Re: [FWDLK] Restoration & Preservation.

One more thing I must bring up in this discussion. Charlie, the man who built my Fury, was a drag racer in the 50's who ran a Fury 318 2x4 in a late 40's Ford coupe, then later on a 413 in the same car. In '66 he was looking for a cheap car with dual quads that he could set up and be competitive with, he located a '58 Fury Golden Commando for $200, tuned it, changed gears and ran it. That car set a National record in it's class at National Speedway running a 14.7 stock. Several years and about 6 or 7 Furys later and a 440 6 pack Belvedere (all '58s) my car with the Hemi was born, the quickest, baddest Fury probably built at that time (12.4 @110 with traction problems), totally streetable and built out of the cleanest Plymouth body I've ever seen (much less Fury) other than Victor Corio/Art Linden/Ed Eckerson's Golden Commando car. If there were more Charlies out there more Plymouths may have survived. People all think of '57 Chevys as America's car, why? Mostly in the 60's and 70's they were the hot rodder's choice, nobody was restoring 10 and 15 year old cars, but hot rodders were preserving them. Just think about it.

In a message dated 1/26/2011 6:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

My big gripe is not hot rods but one-of-none cars that people try to pass
off as coming from the factory that way. Money is a big motivator to claim
some sort of pedigree that doesn't really exist. "It might have" does not
mean "It did."

Hope nobody looks at all the NAPA parts on my ol' clunkers...

That brings us to another point, show restoration vs. driver quality. I
sure like my drivers, because I'm not afraid to get them on the road and use
them as cars, not oversized lawn ornaments.

Another factor in correct restoration of our cars in the unavailability of
parts. I've got a brand F that I can open six or eight catalogs and shop
for NORS parts by price without any scrounging. Too bad Ma MoPar parts
aren't as readily available. Maybe Tony Fiat will work on that.

Does it really really matter if you have the correct date coded dipstick?
Isn't it every bit as important to get the cars out in public view?

--Roger van Hoy

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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Restoration & Preservation.

> I've got to disagree, respectfully, but ADAMENTLY, with Adam's assertion
> that it is
> so all-powerd-ly difficult to create a "hot rod" out of a FWDLK'er,
> compared to the
> 100% restoration of a FWDLK'er (assuming an identical #1 final-condition
> end result concerning
> both versions of that same hypothetical car).
>
> We all know that there is, essentially, only one way, and one part, which
> will restore a FWDLK'er
> correctly, and that each part's condition (mechanical-physical) WILL vary
> considerably from another
> one of it.
>
> That's not quite true, in the creation of a "hot rod", which tends to use
> all-newly made parts on it.
>
> Restoration involves boots on the ground scrounging; Hot Rodding involves
> catalog subscriptions.
>
> NOW, somebody could, clearly, spend some mega-bucks in the creation of a
> hot rod (the mind
> boggles with the infinite possibilities) out of a FWDLK'er, compared to
> its correct restoration
> costs.
>
> But, as far as PITA-difficulty is concerned, if a true #1 condition
> restoration is concerned, compared
> to a #1-condition hot rod, all that the rodder needs is a fat wallet and
> somebody's skilled labor,
> compared with the restorer's blood/sweat/tears/research/luck AND a fat
> wallet and some skilled labor.
>
> It's all our own cars (custodianship) to do whatever we want to do to
> them, but, don't expect me to get
> all misty-eyed over looking at 'your' car's chromed chain-link steering
> wheel and 20" 'spinner' wheels.
>
> And, this has NOTHING to do with Adam's cars, I'm just addressing his
> argument----my own ride has
> quite a few (non-obvious) modifications (hot-rodding..) to it, during my
> 30+ years custodianship of it.
>
> Neil Vedder
>
>
>
>
>
> Lindenbaum wrote:
>> And letting them sit in junkyards, backyards, and driveways rotting is
>> better than building hot rods! Makes sense to me. Why does the concours
>> d'elegance show have classes for hot rods if they are so evil? I love my
>> cars, more than most of you probably love yours, they are HOT RODS. One
>> was a one owner, original paint, unmolested '58 318 2x4 Fury up until the
>> late '80s, I'm more proud of that car and my now passed on friend who
>> built it than most of you could imagine, I'm glad it offends narrow
>> minded puritans like yourselves. I appreciate cars, stock, hot rods,
>> kustoms, whatever, nice is nice, period. I guess that's why hot rodders
>> are more popular and common, we like everything, puritans feel we should
>> all think like them. And we bust our asses working on our cars just as
>> much,if not more so don't give me this " It takes more work to restore a
>> car" crap! I've done both, it takes more engineering and fabrication to
>> build a safe, reliable hot rod than to clean up or replace parts that
>> were meant to be bolted to that specific car..
>> Adam Lindenbaum
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Louis Rugani <x779@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 9:41 am
>> Subject: [FWDLK] Restoration & Preservation.
>>
>> It's all about where and with whom one associates. The prestigious AACA
>> is still the biggest old-car group, where historical accuracy and
>> correctness is both sought and celebrated, just the same as the founding
>> principles behind this Forward-Look group.
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