57 Desoto Fireflite Shopper Wagon
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Posted 2012-12-28 7:31 AM (#352861)
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Hello Everybody,

I like to introduce me and my FL car here under like-minded people.
I bought it as a broken restauration, and I hope I could bring the car to its former glory.
Hope you support me a bit.

At the moment I sort out all the parts and bits to find out what is missing or wrong.

Tom




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Posted 2012-12-28 8:05 AM (#352864 - in reply to #352861)
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Welcome, Tom!

Very cool DeSoto you have there!

Please keep posting photos!

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Posted 2012-12-28 8:25 AM (#352867 - in reply to #352861)
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Hey Tom we finally get to see your car. No wonder you had a keen interest in MY 57 Flite. That wagon looks to have great potential. you are certainly in the right place to ask for FL help!!
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Posted 2012-12-28 8:59 AM (#352873 - in reply to #352861)
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I love it!!! I love wagons. It is looking awesome....
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Posted 2012-12-28 9:18 AM (#352877 - in reply to #352861)
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WOW!! Very cool grocery getter!!
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Posted 2012-12-28 11:16 AM (#352883 - in reply to #352877)
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Posted 2012-12-28 3:56 PM (#352916 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2012-12-28 5:03 PM (#352922 - in reply to #352861)
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As is, that baby is SHARP!!! Can't wait to see how she comes along!
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Posted 2012-12-28 5:09 PM (#352925 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2012-12-29 7:47 AM (#352981 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, your car is looking great, as I knew it would. Wagon parts are tough to find, but I'll help in any way I can. Nice to have met you, too!
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Posted 2012-12-29 3:30 PM (#353023 - in reply to #352861)
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I see you also have a CAR W/ STRIPES gOOD CAR fopr wide whites
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Posted 2012-12-29 6:30 PM (#353044 - in reply to #352861)
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Welcome, Tom.

Since the front finish parts may not yet be installed, is the lower front body panel painted in body color, or is it
painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, like the radiator core support is?


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Posted 2012-12-29 8:06 PM (#353061 - in reply to #353044)
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Very nice wagon, Tom, love everything about it!

Welcome to the site, Marty
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Posted 2012-12-29 9:53 PM (#353072 - in reply to #352861)
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I've been off line for 5 days with bad weather here in Arkansas and up pops this thread. I love wagons. I must since I have 6. We like pictures!!!
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Posted 2012-12-30 7:00 AM (#353113 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow Tom , i see now your thread !! very nice !! how work proceeds?
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Posted 2012-12-30 3:27 PM (#353166 - in reply to #352861)
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Thanks everybody for supporting. Some of you, I know in person, some not, but its good to have a platform like FL.net to share the hobby

@ Roberto, yes keen interest to your Flite

@ Kent & Peter, I will email you soon to order some parts I need

@ Ed, have to study your homepage a while, to have the correctness on project

@ horace, yes the other striped car could produce some smoke

@ Nick, is it's painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, I know it's wrong

@ Raffaele, I can not find a proper beginning
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2012-12-31 7:20 AM (#353245 - in reply to #353044)
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d500neil - 2012-12-30 3:30 PM

Welcome, Tom.

Since the front finish parts may not yet be installed, is the lower front body panel painted in body color, or is it
painted in semi-gloss black-out finish, like the radiator core support is?


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" .. lower front body panel .. " ????

There is an elongated valance (air duct) that goes side-to-side not shown in these pix that should be P&A Black.
However, as it is largely hidden from view once the bumper is in place, I would hesitate to call it a "body panel".

Other than that piece, all that is really missing from the nose is the bumper and inserts. The upper insert on 57's
was Argent, while the lower is a silver anodized aluminum sheet punched out to create a "mesh" of vertical/horizontal
open squares about 1/2" each with a "bar" between of about 5/16".
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Posted 2012-12-31 8:30 AM (#353253 - in reply to #353245)
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Nice wagon, see you have a '68 Charger also! :-)
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Posted 2013-01-03 12:48 PM (#353734 - in reply to #352861)
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Some question's about front section

