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| The car is a Dodge Phoenix 1960-cab: 5306110702
Could anyone please decode?
Could anyone decode the bodyplate attached aswell?
Thanks alot!
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Location: bishop, ca | Well, it looks to have been scheduled for production on 1/19(??--hard to read).
"535" translates to 318 4-bbl engine, Phoenix, and convertible.
"168" translates to Dart, Phoenix cloth&vinyl, and YOU have to tell me what color the interior is, because "blue" is a
final "0" , and "turquoise" is a "6", and "Cactus-green" is a "7", if that last digit is a "3"; it would confirm the gray/neutral
color interior.
"F" is the top-color, and a "3" is GREEN colored top; a "4" would be a blue top.
Your car probably has a tinted-and-shaded windshield, only; the rest of the glass should be plain/clear windows.
I'm not sure what that "E" code designates.
Can you try a pencil-rubbing over the PNT code, to confirm its digits?
As far as the VIN is concerned: "5": Dodge Dart
"3": High Price Car
"0': 1960
"6": Delaware production plant
"110702": production sequence number, which began with 100,001, so your car was the 10,702nd car built at that assembly plant.
Do you know what your car's engine's stamping number is? It's stamped on a flat-area, by the base of the distributor.
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| When I tried to decode the VIN all i got was that the car is a Plymouth Fury '60 produced in Delaware. But the car is a Phoenix Cab. The original cab is white, the paint behind the dashboard is red, the primer is red aswell and underneath the cab is a plum red color.
is the pnt 221 a possible combination? the last one is a 1.looks like pp1...sorry, very rusty.
I am sure that the last TRM digit is an 8. My guess is that the interior has been red since we've found lots of red color on the car.
Intake number: 1859229
Carbureter number: AL9 29915
The engine's stamping number is: 1737928
Tanks for helping us. |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | imperial.413 - 2008-09-16 12:20 AM
When I tried to decode the VIN all i got was that the car is a Plymouth Fury '60 produced in Delaware. But the car is a Phoenix Cab. The original cab is white, the paint behind the dashboard is red, the primer is red aswell and underneath the cab is a plum red color.
is the pnt 221 a possible combination? the last one is a 1.looks like pp1...sorry, very rusty.
I am sure that the last TRM digit is an 8. My guess is that the interior has been red since we've found lots of red color on the car.
Intake number: 1859229
Carbureter number: AL9 29915
The engine's stamping number is: 1737928
Tanks for helping us.
The first digit in the VIN is the car line / engine. "5" is for a Dodge Dart V8, while "3" is for a Plymouth V8. The second digit is for the series, and for the Dart "3" was Phoenix (except wagon) while Plymouth was Fury (except wagon).
The paint code "PP1" would be correct. Dodge had one red in 1960, Vermilion, which was letter "P".
2? - Upper colour - Vermillion
2? - Lower colour - Vermillion
1 - Paint style - all one colour
The number "1737928" is probably a casting number and is raised on the block. The engine number is stamped into the engine, and on the 318 was stamped on the front of the block, driver's side, just below the head. It should start with a letter.
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| I've just been in my garage and washed the engine. The only number that could be the enginge's stamping number was 1737928 with the number 4 one row above.
Intake number: 1859229
Carbureter number: AL9 29915 (possible enginge stamping?)
The engine's stamping number is: 1737928
While i was washing the engine i saw that it has originally been sliverish(not painted).
I recall reading somewhere that the Phoenix from Canada was equipped with a 313 c.i.d.
Could it be that the engine is a 313 since i can't find another number stamped?
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Location: Vancouver, BC | imperial.413 - 2008-09-16 5:34 AM
I've just been in my garage and washed the engine. The only number that could be the enginge's stamping number was 1737928 with the number 4 one row above.
Intake number: 1859229
Carbureter number: AL9 29915 (possible enginge stamping?)
The engine's stamping number is: 1737928
While i was washing the engine i saw that it has originally been sliverish(not painted).
I recall reading somewhere that the Phoenix from Canada was equipped with a 313 c.i.d.
Could it be that the engine is a 313 since i can't find another number stamped?
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The intake manifold number, 1859229, is a casting number - the number is cast into the block and is raised above the surface. You can feel the numbers as bumps when you run your fingers across them.
If the number "AL9 29915" is on the carburetor it is not the engine number. The engine number is stamped into the block and does not appear on the carburetor, intake manifold, exhaust manifolds or heads. Only the engine block.
If the engine is a silverish colour the engine was painted Chrysler's silver/aluminum engine colour. If it was not painted, it would appear to be a dull grey at best or, more likely, rust as the engine block is cast iron.
Exactly where on the engine block did you locate the number "1737928"?
Chrysler of Canada used the 313 in Plymouths and Dodges from 1958 to 1964, but 1737928 is not a Canadian engine number. The engine number for a Canadian 1960 313 would begin with prefix "PV" and have suffix "C". As the car came from Newark, Delaware, the engine should be an American unit beginning with "P31" or "P318". There is the possibility the engine was a replacement or rebuild which would explain the lack of a proper engine number.
The "P" is the Engineering Department's code for the 1960 model year, except for the 1960 Valiant which is "Q". Chrysler began using the Engineering Dept. code on the engine numbers starting with the 1957 Dodge engines. Its useage spread to DeSoto, Plymouth and Chrysler of Canada for 1958 and Chrysler/Imperial for 1959.
