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Location: Sunny Aldershot | has anyone seen the 58 fury in france.........its on american ebay.........the guy sent me some pics.....it a real buckskin and gold fury.....its on about 4k..........cheap car ..... |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | kustomade - 2008-02-12 10:44 AM
has anyone seen the 58 fury in france.........its on american ebay.........the guy sent me some pics.....it a real buckskin and gold fury.....its on about 4k..........cheap car .....
How about Sharing the PIC,s on this Thread..
I listed a Link in a Thread to that Auction a while Back.
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18612&post...
Although it is Bid up to over $8000 , The Reserve is NOT Met.. |
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | I know this car story up until 1995, when it was sold to someone in Limoges.
After that, no one saw the car again, and I assumed it had been restored but kept behind closed doors.
This car was found in a french barn in the early '90s near a vineyard, and originally belonged to a rich man from Paris who came on holiday in Saint Nicolas de Bourgeuil.
Glad to see it again !! |
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Location: Durham,United Kingdom | Somebody stick me a link on would they.
I can't find it anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | 59caddyhog - 2008-02-19 10:11 PM
Somebody stick me a link on would they.
I can't find it anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew..
Here is the EXPIRED Auction from Ebay..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/COLLECTOR-1958-PLYMOUTH-FURY-350ci-2...
Here are some PIC,s that ADE posted..
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Location: Durham,United Kingdom | Cheers Fred, shame about the pictures and the crap advert.
I would love a proper golden fins but how are ya ment to know what you are buying off this guy.
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | I contacted the seller : he will be selling the car again thru eBay shortly, this time with detailed pictures.
In the meantime, here is the full story of this car : In the early '90s, Alain Lebas, a northern french lover of forward look cars told one long time friend about his passion for '50s american cars. Much to its surprise, his friend replied that his father kept one in a barn, near his vineyard in Saint Nicolas de Bourgueil (near Saumur in the Loire region), but he did not know anything about it.
Several months passed until he had a chance to go with his friend see the car. When they opened the barn, he was astonished to see that it was a '58 Plymouth, the exact model he was searching for years. When he dusted off the car, he saw that it was a '58 Plymouth Fury, so his heartbeat went up a little more. When opening the bonnet, he recognized the engine and did not believed what he had found : an original french '58 Plymouth Fury with the optional 350cid Golden Commando engine.
He got back to his friend's father and asked for the history of the car. The car had always been in Saint Nicolas de Bourgueil since the '50s and belonged to a rich parisian couple who had a holiday house there and came only a few months each year. The car was a familiar sight in this small village. The man died in the '70s or in the '80s, and his widow kept the car but could not drive it. After a while, she gave it to the father of Alain's friend and died several years later. The father of Alain's friend drove it for a while, but then had brake problems, so he parked it under a cherry tree where it sat for a few years until he put it in the barn.
Alain immediately offered to buy the car from the father of his friend, but he did not want to sell for unknown reasons. Not wanting to lose the contact, he became friend with the wine grower and came to see him and his car over the next few years. In 1994, Alain's wife persuaded the wine grower to sell the car in order to offer it for Alain's birthday. They agreed on a price of 25.000 Francs (3750 euros).
Alain got the car back to northern France but it stayed outside his house for a full year, because he did not have the garage space to park it. A lot of people stopped by and asked if the car was for sale, but he declined each time. Unfortunately, he went thru personal problems, and finally divorced from his wife. In the end, he decided to sell the car due to financial problems. A guy from Limoges (our eBay seller, no doubt) bought the car sight unseen for 50.000 Francs (7500 euros) in 1995. The car was never to be seen again until this last week.
I got all this story straight from Alain Lebas a few years ago. I went to see him because he lives not far from where I live, and still has a few parts here and there. He is known to be a great Mopar mechanic, and I will probably overhaul my 318cid with him when the time comes. He also found a '57 Plymouth Fury in a northern France junkyard in the '80s, but that car went to the crusher. He also has a '60 Chrysler 300F shell with a lot of missing parts and says that he will restore it some day, though I doubt it.
This '58 Plymouth Fury is the second known in France. The first one was found in a barn in 1983 in while Columbia was searching for a promotional car for the "Christine" movie debut at the Avoriaz fantastic film festival. This car was badly restored and painted according to the movie, and is now in a car museum. I believe it was for sale not long ago, though I am not 100% sure.
