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NO! Anything was NOT possible on the Chrysler
assembly line !!! They were in the business of making cars to sell, and
the line was to keep going except for emergencies. Cars with minor defects
were corrected off the end of the line. So does anyone really think that
the assembly guys ran over to the Dodge plant, got a front clip and all the
trimmings, carried it back to the Plymouth plant or Chrysler plant, got it in
sequence and put it on a production car? Just to make a
one-off?
Canadian cars, such as Dodge Kingsways, are a
different matter, as they were assembled in Canada. Export models such as
DeSoto Diplomat were sequenced for their peculiar mix of parts.
Do you know how few bolts hold on the front clip on
these cars? It's a pretty simple matter for a hobbyist to change clips and
have a one-of-none car.
Why put a '59 Dodge clip on a 300D?
Dunno. It's buttugly. But it's may be do-able, and the front
medallion could be crafted by anyone. There's still the wheelbase issue,
unless maybe the body and frame started life as a '58 Windsor with 122"
wheelbase. Working the other way, let's suppose some guy started with a
'58 Windsor and wanted to clone a 300. He couldn't use a 300C-D-E front
clip, so he'd have to find something else that would fit a 122" wheelbase, like
a '59 Dodge. Makes as much or more sense than somebody cobbling up a real
300.
Perhaps there were some products like this out of
the special or experimental shops at Chrysler, we may still have some list
members who worked there then, BUT I'd discourage this line of thinking in favor
of the considerable likelihood that some restorer did this in his
backyard. The reason I say this is that it denegrates Chrysler Corp. to
make it sound like they just threw stuff together. They weren't
anal-retentive about documenting things like some car makers, but that was
probably because their main interest was getting them out the door and on their
way to dealers.
--Roger van Hoy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 8:18
AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
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Apologize for my initial overreaction. Regarding the
pics....while I suppose "anything" is possible on a Chrysler assembly
line, especially with export models, I myself cannot fathom why a
restorer would go to all the time, trouble, expense and effort to
restore a "wrecked" 300 letter car only to undermine their own
reconstruction by putting a Dodge front clip on it.
BTW, did you happen to notice that is does distinctly say "300" on
the lower part of the hood ornament?
In any event...best to just let this one rest and simply move
on.
--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Jim Rawa
<jrawa@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, November 8,
2010, 12:24 PM
corrections... noticed as hitting send...
[tuffshift]
pictures
and should have said chassis/platform regarding the H to avoid
any corrections since 60-up are unitized body construction-
-----Original
Message----- From: Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 7:17
am Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
hmmmm... that wasnt a
personal attack on you [tuffshit]... but more of an education for
those out there who believe "the story"- i've only owned 75 or more
57-9 mopars covering almost every model made- except a 59 windsor- why
i made the comment of not sure- that right there would be a 58 windsor
[not 57 - telltale =windshield] with a 59 dodge nose and "Letter"
trim.... a 59 is a completely different car, fins etc..
picuteres are nice... but
you're more than welcome to come and visit, see all 3 chassis
[118,122, and 126"] with and without bodies, and i will give an
in-person demonstration of how a dodge nose WILL NOT be an
interchangeable item on a full size chrysler.
letter cars did not downsize
until '62 to 122" when the H was built on the newport/dodge880
chassis.
-----Original
Message----- From: Karl Peterson < tuffshift@xxxxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent:
Sun, Nov 7, 2010 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
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"so the "story" of a 300E with a dodge nose
didnt happen, unless of course they also swapped the chassis-
since im not sure if the windsor in 59 was a 122" wb like 57/8
windsors..."
The "STORY", ya say? Like what are alluding?....that
I just made that up? Here, for your
edification:
Sure looks like 1959 300E with a 1959 Dodge front clip on
it to me. What say you now about my "story"?
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On Sun, 11/7/10, Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
From:
Jim Rawa <jrawa@xxxxxxx>
Subject:
Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
Sunday, November 7, 2010, 1:50 PM
all that is is a 58 savoy that needed a nose after a
possible accident and a 59 dodge nose was available... all
118/122" wb noses interchange- that means all plymouths,
dodges, and desoto firesweep and chrysler windsor.
the firedome and full size chryslers are 126wb and the
fenders are longer- so the "story" of a 300E with
a dodge nose didnt happen, unless of course they also swapped
the chassis- since im not sure if the windsor in 59 was a 122"
wb like 57/8 windsors...
-----Original
Message----- From: Jan & Roger van Hoy < vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent:
Sat, Nov 6, 2010 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is
this?
Some of these weird combinations
are the offspring of some freaky creative types, not factory
issued. A while back there was a "factory" '61 "Mexican"
Plymouth with a Dodge front clip that was debunked by some of
our list members as a recent creation. It helps that the
front doors were basically the same on many different
models. GM copied that idea in '59.
--Roger van Hoy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday,
November 06, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK]
OK, WTF is this?
You think that's
weird....I saw a pic of a 59 Chrysler 300E with a 59
Dodge front clip on it. Ma Chrysler had some
really odd "Frankensteins" during the days of the
FWDLK era.
--- On Sat, 11/6/10,
Daniel Andersson <danne.mobil@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From:
Daniel Andersson <danne.mobil@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
Re: [FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:
Saturday, November 6, 2010, 11:51 AM
Sine the owner says that the VIN is incorrect
this car isn't real but there was Plymouths
built with Dodge front clip.
In Sweden in the 50s (aswell as in Canada) the
was Plymouths with DeSoto front = DeSoto Diplomat
and there was Plymouths with Dodge front = Dodge
Kingsway. The Kingsway had the Plymouth dash but
with the letters "D O D G E" in the aluminium around
the speedo instead of "P L Y M O U T H". Here is a
few cars left here in Sweden mostly 4 door
sedan sine most of them where used as taxis
when they where new. If you searh for the "Kingsway"
I think you can find the information
Daniel Andersson
Sweden
----- Original
Message -----
Sent:
Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:06 AM
Subject:
[FWDLK] OK, WTF is this?
I know Chrysler did the Plodge thing
in Canada, but a 59 Dodge nose on a '58
Plymouth body, this isn't real is it?
Adam Lindenbaum
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