In Parts calalogue Plate 13-7 (Fireflite/Firedome) are only 6 brakets of 13-64-32 but I have 8 of them, like on Plate 13-8 (Firesweep) ??
The both reinforcement's 7-16-46 like on plate 13-7 is missing, but on parts catalogue I couldn't find too for 1957
And what color should be the closure 13-64-26 & screen 7-16-11 of plate 13-7

is the split in my closure (Picture 2020.jpg) from OEM or is it broken





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Posted 2013-01-04 7:31 AM (#353831 - in reply to #352861)
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Just re-assemble things exactly as they WERE assembled, Tom, and you'll be fine, whether your car had 6 or 8 of those brackets. My Firedome didn't have the mesh reinforcement, 7-16-46 but my Fireflite did. I don't remember on the Adventurer, but it's been my experience that despite the parts catalog, and from what I've seen, SOME cars had the reinforcement and some didn't. The "crack" in that closure panel is most interesting, and I honestly don't know if it's really a break or from the factory, but each of my 3 cars has that exact same split. I assume, then, that it's factory, but I could be wrong. It's a small thing, no one will notice it, and I'd leave it there. From Doc's note above, " The upper insert on 57's was Argent, while the lower is a silver anodized aluminum sheet..." Paint the closure panel 13-64-26 argent silver, and if the anodized screen 7-16-11 can't be cleaned up on its own, I guess you'd have to paint it silver, too.
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-02-15 7:00 AM (#360099 - in reply to #352861)
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Hello together, who can tell me whether this petrol - tank is original, or aftermarked?



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Posted 2013-02-15 9:34 AM (#360111 - in reply to #352861)
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My opinion is it is OEM but I could be wrong. Weirton was a big steel maker back then so that stamp is probably just their mill stamp for the steel itself and not a reflection of who actually made the tank.

Apparently, at one time, actual products like cars and steel and glass were made in the USA. Luckily, we were able to tear down those smelly factories and replace them with nail salons, insurance agencies, and ice cream parlors. If anyone dares to think that ANY country on Earth has better nail care options than the good 'ol USA I'll fight them to the death. No, actually I'll just sue them and splash my decaf vanilla light latte in their face then unfriend them on Facebook.



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http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/570754/Steel...

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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-17 9:16 AM (#365094 - in reply to #352861)
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I think to swap my rear axle into a "modern" mopar one. The reason is the very bad supply of spare parts, and the little 7" parking brake, which is not sufficient in an emergency case with the high volume of traffic.
Has anyone had made such a conversion, or has the dimensions of the 57 OEM DeSoto rear axle. I need the Dimension A, B and C of the 57 OEM rear axle


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Posted 2013-03-17 9:21 AM (#365098 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice wagon! I know that a 63 Chrysler 300 rearend bolts right up to a 57 Plymouth. It has the cable emergency brakes to the drums.
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Posted 2013-03-17 10:45 AM (#365111 - in reply to #360111)
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GregCon - 2013-02-15 9:34 AM

If anyone dares to think that ANY country on Earth has better nail care options than the good 'ol USA I'll fight them to the death. No, actually I'll just sue them and splash my decaf vanilla light latte in their face then unfriend them on Facebook.




Haha!! The wife heard me laughing out loud in the living room, as I read this!


Super nice wagon, by the way!
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ToMopar
Posted 2013-03-26 11:55 AM (#366402 - in reply to #352861)
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Another possibility would be instead of the whole rear axle only pull out the shaft's, and change the anchor plate & shaft's.
But I don't have any idea, if I could swap the shaft, because of length, diameter and amount/shape of spline. And no idea, if the later anchor plate fit's on the OEM bolt circle.

The advantage of this conversion would be a "real" parking/emergency brake, not like the OEM toy, and no more anger with the OEM brake drum (puller). In case I solve it...


