I don't know what the laws are now, but while living in Kansas, my new '87
Jeep Cherokee was taxed at the same rate as my real estate, except real
estate was taxed at 35% of appraised value and the car at 100%--with no
reduction for three years. As a result, the car tax was close to my house
tax.
Then, in Texas-in the early '90's, anything and everything automotive was
flat rate registration only at about $45. New Rolls Royce, Model A,
Ferrari, Studebaker--whatever. Yankee oil money and prudent spending
habits
helped hold down all TX TAX. No income tax there, last I heard. That has
probably gone by the wayside. Sales tax is charged on gross cost for
whatever the transaction was--as recorded on a sales voucher. Buyers try
to
get the seller to put down a phony low price, but to do so is a felony.
Iowa used to apply sales tax to only the difference paid, if a car is
traded
in to a dealer. That was easy to get used to.
Now CA. Sales tax on gross amount, property tax on gross amount, slowly
depreciated. A former law applied a penalty to any used vehicle brought
into CA for non-smog compliance. This was overturned in the courts and we
received a refund with interest. The rest of the story is that CA real
estate tax increase is limited to 2%/year, thus retaining ability to live
in
a house that may be appreciating at astronomical rate. The resulting cash
crunch has made CA desperate for tax revenue from all other sources--thus
driving out many businesses and highly-compensated individuals.
Death and taxes-unavoidable.
Rich Barber
Brentwood, CA
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[mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anthony C. Boatman
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:15 AM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] old car taxes?
Chiming in from Idaho, we can register any car older than 25 years as a
classic for a one-time fee of $50. The law says any car with classic
plates
can only be driven to and from car shows and parades, and no more than
2,000
miles a year. In typical Idaho shoulder-shrugging fashion, nobody much
cares and I don't know of anyone ever busted for breaching the law. Since
I
drive all three of my cars on a regular basis, including to and from work,
I
have them registered as regular vehicles just to be safe - and honest.
Tony Boatman
1957 Dodge CRL 2dr HT (aka Bertha)
1969 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible (aka Barbie)
1985 Bitter SC 3.9 Coupe (aka Brunhilde)
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[mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Jones
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] old car taxes?
To add to this thread:
Here in Arkansas, over 25 years old and it qualifies for an Antique
Car tag. Cost $10.00, one time. Can't be transfered to another car, but
you never have to renew it again. Has to be insured, and you must have
another car/truck with a current regular tag. We do pay annual property
tax on homes, land and vehicles, called "assessment". When they get to
25 years old the tax is about $5. You can also get a permanent Trailer
Tag for $35.00 and it never has to be renewed. For the most part, small
trailers such as Golf Cart trailers, never seem to get tagged at all.
Doesn't seem to matter.
As to "unsightly", if that applied here, the Dentist's would love it.
Living Rural, means there's no Permits, Inspections, or Zoning Laws.
Park as many as you want, build any building you want, open a business
if you want, if it doesn't involve food, (Health Insp.) help yourself.
The neighbors won't complain, 'cause then YOU could complain about
their place, and they're not having that crap!
With wonderful people, beautiful scenery, very reasonably priced
acreage, homes, or any combination of them, there's not much reason to
live anywhere else, that is, anywhere out of URBAN Areas.
On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:52 AM, David Homstad wrote:
Ted,
In my opinion, there is a legal challenge here waiting for the right
lawyer. A secret value tax on property that bears no resemblance to
its actual value sounds illegal to me. You might plant the idea in
some lawyer's head that if these millions were collected illegally, he
might get to keep a third of the refunds as his fee.
If the old car fraternity is tired of being a "cash cow", it is time
to organize a revolt. Somebody in NC should collect all the car clubs
in the state together into a club for car clubs. The goal of the "NC
Car Club Association" would be to organize non-conflicting dates for
shows and to contribute to a fund to provide a part time lobbyist in
the legislature. If you can collect enough bodies with one voice, they
will be heard. If no legislators want to listen, let them know your
group will be actively campaigning AGAINST them. They are taking money
out of your pocket, so why not take money out of theirs?
In Minnesota, we do have a car club association for organizing events.
There are about 100 clubs in the association. The MN Street Rod
Association (MSRA) (one club) has 10,000 members and their own
lobbyist. Annual license fees for new cars are about $300, but this
drops yearly to a bottom of $50. Through the efforts of the MSRA, any
car over 20 years old can be registered as a classic for $25, with no
annual fees of any kind forever. They got other items allowed, such as
registering license plates from the year the car was manufactured, and
a flat $90 sales tax on sold collector vehicles (even if it is worth 1
million). They also got emissions testing eliminated for all cars by
providing data of its ineffectiveness!
Dave Homstad
56 Dodge D500
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From: Cebuisle2@xxxxxxx [mailto:Cebuisle2@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:06 AM
To: L-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: old car taxes?
I appreciate Roger's problems with California's taxes. Lived there
myself years ago'
Here in North Carolina they have a different swindle going. The car is
valued according to a "value book " that no one ever sees. It
apparently is kept in Raleigh. No other value books are allowed. This
book rates cars as "restored" so you pay a tax based on their
assessment of a number one vehicle. It doesn't matter that your car is
a parts vehicle that will never run, or like mine, is just a Saturday
night driver to the local Sonic complete with rust spots.
In addition to the yearly tax there is of course the annual license
fee, same as all other cars.
You don't have to license a parts car, but still must pay the annual
tax. This results in the guy with a rusted out old car out back
junking the car rather than paying an annual tax on it.
The wrecking yard owners love this set up, as they can then sell parts
from it after the county orders it confiscated for non payment of the
tax, or other "unsightly" issues.
Roger mentions that politicians rate lower than used car salesmen.
Remember, the vast majority of politicians are lawyers, and on surveys
they rate under used car salesmen also-
The old car fraternity is regarded as a "cash cow" by the politicians,
and worse by your next door neighbor. Only by uniting as a political
action group can we secure protection from the buzzards. But by
nature-old car enthusiasts are reluctant joiners-
Been there--- Ted
55 Imperial sedan
56 Dodge Royal sedan
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