Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas

[William Harrison <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>]

Some times grasshopper it is better to listen to experience and not look down on the old ways.
Many witches brews and home remedies are the basis for many of todays modern meds.
And the old time racers that used moth balls  ground them up into a fine powder before they added them to their gas, that's from one of my uncles who worked the pits for my dad when he raced, and he also told me that it was common practice to replace all filters back then because they raced on dirt but they never had trouble with carbs or gas tanks being gunked up.
Later
Bill Harrison
65 Coronet 2 dr post

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:30 PM
> 
> Interesting discussion on moth balls and octane.
> 
> I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a witch's
> brew, but I think I 
> just repeated myself.  Anyhow I have come
> across/investigated the following 
> two octane boosters that show merit; a significant real
> octane boost for 
> minimal cost p/gal outlay.
> 
> The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane Supreme
> 130.  I ordered one 
> qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco 130. 
> Additionally, if either 
> product shows merit I may be buying regular to large
> quantities.
> 
> Anyhow, the information is out there now and if anyone else
> gives it a test 
> let me know your results and we can compare notes.
> 
> I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded swamp-water in CA
> is good for 9.5 
> to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a great deal on
> internal engine 
> factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned. 
> However, I am extremely 
> encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression engine can be
> run economically 
> with either of these boosters; testing to follow.  If
> I am correct in my 
> pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx. a $1 p/gal.
> increase in fuel 
> cost to run a 10 to 1 motor.
> 
> I will keep you posted.
> 
> Gary Pavlovich
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by them
> had a five gallon
> gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then
> poured the concoction
> through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese
> cloth directly into
> their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260.  They
> also had two inline
> filters on their cars.  Don't recall that they had any
> fuel problems, or any
> that they would talk about.  If I remember correctly I
> read that mothballs
> mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to the
> mixture, so it
> makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a
> crude precursor to
> the nitros set-ups of today.  We also had a guy that
> swore the purple dye
> that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
> performance enhancer.
>   That said I also remember one guy bragging that he
> ran jet fuel mixed with
> his gas.  The problem with that is jet fuel is just
> diesel fuel run through
> another refining process.  And regular gasoline is two
> or three more steps
> above that.  Now if he was bragging that he used the
> high octane Aviation
> Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag
> about.  I used to keep
> my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to spot
> me a couple of
> cars or more just to make the race even.  (-; 
> Just my two C!!
> 
>          
>  Herb
> 
> 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> St. Louis, MO.
> 
> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> 
> From: Doug Jacobsma
> Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> 
> 
> I haven't tried it either.  What I've been told is it
> will leave enough to
> eventually gunk up your fuel filter.  Atleast thats
> what the Harley guys
> have found.
> 
> Jake
> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> '04 Harley FXDWG
> 
> 
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> ----------------------------------------
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
> >
> > What kind of residue does it leave. Would it buildup
> in your tank and
> > fuel lines?
> >
> > Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about the
> adverse effect to
> > car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
> >
> > --Tom
> > Ollie wrote:
> >>
> >> Very Interesting,
> >> Thanks
> >> Ollie
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven
> Charette"
> >>
> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
> >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jake,
> >> Excellent information, thanks!
> >>
> >> SC
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The subject of moth balls in gas has come up on a
> Harley board I
> >> frequent,
> >> as we are always looking for better gas with those
> too. Seems there is a
> >> chemical ingredient in moth balls that will
> enhance octane some, it was
> >> indeed used by old time racers, but those who have
> tried it have found it
> >> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has some
> other unwanted
> >> characteristics.
> >> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive and
> a couple others that
> >> list
> >> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an
> upper lube also.
> >> Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as moth
> balls go:
> >>
> >> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> >>
> >> There are two different types of moth balls - The
> older type is
> >> composted of
> >> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
> Paradichlorobenzene.
> >>
> >> Both types sublimate from a solid straight to a a
> gas- the gas is
> >> toxic to
> >> moths.
> >>
> >> The main threat is breathing the fumes, also may
> have camphor added as a
> >> insect repellent. They also used to clean the
> pipes on wood burning
> >> stoves.
> >>
> >> Dangers are:
> >>
> >> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> >>
> >> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
> >>
> >> Solvent abuse by kids
> >>
> >> Carcinogen
> >>
> >> Forms a bond with soil that will kill beneficial
> soil insects.
> >>
> >> It has been proven plausible that adding moth
> balls to a fuel tank will
> >> improve HP.
> >>
> >>
> >> Listed by the EPA and other Government sources as
> a pesticide
> >>
> >> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly
> >>
> >> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense
> yearly
> >>
> >> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market yearly
> >>
> >> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
> >>
> >> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes
> >>
> >> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting - nausea -
> headaches -
> >> shortness of
> >> breath - coughing - burning eyes
> >>
> >> Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells causing
> hemolytic anemia and is
> >> also linked to nasal cancer.
> >>
> >> Moth
> >> crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene (PDB)
> which is more toxic than
> >> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics may
> melt them.
> >>
> >> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer.
> >>
> >> Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially for
> children,elderly
> >> people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses.
> >>
> >> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
> >>
> >> Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes and
> respiratory tract,large
> >> doses can cause injury to liver,suspected
> carcinogen.
> >>
> >> Naphthalene
> >>
> >> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led to
> cataract formation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
> >>
> >> Jake
> >> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how much
> compression we can run on
> >>> pump gas w
> >>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
> >>>
> >>> I remember when I was a kid that my dad used
> to add moth balls to his
> >> gasoline for his circle track racer in the 40's
> and 50's.
> >>> I don't know what the ratio was but he won a
> lot of races.
> >>> Later
> >>> Bill Harrison
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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