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Posted 2013-03-26 2:38 PM (#366444 - in reply to #352861)
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I just discovered this thread. Very cool stuff. The screen on my '57 Sweep is gold. I never realized that was wrong.
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Posted 2013-03-26 2:44 PM (#366445 - in reply to #352861)
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Also, that car looks like a resto someone stopped. It looks way more together than not. The fun part is putting the thing back together.
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Posted 2013-03-26 3:08 PM (#366450 - in reply to #352861)
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Yes, someone stopped. At the moment it's more apart, than on the first pictures. And I try do do my best, to finish it (with some modification's)
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Posted 2013-03-27 11:40 PM (#366725 - in reply to #352861)
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Love the wagon! I also really like the looks of your shop, complete with the Scat Pack flag and 68 Charger - very cool.
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Posted 2013-03-29 12:55 PM (#366938 - in reply to #352861)
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Is this the car Tim Bowers was working on? If so, know that his work is 'stellar'....
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Posted 2013-03-29 1:00 PM (#366941 - in reply to #352861)
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No, this car is not the Explorer from stellarrestorations, and Tim didn't work on it.
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Posted 2013-07-05 3:08 AM (#384348 - in reply to #352861)
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We found on left side the frame number 1675805 and the date of manufacture 3/20/57
Thats sensational after 57 years behind undercoatspray.
But wonder because couldn't find this number in the parts catalogue.





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Posted 2013-07-05 5:23 AM (#384354 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice Goon Mate, It is good to see a long roof getting love to, not just the 2 doors.
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Posted 2013-07-05 2:00 PM (#384407 - in reply to #365094)
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I know that the '70-'74 E-body rear is a direct bolt in for my '57 Chrysler. I would expect your wagon to be the same. However, you will need at least 11" brakes on it to stop a big wagon sufficiently. Don't even attempt to use the more common 10.5" drums on it. It would probably be better to upgrade to rear discs. My '70 Satellite wagon has an 8 3/4 with 11" drum brakes and it works well most of the time. But when I have it fully loaded with 7 people and camping gear, it would definitely be better to have more stopping power there. If you upgrade your original axle with disc brakes, would that solve all of your complaints? I believe that a disc conversion would give you a parking brake and eliminate the headache of having to remove the axles on a regular basis.
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Posted 2013-11-11 5:21 PM (#409990 - in reply to #352861)
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so far so good, body is back on the frame, next step is painting the firewall





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Posted 2013-11-11 5:52 PM (#410000 - in reply to #360099)
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ToMopar - 2013-02-15 4:00 AM

Hello together, who can tell me whether this petrol - tank is original, or aftermarked?


That is a correct factory tank for Mopar '57-'59 wagons. It holds 22 U.S. gallons.

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Posted 2013-11-11 9:20 PM (#410053 - in reply to #352861)
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could you post a pic of your 68 Charger?...looks like a very nice car
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Posted 2013-11-12 6:52 AM (#410107 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, you're doing a GREAT job on your car!!!
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Posted 2013-11-12 7:57 AM (#410115 - in reply to #352861)
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Very tidy work, Tom!

Great progress!

Thank you for the latest pic's!


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Posted 2013-11-12 12:31 PM (#410179 - in reply to #352861)
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Very nice work. Great
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Posted 2014-01-02 2:02 PM (#419822 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice wagon Tom!!! Let's see if we can arrange something as soon as our wagons are back on the road as we are not too far away from each other! ;-)
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Posted 2014-02-02 5:53 PM (#425544 - in reply to #352861)
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The firewall is finished





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Posted 2014-02-02 6:21 PM (#425546 - in reply to #425544)
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Now all ya need is a bunch of CHILLDRUNS as they say down in the hood here in the south. Great restoration.
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Posted 2014-02-09 3:39 PM (#426554 - in reply to #352861)
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Beautiful job and great detailing!
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Posted 2014-11-03 6:33 AM (#460871 - in reply to #352861)
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After the summer the project still going on



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Posted 2014-11-03 9:46 AM (#460881 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice work!! '58 Chrysler wheelcovers?
How will you replicate the rubber coverings in the rear compartment? Nothing is available as a good reproduction, afaik.
That's a conundrum that I faced with my '57 Sport Suburban, but I ended up selling it before I had to deal with it.
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Posted 2014-11-04 2:47 PM (#460999 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow!
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Posted 2014-11-10 1:41 PM (#461472 - in reply to #352861)
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Very nice job done!



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Posted 2014-11-10 3:18 PM (#461482 - in reply to #461472)
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Very great job !!
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Posted 2014-11-18 9:03 AM (#462181 - in reply to #352861)
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ToMopar, next time you are at the shop, can you throw that little blue car into a box and mail it to me? Too cute!

Your wagon is awesome!


