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Extreme Veteran Posts: 354   Location: Louisiana | Here it is. The sinkhole for all discretionary spending through 2008. I'm very excited. The big '58 DeSotos have always been my favorite FL cars. A few questions... 1. Was there any rhyme or reason to the color of the headlight doors? Most '58 DeSotos I've seen use have an argent (silver) color while a small minority have black. 2. Any suggestions for radial tires if I want to keep original wheelcovers and a somewhat stock appearence? 3. Was the honeycomb grille screen originally plated or painted? I don't have one so I'm totally clueless. I've seen some pictures where the grille was obviously plated but I've seen others where it wasn't so clear. 4. Do most '57-'58 DeSoto owners still use the original rear exhaust ports? Have you ever had a problem with water accumulating in the low spots? This will be a long term project. I'm ripping some walls down in my garage so I have more room to work. I plan to post some want ads soon (I'm particularly looking for the two stainless trim pieces that make up the tip of the color-spear on the passenger side). The plan is for a restification (original appearence with modern mechanicals). Forwardlook.net has been a huge help and I'm grateful for everyone who has answered my sometimes simplistic questions. Justin Metairie, LA (IMG_0057small.jpg) (IM000603.JPG) (IM000602.JPG) Attachments ----------------  IMG_0057small.jpg (91KB - 212 downloads) IM000603.JPG (38KB - 217 downloads) IM000602.JPG (37KB - 194 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709  Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Good luck in restoring, and much amount of patience too  I suppose that this strange scheme for outside rearview mirrors ( it's always driver's side single or a pair, here we have single on passenger side) is just becouse this mirror is another part You'll require ? | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308  Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Amazing! The car appears to be a Haze Blue Metallic/White car like mine! What are the odds against that happening? As my car is a Firesweep and not a Firedome or Fireflite I have no opinions on the senior car line's headlight doors. I have seen cars with argent (silver) and others with black doors, but I do not know which was correct or which color was used more often. Radial tires can be used with success with the original wheels and wheel covers. I have been running radial tires on my Firesweep for over 20 years. Any competent tire store should be able to tell you the correct radial tire equivalent to the bias ply that was fittedf to the car originally. Coker Tire should be able to tell you this too. They advertise in the hobby magazines a lot, and they are well known for being the source for obsolete tires. The mesh on my grille was painted "rattle can" black when I bought it, but I suspect it was a repaint, and a rather poor one at that by a prior owner as it flaked off within a year or so after I bought the car. The ones I have seen on other cars look to me as if they are plated. If it pleases you to use the exhaust ports on the bumper, then why not say I. Be aware though that there was a problem with corrosion of the bumper during service. Probably this was a result of the moisture in the exhaust gases. Many cars were converted to standard below the bumper outlets when replacements became neccessary. I seem to recall that there was even a service bulletin on this by Chrysler at the time. Good luck on your project.  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Well, so it's really REARview mirror | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 354 Location: Louisiana | |||
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| Doctor DeSoto |
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 Location: Parts Unknown | A few questions... 1. Was there any rhyme or reason to the color of the headlight doors? Most '58 DeSotos I've seen use have an argent (silver) color while a small minority have black. 57 used P&A black or body color. 58 used silver. Lit even acknowledges this as being a "new" feature for 58. How some got to be black or other colors could be collision repair or owner modification ??? 2. Any suggestions for radial tires if I want to keep original wheelcovers and a somewhat stock appearence? I run BFG Silvertowns with a 2.5 WW. Just my opinion, but radials look like crap on old cars. The proportions are all wrong. Too wide and too short. The day someone makes a good radial that cannot be detected from an original (58) tire, and I'll consider making the change. Till then, the difference in performance is worth the stock look. 3. Was the honeycomb grille screen originally plated or painted? I don't have one so I'm totally clueless. I've seen some pictures where the grille was obviously plated but I've seen others where it wasn't so clear. The mesh is a silver anodized aluminum. 