Re: Carter AFB replacement?

[Jim Altemose <jaltemoose@xxxxxxxxx>]

I've been digging into the in-line fuel pumps and I think I'm leaning
toward the Holley Red pump with an oil pressure safety switch and
relay.  This for a 383 engined with Carter AFB 4 barrel and stock
mechanical pump.  A little more work and money than the Carter P4070
but it seems like a nice setup and matches my 3/8 fuel line.  Below is
info from summitracing.com .  I'd welcome any comments anyone might
have.

Holley Fuel Pump HLY-12-801-1
These Red electric fuel pumps from Holley feature an improved design
for street and strip applications, and a tumble-polished billet look
with the distinctive red logo. These pumps have a 97 gph flow rate,
draw only 2 amps, and have a maximum pressure of 7 psi with an
externally accessible pressure relief valve. They weigh only 2.88
lbs., and include a mounting bracket.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-12-801-1/

Holley safety switch HLY-12-810
It's always a good idea to place a safety switch in the circuit when
installing an electric fuel pump. Holley has one that will ensure the
electric pump will not work unless the engine has oil pressure. It
will prevent the pump from running in a situation where the motor may
stall with the ignition on. Wiring the switch through the starter
solenoid circuit energizes the pump on engine start-up. After the
engine is running, the switch continues to provide power to the pump
as long as there is oil pressure to keep the switch turned on.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-12-810/

Painless Relay Harness PRF-50102
A Painless Performance universal fuel pump relay will prevent voltage
drops at the pump, thus maintaining constant fuel pump pressure, and
will prevent fuel pump amperage overloads from damaging your
electrical system. These kits are great for street use, and a must for
racing applications.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-50102/

- Jim
Jim Altemose, Long Island, NY
'63 Polara 500 (Max Wedge)
'63 Polara 500 (383)
'65 Belvedere I (Street Wedge)
'71 Bronco