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Posted 2014-11-20 5:19 PM (#462379 - in reply to #352861)
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Someone has an idea how to fix this little spring from drivers door latch lock, or where you can buy such a springs. Or has someone such a latch for sale.



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Posted 2014-12-17 1:49 PM (#464960 - in reply to #352861)
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New windscreen is in place, the quarter windows are installed, and the 341 is back in engine bay





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Posted 2014-12-17 3:02 PM (#464966 - in reply to #464960)
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Very Nice Tom !!
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Posted 2014-12-17 3:53 PM (#464973 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2014-12-17 5:00 PM (#464977 - in reply to #352861)
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Coming together very nicely, Tom!!!
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Posted 2014-12-17 9:18 PM (#465016 - in reply to #352861)
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Is the door latch the same on 57 Chrysler and Desoto? If so, I have a 57 Windsor parts car I could remove the latch from. Several years ago I missed buying a 58 shopper in rougher but restorable condition because I didn't move fast enough.
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Posted 2014-12-17 9:50 PM (#465024 - in reply to #352861)
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Door latches are the same.
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Posted 2014-12-18 3:09 AM (#465045 - in reply to #464977)
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Coming together very nicely, Tom!!!


John, do you recognize the quarter window frame parts
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Posted 2014-12-18 1:15 PM (#465098 - in reply to #465045)
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Coming together very nicely, Tom!!!


John, do you recognize the quarter window frame parts


Sure do, Tom!!
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Posted 2014-12-18 3:56 PM (#465112 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2015-09-03 3:09 PM (#488816 - in reply to #352861)
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Doesn't happen very much this year, because time was eaten by my another projects.
By the way, I've prepare the exhaust system for a lambda sonde, by welding a little bit on the new waldron system.
I am fully recommend the waldron.



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Posted 2015-09-04 6:22 AM (#488868 - in reply to #488816)
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That's FANTASTIC work, Tom!
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Posted 2015-09-04 1:30 PM (#488895 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2015-09-05 6:54 AM (#488945 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, you do have the little bent metal cover for that opening at the bottom of the flywheel, don't you? If not, I probably have a picture somewhere here of what it should look like.
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Posted 2015-09-06 12:33 PM (#489032 - in reply to #352861)
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Ed, yes, I have that Cover Plate
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Posted 2015-09-06 6:17 PM (#489053 - in reply to #352861)
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I might have missed it somewhere, but are you doing fuel injection Tom?

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Posted 2015-09-06 9:28 PM (#489074 - in reply to #352861)
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ooooooooooooooooh wow.

I don't know why, but I find the wagons of that era just so freakin' cool. Seriously... SUV's replaced these? freakin'... how? why? dear god why!
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Posted 2015-09-06 11:11 PM (#489084 - in reply to #352861)
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The wagon is looking very nice Tom. You should be driving it soon at the rate your going on it. Did all the 57 Wagon parts make it to you. Hope you can use it. Cory
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Posted 2015-09-07 4:06 AM (#489094 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, do you still need a door latch? I think I have a spare. It may be the wrong door but maybe the spring can be transferred.
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Posted 2015-11-08 5:26 PM (#494589 - in reply to #352861)
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Here are the result of last week's electrical issue



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Posted 2015-11-15 11:47 PM (#495303 - in reply to #352861)
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The wagon is looking great ! Awesome job Tom.
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Posted 2015-11-16 2:04 AM (#495317 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2015-11-16 3:30 AM (#495323 - in reply to #352861)
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Nice work Tom. You have placed lambdas quite far from the engine. I've been told they should be placed as close to engine as bossible, or do you use preheated lambdas?
I also got Waldrons exhaust waitin in boxes for m 300 G and I am also plannig to put lambdas in both exhausts, dont know yet where.
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Posted 2015-12-13 5:01 PM (#497872 - in reply to #352861)
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Jari, yes the lambdas are far from engine, but you are right, they are pre-heated. I will use the lambda only during adjustment procedure
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Posted 2015-12-13 6:00 PM (#497878 - in reply to #352861)
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Keep the updates coming, Tom - this is one interesting and exciting resto IMHO!