4. Do most '57-'58 DeSoto owners still use the original rear exhaust ports? Have you ever had a problem with water accumulating in the low spots? The exhaust ports were a great Buck Rogers idea, but hell on the rear end plating. Damn, they look good huffing steam on a cold morning, but they are a real bitch to stuff up through those super tight curves and they rattle and self destruct in short order. I have built original looking tip fillers to give the correct look, but run my duals back as 2.5 inch, then jump to 3 inch from the hump back, turning them down about 3 inches shy of the bumper edge, getting the end down there to catch the wind and get those caustic gasses away from my expensive chrome! The 3 inch pipe at the back really gives the exhaust a deep murmur. Open up those secondaries under load and you have no doubts there is some serious American iron somewhere in the county! Damn, I love my car! I am all about 58 Desotos and have some great lit for reference. Hit me up anytime you want to yack 58 B. | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Thanks for the replies! About the siliver headlight doors, were these painted silver, anodized, or just bare metal? I have found these two ways in the field .... the pot metal "bucket" is painted and actually riveted to the chrome plated "ring", or the two are simply held in place by the screws that hold the "ring" to the fender. Many times the paint is toast, but originally they were painted a flat, or low gloss silver. I too have been looking at the BFG Silvertown radials. Do you use the 70 series or the 75 series? Do you have problems with the tires rubbing the fender wells? I run 7.60 x 15's on the Kelsey-Hayes wires. These are not radials, but I find they drive just fine. If I wanted a Honda Hotrod, I'd sell my DeSoto and buy one, you know? I want a 50's car and expect it to drive like one. ... and I am a guy who drives my cars across the country, not to shows across town. The bias plys do quite well with the suspension design and weight of car. I don't understand everybody's hot desire to go radial. Afterall, isn't the charm of a 50's car the fact that it is a 50's car ??? I think the 14's leave way too much wheel well showing ... they look too small on a car that size. The K-H wires are stock, look like a million bucks, and give me a 15" wheel to fill that big wheel well a little better. These tires are 10 years old now, but were only one season old when the car was wrecked. I have no rub problems. I never thought about the grille being anodized, but now that I think of it, it makes perfect sense. In the old pictures, the grille screen is definitely visible, but not near as shiny as it would have been had it been plated. Anodized aluminum was a "new thing" (and it was all about "new" in the 50's!) and DeSoto had to work a little into the plan somewhere! I like your exhaust plan. I can imagine the difficulty in fitting together a stock exhaust system; you need an exact fit on both ends. My exhaust system is rotted out so I'm going to have to start from scratch. The actual exhaust ports are still in reasonable shape. However, the vertical 'telescope' pieces behind them are pretty ravaged. If you ever see an original set up, the factory devised an odd "socket-n-ball" pivot system to bend the already kinky end pipes up through that super tight slot. Road vibration works these fittings loose, the gasses just ate up the whole rear corners of the cars. These car were rusters from day one, the added exhaust design only accelerated the process. Not good from a preservationists point of view! I am not the parts warehouse I used to be, but drop a line anytime. Who knows, ... maybe I can set you up? Brent | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Thanks for the kind words about my ride. Yes, it is a "Spring Special" model. I don't think it was originally a "Spring Special" as there is some paint on the firewall under the hood that is definitly apple green and it matches the paint that was uncovered when I scratched the white paint on the roof. The man I bought it from mentioned that he had taken it in trade from a young man for a service he had done him, but he didn't say whether it was the young man or he himself that had done the repaint and mounted the special trim. Whatever, the rocker panel moulding was definitly part of the Spring Special trim package and it looks good. Dr. DeSoto is from the "tastes great" crowd that thinks bias ply tires should be used on our collector cars as