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Location: Sunny Aldershot | i bid up to $10.000..........but did not go any further without better pictures........i wanted to see pics of the interior and the motor but the guy didnt send me any |
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Location: Pau, S-W France | Chrome58 - 2008-02-20 8:48 AM
The first one was found in a barn in 1983 in while Columbia was searching for a promotional car for the "Christine" movie debut at the Avoriaz fantastic film festival. This car was badly restored and painted according to the movie, and is now in a car museum. I believe it was for sale not long ago, though I am not 100% sure.
I agree with Vincent. Here is a page from 1987 # 18 issue of the ACCF magazine "The Bond" when the car belonged to a member of the club. Hey Vincent, in which museum she is ?
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Phil_the_frenchie - 2008-02-20 12:20 PM
Hey Vincent, in which museum she is ?
Hi Philippe,
I checked again and I must say I was completly wrong !!
The "Christine" promotional car fate is still unknown : I remember that you told me it was at the hands of a guy in Paris. So you must have the latest info on that ...
In fact, I stumbled upon lately on some photos of this car taken when it was for sale at Jolivet in the early '80s. And it looks like it is in some sort of a museum (which it is not, of course). And then my memory mixed everything ...
Here are those pictures, taken around 1986. You can see that the car was badly restored. In fact, Columbia selected a shop and gave them 15 days to "restore" the car, before starting its promotional tour !!
Here is the same car when it was found in a barn in the Charentes Maritime region :  |
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Location: Durham,United Kingdom | Hold on......this Guy with the Golden Fins is called "LeBas"
How close can ya get.
That would be the ultimate wouldn't it?
"Oh yes, I bought my '58 from LeBas" 
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Actually, Lebas was the previous owner of the eBay '58 Fury.
But it is funny, alright ... Never stroke me that Lebas was close to LeBay ! |
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Location: Grenoble - France | I just noticed that before eBay US, the car was listed on eBay France :
http://cgi.ebay.fr/COLLECTOR-1958-PLYMOUTH-FURY-COUPE-350ci_W0QQite...
It says rusty trunk floor and bottom of the rear fenders, cracked windshield, engine doesn't run. Doesn't say if the car is 100% complete or not. |
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Location: england | um intersting reading, i bid up to 10,000 but also stopped becaus ei hadnt a picture, ive just recieved a personal email today and he is agreeable to selling it, he wouldnt tell me how much but is sending me some more detailed pictures, ive tried to tempt him with money but it doesnt seem to tickle his fancy, i was a little worried about what philip the frenchie said " the man is a bit silly" so i wonder if he did agree a price if id actualy get the car.
i have had a very good offer on my car to a gentleman in aus and id go and collect this fury.
im well interested in that 57 fury being the french christine, i wonder if we could find out where that is.
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Location: Pau, S-W France | When a guy tells you at phone "come, see the car ('57 Diplomat conv) and we'll talk" then you make 400 miles (x 2 ), the guy isn't here ("busy" ..) and you see only the guardian of the garage i can't trust in his good faith .. He sucked me one time, not two ..
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | christine 58 - 2008-02-20 5:50 PM
um intersting reading, i bid up to 10,000 but also stopped becaus ei hadnt a picture,
i have had a very good offer on my car to a gentleman in aus and id go and collect this fury.
christine 58
Terry.. I am Not being Critical or Nasty... BUT if you want a 58 Plymouth, Why are you trying to Sell your UK Christine,, OR do you just want a Original 58..
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | 59caddyhog - 2008-02-19 10:57 PM
Cheers Fred, :)
HUH..........Fred
Try Clive...................... LOL |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | kustomade - 2008-02-20 9:18 AM
i bid up to $10.000..........but did not go any further without better pictures........i wanted to see pics of the interior and the motor but the guy didnt send me any
I would Hazard a Guess that the RESERVE was
$18,500
£10,000
Euro,, 12,800
I am guessing this Upon PHIL,s ( Frenchy ) Description of his Dealings with Him...
So this Beggars the Question,, If the Price is £10,000 and Needing a PROPER Restore( Not back strret garage ), What will the Car be Worth when Done.. |
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Location: england | no offence taken, ur right i wanted a genuine plymouth 58 fury, no other reason but ive just spent the last few days taking christine apart to reveal her floors and im suprised, i dont have a whole anyhwere, good news, a chap in australia is interested as were a lot of people in the uk, lots of dreamers i know but a few genuine, my situation fianacialy changed very quickly and so the need to sell her isnt a priority any longer, in actual fact i have some money to spend now which i why iwas interested in the fury, thats all. |
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Phil_the_frenchie - 2008-02-20 10:04 PM
When a guy tells you at phone "come, see the car ('57 Diplomat conv) and we'll talk" then you make 400 miles (x 2 ), the guy isn't here ("busy" ..) and you see only the guardian of the garage i can't trust in his good faith .. He sucked me one time, not two ..
