Re: [Chrysler300] 300F Tire questions - again!
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Re: [Chrysler300] 300F Tire questions - again!
- From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:16:54 EDT
Yes, the Universal American Classics. ---Gil
In a message dated 8/12/2009 12:41:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Gil -
When you refer to Universal AC, are you talking about American Classics ?
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: <lettercars@xxxxxxx>
To: <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>; <cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300F Tire questions - again!
> Tony, Noel and All:
> Gil Cunningham here. I sure wish I could report all was well with my
> Universal AC tires, but, unfortunately such is not the case. As Tony
> mentioned, while up in PA at the meet I stopped by the Universal Tire
> place in
> Hershey because their tires I had mounted and balanced here in
Tallahassee
> did
> not ride as smooth as I felt they should. There were far more
"vibration"
> areas than with the 30 something year old B.F. Goodrich Silvertowns that
I
> had used to attend four meets. (Given to me by member Terry
McTaggart!)
> Of
> course, those were bias ply tires---if that should matter. I must state
> that the Universal people were extremely willing and anxious to help.
No
> complaints in that department at this time. They ended up changing out
3
> of
> the 4 new tires (1000+ miles on them), mostly because the sidewalls did
> not
> look right. (raised areas, both radially and circumferentially. .I
> personally watched all zero out on the balancer. They even took the
> precaution
> to put the two which showed a little run-out on the rear. I worked
along
> with them.
> On the way back to our hotel, I did feel there was definite improvement,
> especially at highway speeds. On the way back to Florida, however, it
> became increasingly evident that the vibration, if anything, was worse
in
> the
> mid-speed ranges, and was most noticeable and annoying when the road was
> smoothest! Definitely unacceptable, and far worse than that SET of
> radial
> tires I bought for the 300H at Discount Tire many years ago for $95.00
> (Plus
> tax, of course!) That is not a typo---$95.00!! They have served very
> well
> while driving to many meets and hardly look worn.
> Anyway, that is my story. I called Universal after we arrived home and
> explained the situation, but did not ask for anything specific, and
> nothing
> was offered. I have not driven the car since, so don't know if some
> miraculous "healing" has taken place while it has been resting. Ha.
I
> guess I
> will give it another test drive and then write Universal a letter.
What
> to
> ask for? Coker replacements? Afraid of them yet. My B.F.G.s are
long
> gone
> (worn out anyway). Maybe another balance? Go back to bias? Don't
know.
> So no, I can't recommend Universal ACs I am sorry to say. They do
look
> great. Makes me wish the car was a trailer queen--- then I wouldn't
> care.
> 300ly, Gil
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/11/2009 8:04:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> There are well over 100 sets of Coker 235/75R14 on our cars today.
> Generally, they require alot of lead to balance. They have not been any
> of the
> other problems that have been associated with other size Coler tires.
>
> The ride and steering on mr "F" conv have been great at all
> speeds. My only problem recently was after having the tires rotated
front
> to
> back. Radial pull occurred and had to swap the right to the left to
have
> the
> car track straight again.
>
> The American Classic tire is not the same. Actually it's tread is oh
> so 70's Michelin and exremelt handsome.
>
> I personally had to get the 100 pre sell orders in order to get Coker to
> make this size. With that said, I would prefer the looks of the AC tire
as
> my next choice.
>
> Hope Gil Cunningham chimes on on this discussion since he recently put a
> set of AC on his "F" conv and drove from FL to PA and back. He
> reported some vibration at high speeds and had a couple of tires
swapped
> out
> at an AC dealer in Hershey PA.
>
> Hope Gil will report whether or not the AC are performing well and if he
> would recommend them.
>
> Tony
>
> cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> After reading the Club emails over the past few years discussing tires
-
> I'm still trying to zero in on what to buy for our F Coupe.
>> Re Coker, I'm still hearing issues - just about every Coker-related
> message talks to problems with balancing, and that they've hopefullly
> resolved
> their structural integrity issues. Re American Classics, their website
> gives no info - just refers to Coker, Universal, Lucas as distributors.
> Comparing the Coker and American Classic P235/75R14s, the load
> capacities, tread
> widths, section widths and overall diameters are identical - only Co ker
> catalog's UTQG (Uniform Tire Quality Grade) ratings differ between the
2
> "brands " (American Classic's 540BB rating is apparently better than
> Coker's
> 400BB rating) and the Coker tire price is a few bucks more. Sounds
like
> we're
> still unclear whether American Classic and Co ker are one and the same
> tire - the tread patterns in the catalog photos appear identical.
>> I called Diamond Back this morning and spoke with one of their sales
> reps, Jim. He advised that there's no current maker of a quality
> P235/75R14
> tire today - could be a dig against Coker? He did say that they're
> working on
> a 75 series 14" radial that will approximate the tire size we're all
> looking for. They just received their first test version of it, are were
> not at
> all pleased - he estimates that any such tire won't be ready to market
> until next summer [2010] or later.
>> He did offer up the following suggestion, and I'm wondering if any of
> you have tried this. Diamond Back sells a European Metric tire that's
> also
> used on vans and light trucks, and that he says works very well in
> automotive
> applications. He says handling and road noise are very good. The tire's
> height is 27.3", vs Coker's 27.87"; tread width of 6.3" is the same as
> Coker's; cross-section of 8.5" is 3/4" narrower than Coker's 9.25"; it's
> a 6-ply
> tire rated at 2464# vs Coker's 1930#, is manufactured by Federal, and
it
> replaces 225/75R14 - is described on Page 6 of their 2009 catalog. The
> tire
> does come in a 2 1/2" wide whitewalls.
>> Is anyone out there running these tires? Or had any experience with
> them?
>> And there's also the continuing debate re installing new rims. Diamond
> Back's website quotes the 12/6/07 Old Cars Weekly article that we saw
on
> our
> Club website a few months back, and says the claim is bogus, that
there's
> no alloy difference, and no markings on rims to indicate use with bias
or
> radial tires. DB's argument in fact states that radials absorb more
> impact
> and are therefore less stressful on rims than are bias ply tires. Any
new
> thoughts on this, as we're still running the original 1960 rims on the
F?
>> Th anks for your input, and apologies for again bringing up an old
topic
> !
>> Noel Hastalis
>> Burr Ridge, IL
>> And there's also the continuing debate re installing new rims. Diamond
> Back's website quotes the 12/6/07 Old Cars Weekly article that we saw
on
> our
> Club website a few months back, and says the claim is bogus, that
there's
> no alloy difference, and no markings on rims to indicate use with bias
or
> radial tires. DB's argument in fact states that radials absorb more
> impact
> and are therefore less stressful on rims than are bias ply tires. Any
new
> thoughts on this, as we're still running the original 1960 rims on the
F?
>> Th anks for your input, and apologies for again bringing up an old
topic
> !
>> Noel Hastalis
>> Burr Ridge, IL
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