that's what they had when they were new. That's fine. You can get bias ply tires with the correct width whitewall from Coker Tire and (probably) the other tire stores too (although I'll bet you'll have to special order them). I on the other hand am part of the "less filling" crowd who appeciates the smoother ride radials can give me and the better handling at speed that they can give. It's no surprise to anyone who drives 50s cars that the handing leaves a lot to be desired. "Boulevard Ride" was the buzz word in the 50s ads to describe how these cars felt as they trundled down the highway; I call it "marshmallow ride". GM was the worst offender in this area; their big-ass Buick Roadmasters and Cadillac 62s were very soft in the suspension. Good luck on your project. If you're looking for some '58 bits and pieces I may be able to help you out. Let me know. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | I couldn't find the ad on eBay as you suggested, but from the description you gave, I believe I already have a copy of this ad. There's a Hollywood starlet touting the advantages of owning a 1958 DeSoto and the car pictured is a dead ringer for mine except it's a Firedome or Fireflite. Same Horizon blue metallic and white paint and the usual "Spring Special" trim items. My brother bought this for me at a literature vendor at one of the car shows we go to. I have color chip charts for the 1957-59 DeSoto line but unfortuately it doesn't indicate if there was a certain color that was used for the "Spring Special" . Maybe if someone has the salesman's data books from those years or paperwork from the sales department they might be able to shed some more light on what was considered a "Spring Special". | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 354 Location: Louisiana | Thanks for the corrections about the C-pillar panel and rear bumper guard! What originally drew me to the DeSoto was the relatively restrained use of chrome. The car's shape speaks for itself; it doesn't have 300 lbs. of chrome trinkets dangling from it. This is in stark contrast to a number of '58 GM models; I can't imagine the cost of replating a Buick Limited! Still, part of me wants to dress up the car a bit. Maybe I could find a rear bumper guard, or one of the roof molding packages illustrated here: http://www.turbinecar.com/brochures/58Desoto/page10-19.htm When I'm done, I'd like the car to look a bit like this (except in blue). Attachments ---------------- 58ds18.jpeg (70KB - 208 downloads) | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 354 Location: Louisiana | Technical problem...here's that picture I wanted to post.. (58ds18.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58ds18.jpg (55KB - 203 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Looking at your pic, I see a pretty typically equipped Dome 2HT. Can't make out in the shadow if it has the rear bumper guards, but I would say it looks like it does not. I really need to get out my lit files. The saleman's pocket guide shows all the options, options groups, and prices against which models came with what or could not be equipped so. From the exterior shot, I can see this car has optional rock guards on the rear wheel edge, radio, dual rear antennas, clear glass, and side mount mirrors for both sides. Probably a 2bbl car (361 is a given) and 94.6% chance it has an automatic. I would guess the gears to be 3.23 (non-POSI). I used to have a whole s-heap of 58 - 60 Buicks. Neat cars, but oh, what a bitch to work on compared to the FL Mopars! I was originally attracted to Mopar by a 57 NY'er coupe I found. The previous owner wanted to drag race it and took all the side trim off the car, folded it over his knee, and stuffed it in a trash can (where it still was when I bought the car! In my hunt for missing parts I came across the 300 club, and this led me to the 57 -58 DeSotos. From there, it was all down hill ! The only gripe I have about 58 DeSoto styling is that I like the 57 color sweep better, for how it creates a giant dart-shaped wedge out of the whole quarter. The 58 is alright, but I like 57 better for that one singular point. A small price to pay for all the things I like so much more about 58! You have a great car to build there. I obviously agree with you in your "fine" taste in automobiles! Brent | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Devioussquirrel - 2004-05-03 4:21 AM Thanks for the corrections about the C-pillar panel and rear bumper guard! Computer burned my eyes so bad, that I never noticed that piece of chrome on C-pillar  By the way - is it me, or there's no any difference with those roof moldings put on ? As for those bars on deck lid, they look like something similar to Buick Limited's side bars for me..or something from other car...I think I have already seen somewhere such design...and it wasn't a Forward Looker, I think... Maybe I could find a rear bumper guard, or one of the roof molding packages illustrated here: http://www.turbinecar.com/brochures/58Desoto/page10-19.htm. Thanks, thanks , thanks, thanks..