Maybe it is not the same guy who sells it now ...
Who knows ? ... Maybe the car changed hands already once in the Limoges area.
Anyway, I am still wondering what to do ... I have my '58 Belvedere which is still being restored, but I'd be glad to get my hands on this original, unrestored '58 Fury. Though it would mean selling my '58 Belvedere, because I have only the space for one car.
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Location: Grenoble - France | Chrome58 - 2008-02-21 1:43 PM
Maybe it is not the same guy who sells it now ...
Who knows ? ... Maybe the car changed hands already once in the Limoges area.
The current seller has a 1965 Mustang coupe and 1980 Mustang Cobra. Maybe this could give you a clue? |
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Location: Pau, S-W France | Chrome58 - 2008-02-21 1:43 PM
Maybe it is not the same guy who sells it now ...
Who knows ? ... Maybe the car changed hands already once in the Limoges area.
I'm 99.9 % sure it's the same guy because the guardian told me the same day i looked at the Desoto (with some secret sentences and look ..) that the owner has also another car .... ha ha .. yes a very rare ... yes ... a '58 Fury bought in the north of France.. ..
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Location: Kangasala, Finland | Phil_the_frenchie - 2008-02-21 3:57 PM
Chrome58 - 2008-02-21 1:43 PM
Maybe it is not the same guy who sells it now ...
Who knows ? ... Maybe the car changed hands already once in the Limoges area.
I'm 99.9 % sure it's the same guy because the guardian told me the same day i looked at the Desoto (with some secret sentences and look .. ) that the owner has also another car .... ha ha .. yes a very rare ... yes ... a '58 Fury bought in the north of France.. ..
And the village was well St Yrieix ..
It is the same guy. I asked. And the convert is still not for sale... 
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Location: england | im really holding out for this car, does it mean we are all going to be bidding against each other etc. ive got my dough ready to go. |
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Location: Grenoble - France | Well, first goal would be to reach the reserve price ... then, to have the deal really made ... third, the car shipped ... LOL. |
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Location: Durham,United Kingdom | Ooooooops.......Sorry Clive mate. 
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | christine 58 - 2008-02-20 6:50 PM
im well interested in that 57 fury being the french christine, i wonder if we could find out where that is.
Actually, it was a '58 Fury, not a '57.
And it's not only the french Christine ... I've read that it had been shown at least in Germany, Spain and Portugal.
So for all I know, it is the european Christine !
As I said, its whereabouts are unknown at the moment, though it is believed she is in Paris.
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | The car is for sale again, this time on ebay.co.uk with starting bid of £1 and a reserve !
Still no pictures, when the guy wrote to me last time that he would sell it again on eBay, but this time with "a lot of detailed pictures".
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB...
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The Guy just sent me a Bunch of PIC,s .. I can post them for all to see if anyone is Interested.......... It needs Work.. |
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Location: Grenoble - France | The Guy just sent me a Bunch of PIC,s .. I can post them for all to see if anyone is Interested.......... It needs Work..
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Location: Kangasala, Finland | I am not going to bid but would love to see the pics. Please, post them. |
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | FinFury57 - 2008-04-12 9:46 PM
I am not going to bid but would love to see the pics. Please, post them.
OK , But don,t blame me if these aren,t what you were Expecting.. LOL
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | 59caddyhog - 2008-04-14 6:10 PM
I bet the power windows are one of the rarest items on a Plymouth.
Not on the export ones ... I've seen power windows on all the '58s in France so far.
I guess that for the price they were sold in Europe at the time, power windows had to be standard.
I know for a fact that a '58 Fury was sold 257,000 Belgian Francs in Belgium when new.
That was twice the price of a Citroën DS19, which were already high range models to start with.
And by the way, for our american readers, that figure translated into $5,140 in 1958 !
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Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Auction Finished at £8700 Reserve NOT Met.........
Has been Relisted for another 10 Days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1958-PLYMOUTH-FURY-COLLECTOR_W0QQitemZ2502392...
Still No Pic,s been Added though.........
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | This guy really doesn't know how to sell a car on eBay ...
His item description is short and minimal, and no decent picture are shown.
And the pictures he send to the potential buyers, well they suck, they could have been taken by a 5 year old.
Let's not mention the fact that he wants a truckload of dough for his Fury.
I had been warned about him by Philippe, but now I can see the facts for myself.
It's a pity though, because this original french car needs to be saved.
I guess either someone comes with the dough and grabs it, or it will wait another 15 years before being sold again.
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