until 6 months ago, I didn't pay much attention at all to the
MoPar stuff - I knew where some of it was, I even knew about the 60 New
Yorker wagons having seen them once before about 4 years ago.   But no one
else did until now.

Sure, the number as an overall percentage for each year goes down all the
time.  People still scrap them, and some are so bad they're not good for
much else.  I know of a huge collection of decent cars and unless someone
has about 2 million they don't need, to buy the place out, probably 90% of
them will be crushed this fall or next. You folks on this list are in luck,
because as soon as I can get in there I'll be documenting stuff and anything
Forward Look will be posted here.  The people who own this are just too damn
lazy to bother to do the same thing... their loss is my gain.  How many more
of those exist still?  I'm sure they're not everywhere, but I am sure there
are others.



Bill K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Casey" <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 1959 New Yorker convertibles - How Many Left?


> You need to remember a couple things. First, Mopars were bought more in
the
> north than in the south. In the south, Fords and Chevrolets are more
> prevolent in the yards than anything else. Secondly, a 50% survival rate
is
> a poor assumption. It was valid during exactly one point in history. As
time
> passes, that rate will go down. I'm sure if we felt like it (I don't)
that
> we could derive a mathematical formula to estimate the surviving
percentage
> based on desirability, durability, and age.
>
> Dave Casey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill K." <pontiac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 1959 New Yorker convertibles - How Many Left?
>
>
> > Like I said, too many possibilities for old cars in barns, garages,
back
> > lots, junkyards, abandoned in the woods, collected by people.
> >
> > I would have a hard time believing that New York is the only state
where
> > there are so many old cars around.  I am sure some states especially
small
> > ones are pretty bare for old cars, but then you have western states
with
> > lots of room for land not used for much that cars can sit on.
> >
> > Someone has to care about the car enough to be involved with one of
these
> > groups to report that it exists, and until someone who cares finds the
> cars,
> > you won't know that it's there, espcially if it's not registered.
> >
> > I've even come up with several different Imperials that have production
> runs
> > of about 1000 cars each, or seen them - one 61 2dr, one 60 4dr, and I
> > spotted a '59 or '60 2dr the other day.
> >
> > My friend owns a 1932 Guilder truck.  Said to be one of only 3 in the
> world,
> > but I highly doubt that.   He has a '27 Chrysler dealer service truck
and
> > until a guy with a restored example of same met him, they both thought
> they
> > might have the only one.  There's more.  The truck in particular, maybe
> > there is a ravine with a dozen of them in it on someone's farm.  The
point
> > is until someone who cares enough to even find out what make of truck
they
> > are, discovers them, NO ONE WILL KNOW.
> >
> >
> > It's a matter of being optomistic or pessimistic.   I think they're
there,
> > and so far I've proven myself right.
> >
> >
> > Bill K.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <A57FURY@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 1959 New Yorker convertibles - How Many Left?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would have to agree with Mark about the number of survivors.  I
would
> > think
> > > that there are 100 to 150 '57 Furys (on the road) left out of the
7400+
> > cars
> > > that were manufactured in 1957.  I would think that there is a higher
> > > percentage of 1959 Chrysler New Yorker convertibles as they were made
> > better and
> > > lasted a lot longer than the '57 Plymouths which fell apart after a
> couple
> > of
> > > years.  Of course the number would be less as only 259 convertibles
(I
> > believe that
> > > was the # that was quoted in the e-mail) were put on the road that
year.
> > > Just my thoughts.
> > > John Paxos
> > > '57 Fury
> > > '57 Belvedere Convertible
> > >
> >
> >
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