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I feel I must make some sort of statement here. I have no idea what transpired between Andrew, Mark, and Neil, but I do want to speak up on behalf of Andrew and Mark. In Tulsa, I had just parked Mr. Finzzz at the indoor show, and was setting up my display and beginning to clean the dirt, etc off from the long trip from Oregon, when these two guys came up and started complimenting the car. Not wanting to be rude, even though I was busy, I engaged them in conversation, as they were obviously forward look fans, to say the least. Very shortly, I needed help moving some things, and before you knew it, these two were doing more cleaning, moving, polishing, etc, than I was!! They seemed to just enjoy being around, in this
case, another 1957 Plymouth. The conversation was great, as was the company, and my wife, father, and I spent a good amount of time with Mark and Andrew, as well as Colin and many other Mopar fans from down under during our time in Tulsa. A thank you from me to them is in order for their company and time and assistance - THANK YOU! It seems they don't post much to the list, and neither do I. Because of this, I just felt it was appropriate for me to be someone who can attest to the apparent good nature of these two gentlemen. I'm sure, as Dave stated, that the miscommunication is probably due to a technological problem, rather than a personal one. Neil, you're a good guy, too, in my book. So take that hurt puppy dog look off your
face!! Mark J. Hash 1957 Plymouth Fury Sutherlin, OR
Andrew Sharpe <mopar58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear list members,
I am writing in response to the recent posting from Neil
Vedder casting unfavorable comments regarding the character of two
fellow list members. The list members in question are myself, Andrew
Sharpe and my Tulsa traveling companion Mark Sandwith from Ballarat,
Australia. Since we have nothing to hide and have done absolutely
nothing wrong, you are all welcome to know who we are.
Ron Mog's replacement idler-arm bush has been in my possession
for
some time [Neil now has a picture of this item to ease his mind].
The replacement bush will be posted to Ron as was always intended, along
with some specific gifts from our US trip and an enlarged print of our
cars on their Tulsa pilgrimage as a "thank you" for the warm welcome and
assistance Mark and I received from Ron and his wife. I might also add
that full payment was offered to Ron upon the installation if the idler
bush in question.
Contrary to Neil's statement, I personally have received not a
single email from him regarding the issue at hand, if I had, the matter
would have been promptly dealt with. I find his comments to be
unfounded and based on assumption and speculation more than anything
else. I have emailed Neil privately to explain the situation and he is
now fully aware of his error in judgment. Neil is planing to contact the
FL list to retract his statement and hopefully apologize.
Wishing all
list members and their loved ones a Happy Christmas and safe
New Year.
Regards,
Andrew in Australia
> I apologize for this long message, and anyone bored or offended by it
> may delete it.
>
> My story involves the following life-lessons, which we all should be
> generally aware of, but which
> never hurts to reiterate, in case we ever decide to do anyone else a
> financial favor:
>
> 1) Military: Never volunteer
>
> 2) Civilian: No good deed goes un-punished
>
> 3) Gambler: Never wager/risk more than you can afford to lose
>
> 4) Investor: Never invest/risk more than you can afford to lose
>
> 5) Negotiator: Never bargain where your highest outcome is a no-win
> situation
>
> 6) Conservative: You get what you deserve ; blame the victim ;
> (almost) no one is trustworthy
>
> 7) Liberal:
Forgive-and-forget ; stay on the high-ground ; (almost) no
> one is not trustworthy
>
> 8) Cynic: Never forget the price of everything, value does not matter
> ; what's-in-it-for-ME ?
>
> 9) Ebayer: Never ship anything out of the U.S.
>
> 10) Faux News: We report, you decide
>
> 11) Me: Live and learn
>
> I'm not going to name-names, here, but I'll be glad to provide them,
> on a PM basis.
>
> Back in June, my friend Ron Mog, who made the pilgrimage to Tulsa,
> allowed a couple
> "tourists", who were going-on , to Tulsa, too, to use his home
> garage's hydraulic lift, to service their
> newly-bought 1961 Newport. Ron provided grease/lube and tools, but
> also an idler-arm rebuilding
> kit (which service the car really needed).
>
> It was agreed that the 2 men would send Ron another 'kit', after they
> returned
home.
>
> Never happened.
>
> I PM'ed 'them' several times (Ron having no confuser), but never got
> any response ; the last time, Ron had asked me to try to
> get a $20.00 bill out of them, in the mail.
>
> Never happened.
>
> Now, the reason that I'm writing all this, is merely this: on 11/13/07
> I paid $422.12 for an actual UPS billing,
> that I voluntarily paid, and for which I expected full reimbursement,
> on a package of FWDLK parts which
> was sent to a Foreign Country.
>
> I had never shipped anything large, to another country, before, by
> UPS, or USPS (#9, above)
>
> I have no financial profit in this transaction. ( #2, and #3/#5)
>
> Before this occurrence, I had volunteered (#1; and I was in the Navy)
> to help the individual make an order
> thru Gary Goers, which, for me, has not been a problem. I even
>
volunteered to PAY Gary (#1 & #3/#5)
> for the parts, and hope to receive reimbursement for that expense (#7)
> at a later date. I do not know if
> Gary has been paid, as the shipping matter hit-the-fan before I could
> write a check to Gary. I am prepared
> to pay Gary, if necessary, as it was my order to him (#4 ).
>
> The beneficiary of this matter is, of course, the parts recipient,
> who, today tried to make himself the victim
> (#6) by saying that I had failed to inspect the trunk panels(about
> which I had NO involvement), as well
> as saying that I "should have known that the USPS would be cheaper"
> to send the stuff, overseas, than
> "good old(?)" UPS.
>
> Now, probably no one here has had experience with shipping via UPS,
> but, they are an international
> package shipping business.
>
> Business competition being what it is, and (in part)
because I HAVE
> routinely used UPS to
> ship packages, and Gary Goers' parts-stash was sent via UPS, and the
> trunk-stuff was sent Fed Ex Ground
> (iirc) to me (for incorporation with Gary's stuff, for a 1-package
> deal ; what-a-guy) , I put the
> stuff together & took it to UPS depot, waited in line, got to the
> counter, and the nice lady, there, said :
> "Oooh, this is going to be expensive".
>
> As I am not poor, but not rich, and as I knew of no other cheaper
> means to ship the package (weight:
> 37 lbs, total) , I gulped and gave the lady my credit card.
>
> Altho I have not done so, I do know of several persons who have
> shipped entire cars across the pond
> and I know that international shipping is not cheap. That knowledge,
> as much as anything (and the hope
> of getting reimbursed ; #7) persuaded me to finalize this dope-deal,
>
which, again, I had no financial
> profit, what-so-ever, in contributing-to
>
> So, per #10, and #6, above, I am NOT looking for any sympathy, or
> (much) commiseration (#6, after-all!),
> but I do want to state, for the possible benefit of anyone who might
> be interested in doing anyone else a good-faith
> good-samaritan , but possibly-flawed, (financial) favor, please see
> #8, and all the other Life Lessons,
> before deciding what to do.
>
> So, what have we learned, today?
>
> Ron Mog graciously allows his personal property to be used, and gets
> stiffed, over $20.00 retail value of
> a idler-arm rebuilding kit.
>
> And I, not knowing any better, rely on UPS to tell me what it wants to
> ship a 37 lb package overseas, and
> I get stiffed, for $422.12 .
>
> I have no recourse, except for the writing of this message, but, I
> am
willing to abide by #11, above.
>
>
> Neil Vedder
>
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