(a line of not-countable "thankses") for a source of such lovely brochure. I managed to find some GM brochures scans in Web, but expect for Imperial and 1960 Chrysler I didn't had nothing for Forward Look - expect a couple of ads. Now I have There was a Firesweep convertible ? I never saw such body type in this line. In the accesories, there is a "usual" electric clock, and the other one for wheel hub...I thought , that it was specific for DeSoto, to have clock, if ordered, in the centre of steering wheel..so You could have had 2 clocks ? And why would someone need light in the ash tray ?! Doctor DeSoto - 2004-05-03 7:03 AM The only gripe I have about 58 DeSoto styling is that I like the 57 color sweep better, for how it creates a giant dart-shaped wedge out of the whole quarter. I accept both designs - the 1957 one gives extra length, when You look at the car, and 1958 gives extra fin height. As I sometimes try to design cars by myself, I can add, that it's hard to create such curve as '58 had, sweeping trim always looks stupid on my cars. Edited by FinFan 2004-05-03 4:41 AM | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Finfan - Sweep got a ragtop added for 58. I would guess a steering wheel clock was an added option? My car has both clocks, that way the smoker using the ashtray light can see what time it is from the passenger side, right? (DeSotodash.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DeSotodash.jpg (69KB - 243 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | The only gripe I have about 58 DeSoto styling is that I like the 57 color sweep better, for how it creates a giant dart-shaped wedge out of the whole quarter. I accept both designs - the 1957 one gives extra length, when You look at the car, and 1958 gives extra fin height. As I sometimes try to design cars by myself, I can add, that it's hard to create such curve as '58 had, sweeping trim always looks stupid on my cars. Being somethin of a realist, I am forced to "accept" both designs as well. .... especially since my calls back to DeSoto HQ to *demand* they change back have gone unanswered ! | ||
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Account Suspended (Steve Hobby Alias) Posts: 3365 Location: North West Jorsey | |||
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Location: Parts Unknown | This car has some pretty unusual goodies on it. The 150 Police speedo, did you notice the Forward Look marked traffic light viewer? The Benrus clock is pretty cool too. There is a sign on the dash that reads: Windows are not to be lowered at speeds in excess of 200 mph. ( ! ) I will have to keep that in mind. Other options include power steering, brakes, seats, and windows, seeker radio with foot actuator, tinted glass, removeable sunvisors, dual mirrors, dual rear antennas, underhood and trunk light, triad horn, Nascar air cleaner, and of course, the K-H wire wheels. I probably even have a lighted change tray (ash tray for us anti-smokers), and I am pretty sure it has a lighted glove box too. What it does not have that is kind of odd is rock guards (most cars got them) or any other Spring Special trim besides paint color. It was a real late production car. The old fenders had / have funny holes above the trim line (filled with bondo) and I found the chrome half of a fuel injection tag in a the trunk when I got it. Now YOU tell me what that means! B. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2308 Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Devioussquirrel - 2004-05-03 7:52 PM I think the 58 DeSotos have a more refined looking front end than the 57's. The grille, hood ornament, and domed windshield really enhance the appearance. It's as if they took the '57 model and polished away some of the rough spots. I have no preference between the two side treatments and actually prefer the smooth oval exhaust ports on the '57. Have any of you guys ever noticed a difference in build quality between the 57's and 58's? I've read that Chrysler engineers scrambled to fix the quality problems after complaints starting coming in on the 57's. In your experience, is there any real improvement? Of all the '57 and '58 models, I think the only '57 I prefer (appearance-wise) is the Dodge. It's more primitive looking than the '58, but I like its meaner stance. Justin I have not noticed any real difference in the build quality between the 1957 model and the 1958. I can well imagine though that the Chrysler engineers were scrambling to take care of some of the complaints that surfaced when the 57s were put into service. They didn't really get a handle on this until the Uni-body cars debuted in 1960 though. I have had: 1) 1957 Dodge Coronet; 2) 1957 Chrysler Windsor 3) 1957 DeSoto Fireflite 4) 1958 DeSoto Firesweep 5)1959 Dodge Coronet; 6) 1959 Plymouth Suburban 6 - pass wagon 7) 1960 Dodge Dart Phoenix. 