The article was done by allpar, they used my pictures with permission. I
took those right after Tom had gotten it running.
Don
I
found this article from our own Don Verity about the De Soto fuel
injewction
https://www.allpar.com/threads/1958-chrysler-desoto-electrojector-world%E2%80%99s-first-electronic-fuel-injection.228433/
Hope
it comes through okay
Jerry
Lindsay
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Check this out! McCandless
—Fuel Injected! Vin 0001?
while not wanting to belabor it any more, the “ special
Bendix electrolytic capacitors” are more fairy story .
It is a standard electrical component available for ten
bucks at Mouser . ( Panasonic are the best ones) . Radio guys commonly put
them inside the old cans
for looks . Whatever lifts your boat .
All that said , the basic unit and the engineering conceptual
ideas used in executing it are very poor . As are the injectors . Why it was
pulled . Correct decision .
Beyond that it can enter the realm of Fish Carburetor
etc
Or my grandfather’s Ax . Replaced the handle , later replace
the head. Still his ax
Whatever , i only wish good luck to Mike on it . The decision
what to do needs to be made rationally from a point of truly understanding it ,
not opinion ,— if you really want to drive it — which admittedly colors my
comment , and may not be the end goal at all .
Trailer queen or museum piece may go other ways . All this
has zero to do with the superb skill of restorer . It has to do with whether it
ever worked well enough at all , even with engineering support, for more
than an hour as designed. Call it a failed engineering experiment
pointing to the correct future device .. I do . That is common in engineering .
How you learn .
( ps, the next try on the 318 in the ? 80 Imperial did not
work out so well either , although that can be fixed up )
I would buy a Holley CIS system and adapt to the original
manifold etc . Drive it , lots better than the WCFB too. Still the #1 fuel
injected car. Still fuel injected too)
The restoration company that Mr Mccandless hired for the
restoration is the only one that successfully duplicated all the bendix
capacitors. Tom White Sr is a electrical engineer who worked for Raytheon
in the late fifties to the late seventies. His 58 adventurer ran good and
was rebuilt using as many original parts as possible. I hope to be a part
of this project even if it's supplying some nos parts. Unfortunately I won't be
able to report on the project as there are certain confidentiality stipulations
between the 2 parties. But knowing the Whitehall family as I do the car
will be as close to original as physically possible
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Date: 4/25/21 7:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Check
this out! McCandless —Fuel Injected! Vin 0001?
hi ,
I hope someone looks at the info Bob has on the 300 site ,
all the factory data , tests , decisions they made — and why — and the
also the analysis / report of it I did , looking at it as an EE . I spent a year
on this , wrote it up, as much misinformation was always floating
around . It really interested me, “How did it work?” They were all pulled
because they all failed , and one can see why they failed from the schematic of
it . “ Interference “ by neon signs ? etc etc - are all incorrect . Not
possible . There are no “ vacuum tubes” either . Fairy stories.
Jim B had the original Chrysler engineering test and service
problem info , passed it on to me at the time . I believe Gloria also helped
out. I also found the prints of it ; flat out unworkable very naive design . Not
by Chrysler by the way ,— it was Bendix as a vendor trying to sell them
prototype “ great new idea” aircraft style ? electric fuel injectors on a car .
They made many exotic claims , some at Chrysler believed them .
GM had a fairly good FI coming ,too —Rochester mechanical , —
shook them up at Mopar . Rochester engineers were carb guys, knew the real
issues .
Even if one “ got it running” with the original design and
parts , i doubt you will go 300 miles . And it won’t be pleasant . It might
destroy your engine in fact , due to the exact ways it commonly failed .
Bad news. As in injectors not closing or sealing, steadily leaking fuel
into one cylinder , filling it = hydraulic lock , bent rods etc , —- of course
intermittently . Yow
.... They often had to supply not just carbs , but whole new
service engines . For instance it has a mechanical brush system added to the
distributor to go cylinder to cylinder on the injectors . Not like a rotor
( which does not touch the contacts ) it had to touch reliably (!) at 12 volts .
Right . talk about a D - design idea.
I think those who adapt closed loop O2 sensor systems to the
old throttle body really deserve our praise ,not criticism, as it was
truly too far ahead of 55- 1956 analog technology to ever work . Hide the CPU
box under the dash
Kind of along the lines of wooden wheel bearings lubed by
tallow . yeah , it works , and is “all original “ . You can do that if you
want to .. for about 20 miles. And bring a brush and bucket of NOS tallow.
Walk next to it. And a jack , fire extinguisher , ( if overheats = fire)
and new clean clothes.
John G
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