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Posted 2015-12-14 4:29 PM (#497947 - in reply to #352861)
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Thanks Rosy for the kind words.
My rear bumper is back from local chrome shop - it looks SO GOOD





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Posted 2015-12-14 4:46 PM (#497948 - in reply to #352861)
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The vent window is back and installed, too





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Posted 2015-12-14 5:41 PM (#497958 - in reply to #497948)
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Hi Tom you really got a spurt on since the last photos you sent. I love your attention to detail
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Posted 2015-12-25 6:13 AM (#499008 - in reply to #352861)
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Santa Claus surprise me with a rebuilt WCFB carb



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Posted 2015-12-25 8:12 AM (#499013 - in reply to #352861)
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What a difference on the vent wing chrome Tom - looks really nice - keep up the good work and soon you can drive to Classic Car Week!

It's difficult to see in your carb Pictures, but check that all the screws are properly swaged so that they don't vibrate loose.
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Posted 2015-12-25 9:33 AM (#499021 - in reply to #352861)
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What is that vacuum unit on the side of your carb? It looks like a governor that would be used on a truck.
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Posted 2015-12-26 2:32 PM (#499163 - in reply to #352861)
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- Yes Sven, I will keep my eyes open
- Rolland, this is because the original heat control choke are broken, and we (the carb guy and I) don't trust the reproduction parts whose are available,- so we changed to electric choke instead which is used on holley's, too.
Ok, it is not like factory, but at the end I like a working system.

Here is a picture for comparisation of Holley 4160 with electronic choke

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Posted 2016-01-02 7:01 AM (#499728 - in reply to #352861)
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I missed an ebay item, PT# 1635740



who has something still in the basement, can someone help me

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Posted 2016-01-02 7:07 AM (#499729 - in reply to #352861)
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I actually bought a used Carter filter and mounted it on a Chevy 58 - by this offence the bowl cracked almost instantly.

What I want to point out is that it's really safest to find a NOS one that never has been mounted - afterall, theres a lot of gasoline pumping out if the glass bowl cracks.

My choice is the "modern" (60>) steel filters even if the old bowl types are so much cooler
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Posted 2016-01-02 10:23 AM (#499742 - in reply to #352861)
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I have at least 2 of these glass bowl original filter assemblies (used) that I won't be using as I don't think they will flow enough fuel for a 440 engine. Are filters still available for them? I can make you a good deal if you are willing to try but shipping might be high. No guarantee it won't crack like Wizards did.
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Posted 2016-04-15 6:25 AM (#509453 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2016-04-15 9:55 AM (#509463 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow Tom you have an awesome rare car. And you are doing such a carefully planned out superb job. DeSoto lives !!!
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Posted 2016-04-15 9:00 PM (#509500 - in reply to #352861)
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This is going to be awesome to see on the road!
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Posted 2016-04-16 5:07 AM (#509535 - in reply to #352861)
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Sorry Tom , I bought that actual filter on ebay
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Posted 2016-04-16 6:14 PM (#509564 - in reply to #352861)
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It's a great looking car. You have done a lot and what you have done is first class!
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Posted 2016-06-14 6:03 PM (#514144 - in reply to #352861)
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It does not happen much, but the little troll monitors the scenery



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Posted 2017-02-24 6:29 AM (#534617 - in reply to #352861)
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In another thread here was a request about some pictures of my dash, made by RD autoline Sweden http://autoline.se/



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Posted 2017-02-24 10:29 AM (#534627 - in reply to #534617)
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Nice. Do they come in different colors or are they all black, and you have to paint them? I purchased a black one for my '57 Chrysler, but am considering getting a colored one for my '58 Desoto.
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Posted 2017-02-24 10:48 AM (#534629 - in reply to #352861)
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Nathan, they paint the dash in the color you want for a little extra money.
I send them an little vinyl sample of my door panels and this company match the color exactly.
Standard color is black.
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:49 PM (#534638 - in reply to #534629)
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Beautiful car getting the workmanship it deserves there!

I have a padded dash from RDAutoline also, if you get black they recommend use of SEM vinyl paint/dye for matching to the car interior color.
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Posted 2017-03-17 7:23 AM (#536097 - in reply to #352861)
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I restored the Ballast Resistor & Ignition Coil Assembly - and it looks so beautiful



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Posted 2017-03-17 8:37 AM (#536099 - in reply to #352861)
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I love watching the progress on this wagon!
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Posted 2017-03-17 9:08 AM (#536104 - in reply to #536099)
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For a car as nice as this one is coming out to be, you might want to go the extra length to put the correct color/wording onto the coil, Tom. If so, I have it printed on a black sheet. All you need to do is print it (it will use a ton of ink because of the black), then wrap the coil in it. Then I'd spray a coating of urethane or something over it to keep it looking nice. Crazy, and I know, and yours looks awesome as is, but if you want to go that extra mile...