8) 1962 Chrysler New Yorker. The Uni-body cars were in relatively good condition when I bought them, even though they had been used in the rust belt of the Upper Mid-West. The FL cars from the late 50's however were frankly in pretty poor condition except for the DeSotos that I purposely bought from the Southwestern desert. I don't know what, if anything Chrysler was using as rustproofing on the late 50s cars, but it was ineffective as the Rust monster had taken its toll on any car operated where the state used salt on the road in the winter.  Hey, Dr, DeSoto! I didn't know that you had a Police Certified speedometer in your car! That's got to be pretty rare! What's the history behind your car?  Edited by 58 DESOTOS RULE 2004-05-03 11:05 PM | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I am 4th owner. Car came into possession of 2nd owner in 1960, in Syracuse, NY. That owner moved to Madison, Wisc. in 1960 0r 68 (conflicting stories) and sold the car in 1983. I got the car from the 3rd owner in 1995. Who the 1st owner was, and where, I have yet to determine. I was kinda hot on this a couple months ago, but have gotten distracted with finishing the shop .... to work on the car in! ..... imagine that! | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Doctor DeSoto - 2004-05-04 3:00 AM This car has some pretty unusual goodies on it. The 150 Police speedo, did you notice the Forward Look marked traffic light viewer? The Benrus clock is pretty cool too. There is a sign on the dash that reads: Windows are not to be lowered at speeds in excess of 200 mph. ( ! ) I will have to keep that in mind. What a pathetic name for a speedo with 30 MPH more Why windows shouldn't be lowered ? I doubt if any usual owner tried to reach 200 MPH with this car when it was new...not to mention today... Other options include power steering, brakes, seats, and windows, seeker radio with foot actuator, tinted glass, removeable sunvisors, dual mirrors, dual rear antennas, underhood and trunk light, triad horn, Nascar air cleaner, and of course, the K-H wire wheels. I probably even have a lighted change tray (ash tray for us anti-smokers), and I am pretty sure it has a lighted glove box too. Nice set of "dual everything", "light everything" and "power everything" Is there something left on the options list, that is not in Your car ? Probably only those options which were limited to wagons, I doubt if You have power rear liftgate window What it does not have that is kind of odd is rock guards (most cars got them) or any other Spring Special trim besides paint color. It was a real late production car. The old fenders had / have funny holes above the trim line (filled with bondo) and I found the chrome half of a fuel injection tag in a the trunk when I got it. Now YOU tell me what that means! It means that You have experimental car in which prototype fuel injection was tested | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | I must be annoying, You have so much to explain me.  Anyway, it looks that You would like to make this non-typical car more unconventional | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Finfan .... You do not annoy me. Talk FL cars all day long and into the night .... fine by me! I have a special place in my heart for Poland, and you get ten extra "bonus points" ! My best friend for many years was Polish. His parents left right after the war. I traveled to Poland with them in 1980. I had a wonderful time. I only lament how impossible the FL scene must be for you ! Brent | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Great to know that Dr DeSoto I plan to go to America..someday..somehow...I'm obliged to do so, after all those are American cars (Eureka !) I only wonder if You Americans will let me in, with all those visas and this stuff... Last night I was looking at literature sold on E-bay...those wonderful sales brochures, folders, ads, there was even one "Popular Mechanics" with report on all new 1957 models...I would like to have each copy of literature for every brand and every year I'm interested in...looks like I will be able to open a small library if I'll manage to gain those As for Forward Look scene, or widely : 50's american cars scene, it's a various access - You're able to find some 1949-1953 Chevrolet , which vere used by our diplomacy, later models