Interesting discussion on moth balls and octane.I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a witch's brew, but I think I just repeated myself. Anyhow I have come across/investigated the following two octane boosters that show merit; a significant real octane boost for minimal cost p/gal outlay.
The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane Supreme 130. I ordered one qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco 130. Additionally, if either product shows merit I may be buying regular to large quantities.
Anyhow, the information is out there now and if anyone else gives it a test let me know your results and we can compare notes.
I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded swamp-water in CA is good for 9.5 to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a great deal on internal engine factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned. However, I am extremely encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression engine can be run economically with either of these boosters; testing to follow. If I am correct in my pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx. a $1 p/gal. increase in fuel cost to run a 10 to 1 motor.
I will keep you posted. Gary Pavlovich----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by them had a five gallon gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then poured the concoction through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese cloth directly into their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260. They also had two inline filters on their cars. Don't recall that they had any fuel problems, or any that they would talk about. If I remember correctly I read that mothballs mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to the mixture, so it makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a crude precursor to the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy that swore the purple dye that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete performance enhancer. That said I also remember one guy bragging that he ran jet fuel mixed with his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is just diesel fuel run through another refining process. And regular gasoline is two or three more steps above that. Now if he was bragging that he used the high octane Aviation Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag about. I used to keep my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to spot me a couple of cars or more just to make the race even. (-; Just my two C!! Herb 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361 1959 Coronet 326 Poly 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale 1999 Durango SLT 5.9 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1 St. Louis, MO. http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html -------Original Message------- From: Doug Jacobsma Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas I haven't tried it either. What I've been told is it will leave enough to eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats what the Harley guys have found. Jake '63 Sport Fury 'vert '04 Harley FXDWG ----------------------------------------
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700 What kind of residue does it leave. Would it buildup in your tank and fuel lines? Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about the adverse effect to car's. Seems pretty toxic to people. --Tom Ollie wrote:Very Interesting, Thanks Ollie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Charette" To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas Jake, Excellent information, thanks! SC -----Original Message----- From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas The subject of moth balls in gas has come up on a Harley board I frequent, as we are always looking for better gas with those too. Seems there is a chemical ingredient in moth balls that will enhance octane some, it was indeed used by old time racers, but those who have tried it have found it leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has some other unwanted characteristics. I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive and a couple others that list jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an upper lube also. Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as moth balls go: JUST SO YA KNOW ! There are two different types of moth balls - The older type is composted of Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of Paradichlorobenzene. Both types sublimate from a solid straight to a a gas- the gas is toxic to moths. The main threat is breathing the fumes, also may have camphor added as a insect repellent. They also used to clean the pipes on wood burning stoves. Dangers are: Inhaling concentrated fumes ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC! Solvent abuse by kids Carcinogen Forms a bond with soil that will kill beneficial soil insects. It has been proven plausible that adding moth balls to a fuel tank will improve HP. Listed by the EPA and other Government sources as a pesticide 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense yearly 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market yearly Toxic level 2 - for inhaling Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting - nausea - headaches - shortness of breath - coughing - burning eyes Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells causing hemolytic anemia and is also linked to nasal cancer. Moth crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene (PDB) which is more toxic than Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics may melt them. PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer. Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially for children,elderly people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses. TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene: Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes and respiratory tract,large doses can cause injury to liver,suspected carcinogen. Naphthalene damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led to cataract formation. Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle! Jake '63 Sport Fury 'vertTo: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how much compression we can run on pump gas w Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800 I remember when I was a kid that my dad used to add moth balls to hisgasoline for his circle track racer in the 40's and 50's.I don't know what the ratio was but he won a lot of races. Later Bill Harrison_________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 1962 to 1965 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html and http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html. ----
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