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Posted 2017-03-17 10:50 AM (#536111 - in reply to #352861)
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Thanks Ed, for the "print" and for the help with the misterious spring of sun visors: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15643&
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Posted 2017-03-22 9:07 PM (#536485 - in reply to #352861)
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Are the rear/side window gaskets original or did you replace them? Where did you get them if they are new?
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Posted 2017-03-23 10:39 AM (#536520 - in reply to #536485)
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Jessica - 2017-03-23 2:07 AM

Are the rear/side window gaskets original or did you replace them? Where did you get them if they are new?


The gaskets are new. According to the reports of previous owner its W143 from Gary Goers
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Posted 2017-03-27 6:00 AM (#536745 - in reply to #352861)
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First time after a long period of darkness in the garage, I allow the hemi-muscles to pull the wagon out to get some rays of sun



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Posted 2017-03-27 8:31 AM (#536749 - in reply to #352861)
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Very nice work Tom - will you manage to get it in traffic this year?
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Posted 2017-03-27 9:57 AM (#536751 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2017-03-27 10:06 AM (#536754 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2017-03-27 4:44 PM (#536768 - in reply to #536754)
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Posted 2017-03-27 10:51 PM (#536784 - in reply to #352861)
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Thanks for the info on the gaskets. They are W134 from Gary Goers. I placed my order for a set today.
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Posted 2017-04-02 10:11 AM (#537208 - in reply to #352861)
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Beyond FABULOUS.

Wagons rock, but this rare beauty really takes the cake!

Wonderful work, ToMopar.





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Posted 2017-04-24 2:11 PM (#538764 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2017-05-05 3:33 AM (#539484 - in reply to #366402)
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Hi Tom, hope to see your awesome wagon sometime. I´m about to update my rear brakes.
How did you solve it. Is there any rear axle that fits right on or did you change anchorplates and shafts.
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Posted 2017-05-05 6:41 AM (#539486 - in reply to #352861)
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Hej Kent.
unfortunately I have changed my previous idea, and don't change the rear brake system and restore it to the condition it has leave the factory.
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Posted 2017-05-05 2:45 PM (#539510 - in reply to #539486)
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Okay, I´ll figure out something. Keep on your fine work,
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Posted 2017-05-06 5:50 PM (#539568 - in reply to #352861)
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Tom, you did it 1st Class at every detail and it shows in your beautiful wagon. Thanks also for your help and advice.
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Posted 2017-05-07 2:37 PM (#539613 - in reply to #352861)
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bravo !
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Posted 2017-05-21 5:09 PM (#540531 - in reply to #352861)
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Posted 2017-09-28 5:52 AM (#549335 - in reply to #352861)
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The Wagon is coming more and more to an eye catcher



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Posted 2017-09-29 5:55 AM (#549381 - in reply to #352861)
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As everyone has said, Tom, you have done a GREAT job on that wagon! It's incredibly beautiful!
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Posted 2017-09-29 8:42 AM (#549394 - in reply to #352861)
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Amazing job, Tom! That is a stunning wagon! I have enjoyed watching all of your progress. Now I'm looking forward to seeing you enjoy it!
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Posted 2017-10-17 10:14 AM (#550455 - in reply to #352861)
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Danny and Ed,
thanks for the kind words.
But this car is far from finish, I would say that I have done three quarters
The Front bumper is a provisionary version, the matching front bumber is at "my" chrome guy since 2012....
And the most headache is caused by facing/covering of the rear compartment.
But as you all know, the smaller the job is, the more time is needed
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Posted 2018-06-18 10:53 AM (#565284 - in reply to #550455)
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Tom,
You have done a remarkable job on your wagon. I have been restoring my 58 New Yorker wagon for several years and it is also almost completed.
In your last post you mentioned that the most headache is the "facing/covering of the rear compartment". I too have not been able to find anyone willing to tackle the recovering of the "wheel hump" areas. Is this what you are referring to?
Here are pictures of what I need covered in vinyl. Also a couple of pictures of how the vinyl was formed around the latch and pivot areas. The old pictures are of my old parts wagon.
Is this area on your wagon covered with formed vinyl?
Bob

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Posted 2018-06-20 5:54 AM (#565360 - in reply to #352861)
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Yes Bob, this is it what are referring to.
At the end we solve it and I am very happy with the result.