are found in single examples...I know about one '55 Buick which looks like it had a small fire inside, also one '57 Buick and one '49, one or two '47-'48 Plymouths, one '58 Firesweep without front clip, there's also a '59 DeSoto which used to be a wagon, and someone conveted it into convertible. I saw it, it stands in a private collection which is also a small museum. Deck lid is custom-made and looks horrible, front fenders and bumper don't fit properly..at least it isn't rusted and abandoned. What is interesting, we have (had ? ) one 1951 Kaiser here, it was imported for 1st Secretary of our Communist Party. The other interesting car is a '53 Buick Skylark, which I also saw, it's missing a couple of trim pieces, but it's restored. As for "more finned" years as 1959, there's one rusted Chevy Parkwood wagon, and that's all. There's no late-finned Mopars. Then, there's a large gap, and there go very late 70's cars. | ||
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Account Suspended (Steve Hobby Alias) Posts: 3365 Location: North West Jorsey | James Just send the car. You can stay home! Brent is very knowledgeable on this stuff. Don't take him wrong, he's cool. He knows these old Fins better than I do on top, interchanges, trims ect. I spent most of my non Arthritis career under them. Even at that, I was under the early sixties and late fifty's stuff. He's like me, always on the site, gleaning the information, trying to put in some factual input for everybody. Contrary to what some think, I don't have all the answers either, but I know my way around the front ends, brakes, and electrical systems in these short lived beasts. You are in a real class of your own there. How many Desotos are actually in Poland? When you are done putting the car back together, people will probably ask you where you got the Russian built car. Hell. They ask me that here and I don't have any roadable fins . . . Yet. We'll put a light on for you. Need help, just shoot up a flare. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 709 Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | I thought about importing a car. But I doubt if I ever would earn here in Poland enough to do so. Being such a theory-type guy, I also know much more about the design, than about the technical site of those cars. I only know that they were too unconventional in their "youth" to be imported here by private people - our mechanics couldn't be able to fix all those torsion bars, push buttons and electrics. And there certainly would be what to fix, as there was always lack of cars in those years, and they were used 20+ years. I forgot to mention one '57 Dodge that we have here. Here's only one artistically idiot shot of it that I have, there was written that's a Custom Royal. (dog57.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dog57.jpg (25KB - 226 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Steve - Don't go talking like that. You'll get my head all swollen and my humor hat won't fit no more! I know a little about a lot of stuff, and a lot about a little. If I ever get all my parts and reference books out of boxes in the dungeon, I will be able to speak with more certainty. It was over 10 years ago I put them away and things have gotten a little rusty upstairs! Day before yesterday I finished the siding on the south end of the shop, and last night I finished staining all the trim. The floors are 80% refinished ( to a point where the car rolls around on my spiffy new wheel dollies ) without too much trouble. Kinda like polishing a turd, to quote a famous movie! The 57 NY'er parts car is a couple weeks away from delivery, which should time well with my work on the shop, so as I can get both cars IN the shop, side-by-side, and actually get to working on some metal instead of all this distracting prepwork ! Since I always have eleventy-thousand projects going, distraction is a real problem for me! Staying pretty well on schedule and moving ahead though. The floor grinding is putting a nasty concrete dusting on everything. I will wait until that mess is over before getting out fragile stuff like books and pictures. Either way, always happy to help (when I can). I sure appreciate it when someone offers me that little secret method or insight. Glad to return something to the Karma cart ! | ||
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Account Suspended (Steve Hobby Alias) Posts: 3365 Location: North West Jorsey | LOL What's your address? I have a pair of oversized shoe horns to get your head throught the door! hehehehehehe I am the same way. Know a lot about a lot of different things. Let's put it this way. Enough to have to "Change foot in mouth" often. | ||
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