RE: {Chrysler 300} 61 starter shim

Nick,

What starters did you use? I am thinking of putting in a mini starter in the ’64.

James

From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Nick Taylor
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To: John Nowosacki <jsnowosacki@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} 61 starter shim

I recently put mini starters in both of my 1960 Chryslers and neither had a shim. One of the original starters went in my 1960 Imperial and it didn't have a shim either. I know all my aluminum Torqueflites use shims.

Nick

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 3:12 AM John Nowosacki <jsnowosacki@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Strictly annecdotal, but I've owned 4 different 61 Chryslers, Newport with 361, NYer with 413, and two 300G's, one coupe and one convertible. I never saw a shim on any of the starter motors. YMMV.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 8:48 AM John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

While not an expert on this , I had some experience with 340 .
The big problems come if it goes into far , it can get stuck in mesh . That obviously raises hell .
The machined part of starter nose is obviously precision to .03 or better inherently , but errors in assembly or wear of the solenoid pull travel play into this .
You usually can see the contact pattern on the teeth , see if it is reasonable .

I personally have never seen a shim here but if it went in too far due to something wrong in starter , I could see someone spacing it back . I do not remember on this specific starter but some actually go until they hit the far end bearing or close to it. There may be a thrust ring there to stop it from going too far .

The 340 did not go far enough resulting in loud grinding sometimes . Replacement starter did same thing . I became suspect of location of flywheel /ring gear , flex plate etc etc . Block or trans case machining ? ( 727)
Rather than fight all that , I machined it ..060 off mount face to go in further .

Been trouble free .
I would say if it works does not stick inwards , and always fully engages , let it be .

Maybe this info helps , hope so

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> On Nov 26, 2022, at 8:05 PM, D.C. Mason <petergriffinforpresident@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Hello club,
>
> I am hoping someone has experience with the following. We put a redone starter in a 61, and there is no shim. I believe it should have one. It turns over, but sounds, well, not super smooth. Guessing the design calls for a shim, because I have seen them before, used between the starter and the flywheel housing. We could use as is but the concern would be not to cause undue wear or damage.
>
> Thanks,
> D&K
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