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Location: Tulsa,Oklahoma | i was talking with a classmate of mine in my management class, who happens to work for the company that laid the concrete for the vault. He was able to go down into the vault and see the vault up close, turns out what happened was the bottom gunite was laid first and it was left to sit then they sprayed the walls thus leaving a cold joint that was not sealed and thats how the water got in.
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | I read in a Mag that the Car Burial was a " Last Minute Idea " and the Vault was only Made several days before " Miss Belvedere " was Entombed, so the Concrete / Gunite was still Wet .. Giving Miss Belvedere No Chance of Survival. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | There was water seeping into the tomb in the 1957 photos. Bad design, bad planning, bad management. |
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Location: Warren, Michigan | I kind of wish tupperware was involved back in '57. You can't beat the burp. |
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Location: bishop, ca | I hear (read!) ya, Jeff; but you know what?
When I took a good look at the vault (and anyone can, too, by finding the pics of the vault, on this board) , I saw/see what
clearly appears to be many 'ancient' DOWN-leakages, into the vault, from the top, where the lids were placed (but NOT??
sealed??--well, anyway!) down onto the vault's perimeter wall-system.
There was at least one historical flooding from the Your-Kansas River, which inundated the downtown area.
Altho the vault may, in fact, have leaked from the bottom, I'm pretty sure that there was considerable continued
leakage(s) from the top, too.
If there were only to have been subterranian leakages, then, there should only have been a neat series of bathtub ("lake-)rings
on its sides; but there appears to be clear evidence of lousy TOP sealings (too).
BTW, for those of us who WERE present, on WED 7/13/07, to see the 3-section lids get removed, there was no "interlocking"
of the lids, and no notched/mortice-and-tenon joints (OR sealing-material residue) in evidence.
I don't know HOW the lids were secured, laterally, to each other----go find any of the many pics that were taken, while the
2nd anfd the 3rd lids were removed, and you'll see only straight/smooth surfaces.
Edited by d500neil 2007-09-28 5:09 PM
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Location: Tulsa,Oklahoma | i'm not saying there wasn't leakage but most of the water came in from the unpitched joint. according to the structual engineers. |
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Location: Bama | Tulsans sure now how to build a big septic tank. I'll bet that was one of the biggest they have ever constructed.  |
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Location: Lemoore CA | Wonder if the Humbersons could sue the contractor for ruining their car? In this day and age anything outragious is possible. |
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Location: Tulsa,Oklahoma | 5859 - 2007-09-29 1:33 AM
Wonder if the Humbersons could sue the contractor for ruining their car? In this day and age anything outragious is possible.
the car is still in Tulsa. theres been another snafu. |
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Location: Williams California | Moparman74114 - 2007-09-29 7:48 AM
5859 - 2007-09-29 1:33 AM
Wonder if the Humbersons could sue the contractor for ruining their car? In this day and age anything outragious is possible.
the car is still in Tulsa. theres been another snafu.
Another snafu? Is it a legal issue or otherwise? |
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Location: Bama | http://forum.missbelvedere.com/bbs/
This is the Ultraone guy. Keeping it up to date. |
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| Hey bishop, the dream team is restricted to critiquing old cars--septic tanks and their construction are off limits. And I love Lawrence's new photo--something not very surprising about seeing it though. Where's the goats? |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Extract from a mag.. i have shortened it some...
The Unexpected donation of Miss bevedere came late in tulsa,s 1957 celebrationof Oklahomassemi -centennial, The first mention was late may, about 3 weeks before the sealing of the time capsule..
Volunteer workers dug a car size hole in the lawn and began constructing the vault, The TRIBUNAL photographed workers tying rebar-metalreinforcing rods for the floor and walls on thursday morning June 13th, 2 days before the burial. the horizontal and vertical rebar formed a sturdy grid having squares that were 6" to 8" in diameter,
The True-Gun ALL equipment Co using a concrete Spraying machine to build up the walls and floor , layer by layer until the walls were 6" thick, this happenedThe Thursday afternoon. 48 hrs before the plymouth was lowered in..
In Publicity Shots, you can see Dark Spots were the Concrete had not entirely Cured . Then they put the Lids on Fresh concrete to seal the Vault,, Meaning lots of wet Concrete that never got at least 28 days to cure..
Edited by Rebels-59 Coronet 2007-10-01 7:25 AM
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Location: Hell's Outhouse - a.k.a. Buckeye, Arizona | Well, at least the brass behind Tulsarama! 2007 stayed true to their forebears - 2007 was indeed thrown together just as slipshod and hasty as 1957..... |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Another Extract..
3 tulsa experts agree that the Vault Lies at least partly the worst possible Soil, CLAY.. The soil around the bottom of the vault is Stiff Clay, predicts Art Couch, Although it can,t be proven, However Freddy Trujilly, A soil conservation technician said if the Soil below the Vault is similar to other soils found the same distance - about 1 mile - from the ArkansasRiver, workers will find 3 layers, from the surface to 1 1/2 feet down loamy fine sand and other soils that don,t hold water , 1 1/2 to 4 1/2 feet down sandy clay loams , and 4 1/2 feet and deeper Clay loams..
A clay can retain water quite a bit , for a long period of time, But also the problem with clays propensity to hold water , when it rains heavily , --The citys annual rain fall is 39 to 42" ( with out the Flood ) Clay absorbs Water and swells , when it Dries out it shrinks, What often happens when concrete is placed directly againest a heavy clay soil , It Cracks , Like the Problems with basements .. Then the water gets in for a long period of time and can,t get out .. |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Shame they didn,t wash and Clean the Vault OUT and check for All or Any cracks before they filled it with gravel and muck.. !!!!!!!!! Would be interesting to know the true extent of wear to ithe Vault .. and not just the car |
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Location: bishop, ca | Yeah, kinda like beating a dead car, but there was a lot of water which leaked into the vault, from overhead, un-deniably.
I wonder if anyone ever considered, or to what extent, considered, enclosing the car in a welded-up container.
What's really galling, is the knowledge that the Indigenous peoples of T Town must have had, about their own ground-table
composition, and the propensity of their own basements to leak.
Of course, "Gunnite" might have been the Ultra-One-type "snake-oil" product, of the moment, back in 1957, and
people just might not have wanted to reason too-deeply into the car's preservation, cause, after all, THEY won't have
been around, to watch its un-earthing, and, gee, well, Gunnite SOUNDS like a good-deal, and, then, there's that
STITCHED-up baggie ("which will keep the DUST off of it") thingee.....
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Location: Blythewood, SC | Guys, you keep forgetting:
PUBLICITY STUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tulsa didn't care about the car in 1957 or in 2007. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, the family of Ms. Belvie's winner sure doesn't/don't care about the car either! |
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