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Posted 2018-06-21 5:04 PM (#565426 - in reply to #565360)
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Did you use leather? How were the upper seat back latch and lower pivot point for the seat bottom finished.
It really does looks great.
Bob
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Posted 2018-12-13 2:33 AM (#575152 - in reply to #352861)
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It looks so incredibly good



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Posted 2019-04-18 6:44 AM (#581073 - in reply to #352861)
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After 6 !!!! long abstaining years of waiting I finally got the bumper back from my chromguy

(the bumper in some previous picture was a borrow)

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Posted 2019-04-18 11:40 AM (#581093 - in reply to #352861)
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Wow, 6 years, that's obnoxiously long. Time to pick a different chrome guy! The car looks wonderful.
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Posted 2019-04-18 12:07 PM (#581095 - in reply to #352861)
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6 years?! Did he have to mine the Chromite from the earth himself?
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Posted 2019-04-18 1:23 PM (#581101 - in reply to #352861)
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This wagon is going to be so amazing
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Posted 2019-04-21 6:43 AM (#581205 - in reply to #352861)
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In between, I was also very frustrated that it take so long...but I still have the bumpers which was on the car when it leave the factory

........some pictures of the bumper assembling

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Posted 2019-04-21 3:51 PM (#581215 - in reply to #352861)
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I high contrast gold grille looks good with the gold letters on the front. Like an Adventurer wagon.
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Posted 2019-08-21 6:43 AM (#586323 - in reply to #581215)
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Aah .. a wunderbar thread ,thanks! Going through a rotisserie resto like this on a 58 firedome coupe so it is really inspiring.
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Posted 2020-04-11 4:31 PM (#596684 - in reply to #352861)
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Today was really nice weather, - perfect to implement my milestone. And to forget briefly all the terrible crap that we are currently experiencing worldwide.

Happy Easter and stay healthy



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Posted 2020-04-11 5:49 PM (#596695 - in reply to #352861)
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impressive restoration!
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Posted 2020-04-11 7:51 PM (#596697 - in reply to #352861)
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Fantastic, Tom!!!!!
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Posted 2020-04-11 8:06 PM (#596699 - in reply to #352861)
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Beautiful station wagon. how does it drive? Steve.
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Posted 2020-04-11 9:39 PM (#596702 - in reply to #352861)
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Drop dead gorgeous
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Posted 2020-04-12 7:09 PM (#596741 - in reply to #352861)
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Great looking wagon! I really like the bends in the rear exhaust. Are those bends the same as the original exhaust? Time to go cruising or camping!

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Posted 2020-04-13 7:51 AM (#596758 - in reply to #352861)
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That car is so nice, great work!
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Posted 2020-04-13 4:18 PM (#596775 - in reply to #352861)
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Thank you all for the compliments,- it gives me a boost in motivation.
The next step is to pass the car inspection.

@ Steve, I don't really drive until now, because the wagon is not registered.

@ Nathan, no the bends are not original. The tubes from waldrons were not even, so I make them by myself.
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Posted 2020-04-13 4:46 PM (#596776 - in reply to #352861)
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Yep, that interior is REALLY nice! At least you don't have a bunch of little kids to break it in.
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Posted 2020-05-09 2:15 PM (#597998 - in reply to #352861)
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@ Mike, thanks for the compliment.

@ Sven, your seal fit perfectly and doesn't leak
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Posted 2020-05-09 3:53 PM (#598002 - in reply to #596775)
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ToMopar - 2020-04-13 10:18 PM Thank you all for the compliments,- it gives me a boost in motivation. The next step is to pass the car inspection. @ Steve, I don't really drive until now, because the wagon is not registered. @ Nathan, no the bends are not original. The tubes from waldrons were not even, so I make them by myself. Here is a picture I would worry about after camping.
very nice interior 

 

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