On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I believe it would be the pump in the Summit catalog # CRT-P4070  for
> $76.  I had gone to NAPA and inquired and they came up with a Carter
> number for me which was probably the same one. I did the race Holley
> pump 'cause I got it complete with regulator for $50 and only used for a
> dyno pull. It's a tad noisy but I like the sound :-)
>
> This Carter is the right pressure at 6psi and is one I will use if mine
> takes a dump.
>
> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
>
> ====================================================================
> 65 wrote:
>>
>> ""There is a preferred Carter in line fuel pump that is a flow thru
>> design
>> that you can use in conjunction with your mech pump.""
>>
>> Rich...do you happen to have a part number for this pump?
>>
>>
>> Darwin/Victoria,BC Canada
>> '65 Cdn. Valiant Custom 100'vert...**SOLD**
>> '67 Dart GT 'vert - 273/904
>>  http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/65val/
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rich Kinsley" <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: Carter AFB replacement?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I swapped out my mech fuel pump for a Holley Blue race pump. Now that's
>> > a bit overkill but it certainly works. You must use a pressure regulator
>> > and set it no more than 6.5psi for an Edelbrock. The manual that comes
>> > with the Eddy specs 6.5psi as max. I run 5.5 to 6psi myself. I know for
>> > a fact that too much pressure will even bend the floats all to heck.
>> > Been there, done that :-(
>> >
>> > There is a preferred Carter in line fuel pump that is a flow thru design
>> > that you can use in conjunction with your mech pump. Many people put it
>> > on a seperate switch so it can be turned on at start up or conditions
>> > that are causing vapor lock. Electric pumps are usually required to be
>> > near the gas tank and as high as possible. I only run the Holley pump
>> > but I also have it on a switch to control it. That's kinda handy. It
>> > acts like an anti-theft device too.
>> >
>> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
>> >
>> >
>> > =====================================================================
>> > Cory Rempel wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey Tom,
>> >>
>> >> You said you had an electric fuel pump instead of the mechanical.  Could
>> >> you tell us more about it?  What brand, how much presure, where you
>> >> installed it on your car, etc.  Also wiring it, how you did it?  Thanx
>> >> Cory
>> >>
>> >> 65 Polara   440/727
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: Re: Carter AFB replacement?
>> >> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:29:00 -0700
>> >> >
>> >> > Eastwood makes a spray-on carb paint that you can 'cover' the shiny
>> >> > with
>> >> >
>> >> > aluminum color if you wish.
>> >> >
>> >> > As for the hard starting, My AFB has similar evap issue, but its
>> >> > usually
>> >> >
>> >> > crank it for 30 seconds on startup if its been sitting a few days, 3 to
>> >> > 5 pumps of the gas petal, and it fires right up. My son's volare is
>> >> > more like a 90 second crank prior to bowl filling up.
>> >> >
>> >> > I know an electric fuel pump vs the Mechanical Carter Fuel Pump I have
>> >> > would be the solution. Turn on Key, float bowls fill up, ready to
>> >> > start.
>> >> >
>> >> > Modern replacement will still have evap issues. Holleys less so,
>> >> > because bowls are bigger. I had a Holley Street Avenger 770 on a 440
>> >> > that ran like a monster. Was very impressed with the carb right out of
>> >> > the box. Ran 14.05 in a 4000 lb car in Denver prior to dialing the carb
>> >> > in.
>> >> >
>> >> > --Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/7/2011 8:16 AM, Rich Kinsley wrote:
>> >> > > Steve, I don't think they come in that 'dull' finish. They have the
>> >> > > bright and the super bright :-) How about painting it with the
>> >> > > stainless steel paint I used on the head display and my hood scoop?
>> >> > > That
>> >> > > paint is super expensive, $22 a can, but it is the best ever and goes
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > long way. It is used on outdoor transformers, etc, by the utility
>> >> > > companies. I don't think we can just get the stuff but I have a
>> >> > > contact
>> >> > > I can get it from. Legally !!! I have a little bit left in the can I
>> >> > > used.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > BTW your 331 hemi-head will be back on April 20th along with my car.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
>> >> > > ======================================================================
>> >> > > Steve Mick wrote:
>> >> > >> Can you get a new Edlebrock carb that is not shiney-(natural finish)
>> >> > >> ?.........................MO
>> >> > >> {Steve Mick}
>> >> > >> http://stevemick1964dodge.shutterfly.com/pictures/5
>> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >> From: "Don"<d4owe9@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > >> To: "Mopar Discussion Group"<1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:20 PM
>> >> > >> Subject: RE: Carter AFB replacement?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Jim: Good choice on the Edelbrock. They are very simple, start
>> >> > >>> better
>> >> > >>> than
>> >> > >>> Holleys or Carters. Don
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>>> From: jaltemoose@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>>> Subject: Carter AFB replacement?
>> >> > >>>> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:05:03 -0400
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> I currently have a rebuilt 1965 Carter AFB 4 barrel on my 63
>> >> > >>>> Polara
>> >> > >>>> 500 with a 383. I like being close to period correct but I'm
>> >> > >>>> getting
>> >> > >>>> tired of the starting difficulties. If the car has been sitting
>> >> > >>>> for a
>> >> > >>>> week, it takes a while of turning the starter to start up. We've
>> >> > >>>> had
>> >> > >>>> discussion on the board before and I think the consensus was the
>> >> > >>>> old
>> >> > >>>> Carter AFB's were prone to evaporation and it takes some cranking
>> >> > >>>> to
>> >> > >>>> refuel it. FYI, I have the standard stock style mechanical fuel
>> >> > >>>> pump.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> I'm thinking strongly about replacing it with a modern 4 barrel.
>> >> > >>>> Any
>> >> > >>>> opinions on a good compromise between driveability and a little
>> >> > >>>> power?
>> >> > >>>> I was thinking Edelbrock Performer 600 CFM.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> I currently have the old style choke with the thermostat sitting
>> >> > >>>> in
>> >> > >>>> the recess on the intake manifold. Any opinions on getting a new
>> >> > >>>> carb
>> >> > >>>> with electric vs. manual choke? Pros and Cons?
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> As always, thanks.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> - Jim
>> >> > >>>> Jim Altemose, Long Island, NY
>> >> > >>>> '63 Polara 500 (Max Wedge)
>> >> > >>>> '63 Polara 500 (383)
>> >> > >>>> '65 Belvedere I (Street Wedge)
>> >> > >>>> '71 Bronco
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
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>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
>> >> > > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-kinsley64polara.html
>> >> > >
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>> >> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
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>> >
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>> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended
>> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will
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>> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content
>> > signal to Mopar topic.  Thanks!
>> >
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>> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/general_disclaimer.html.
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-kinsley64polara.html
>
>
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