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Location: bishop, ca | OK, Stephan; if you have an "8" as the last digit under TRM, and that upholstery color is "red"; is your 'red' an all-
vinyl interior, or a cloth-and-vinyl motif?
I already have a "4" as being "red", but, in 1960 there WERE interiors of all-vinyl, and cloth-and-vinyl.
Which style do you have?
"Vermillion" was the color given for 1960 Dodge-red; I presume that the different brands had different names for their reds,
which should have been differing shades OF red. I think....
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Location: bishop, ca | Waitaminute!
This makes no sense at all.
You have a paint code of PP1---all RED, and the (present) interior may be red, too, but the convertible top is coded for GREEN????
I don't think that your car's PNT code is PP1....
What you CAN do is very-carefully unscrew the P/T plate and look at its underside, for the stamping impression.
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| Message to clear up this thread:
VIN :5306110702
Intake number: 1859229
Carbureter number: AL9 29915
Rear Axle number: 1830657
Engine Stamping number: P318-018431 (recently found it on the front,left top)
Fendertag:
BDY: 535
TRM: 168
PNT: PP1 (100% sure)
I've found red paint beneath the dashboard and under the cab, the color looks more like plum red poly (plymouth fury60) than vermilion red(dodge60).
I also have dowloaded a program capable of decoding VIN tags for Dodge 60-68 and when I looked up my VIN I got :
Model Year: 1960
Car Line & Model: PLYMOUTH - FURY II-6 (!?)
Assembly Plant: Newark, DE
Sequence Number: 110702
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP !
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| The interior of the car is totally gone unfortunately. When the car arrived from US(michigan) there was fitted a white cab which seemed to have been attached to the car for a very long time. The car is tealcolored but it is repainted since there is color on the chrome and there is red paint as mentioned. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Hello Stefan - welcome to the gang! You can trust Neil on the Dodge information - forget those programs for automatic decoding of the early cars.
Qoute from Neil is right on spot - As far as the VIN is concerned: "5": Dodge Dart
"3": High Price Car
"0': 1960
"6": Delaware production plant (Newark)
"110702": production sequence number, which began with 100,001, so your car was the 10,702nd car built at that assembly plant.
As for decoding and documentation here we have the oracle - "chrycoman" for overall Chrysler and d500Neil for Dodge - very reliable resources. I, myself is merly a novice learning slowely.
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Location: bishop, ca | On convertible tops, "1" is routinely black, and "2" is white.
There seems to be some dis-order on "3" and "4" with "3" being green, and "4" being blue.
But, either green or blue top would not ordinarily get assigned to a red car.
Your car does also have an "8", un-fortunately, for its interior color; "4" is red, and I do not know what an "8" might be.
"7" is as high as my records go, and "7" is a "Cactus"-green scheme.
So, please, by-all-means: go buy a copy of your car's IBM card copy, and let's see what else it had be put into/onto it!
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Location: Vancouver, BC | I have Black as interior colour "8" for 1960-61.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | There's a lot of the decoding that's veiled and not logical - at least it seems so to me!
I have understood that at least for Chrysler, the "Q" stands for convertible top colour, rear shelf options etc. - lets say rear compartment of the car.
Neil says " "F" is the top-color, and a "3" is GREEN colored top; a "4" would be a blue top."
Does this mean that Dodge used the "F" for the rear compartment instead as "Q" used by Chrysler?
Does this mean that Plymouth and DeSoto uses yet another letter for this?
I'm still confused but on a higher level!
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Location: Vancouver, BC | wizard - 2008-09-19 4:02 AM
There's a lot of the decoding that's veiled and not logical - at least it seems so to me!
I have understood that at least for Chrysler, the "Q" stands for convertible top colour, rear shelf options etc. - lets say rear compartment of the car.
Neil says " "F" is the top-color, and a "3" is GREEN colored top; a "4" would be a blue top."
Does this mean that Dodge used the "F" for the rear compartment instead as "Q" used by Chrysler?
Does this mean that Plymouth and DeSoto uses yet another letter for this?
I'm still confused but on a higher level!
Before 1965, the variations were actually from plant to plant. Thus Lynch Road (Plymouth) was different from Dodge (Hamtramck), but also Chrysler (Jefferson Ave) and the other plants (Newark, St.Louis, LosAngeles). And, of course, there were differences for DeSoto. 1965 was the first year all plants/makes used a common layout.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks for the explanation Bill - it's easy to understand why they finally made a common layout 1965 |
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Location: bishop, ca | Bill, I wonder if your TRM code "8" pertains to all corp models, and if so; I gotta believe that that 'black' would
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| Again; Thanks to all of you for helping out clearing all those numbers out !
I've got some more questions for you to chew on:
1. Where should I go to get an IBMcode and how do I do it?
2. All numbers are correct; could anyone post a message containing the 100% sure information, that way I know which information is still missing ?
3. Is there any kind of list containg information of how many cars there's left?
Only a moron would've bought a car being red with black interior and a green cab ?! Well we have some of them here but then we're talking Volvo and SAAB...
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Location: bishop, ca | Stephan, at the very top of this message board is a 'sticky' thread which shows you how to buy a copy of your car's
IBM-prepared build-card copy.
When you receive it, you can post it here, but, for reference purposes. On your IBM card-copy will appear a bunch of
large typed-in numbers.
Your card will have at least two "3"'s and a "2" (probably several of them, on it) , and the card will identify which options those numbers refer to.
Let's say that your IBM card has a total of five "3"'s and two "2"'s (and several other numbers) typed onto it.
Your IBM card will confirm all of your car's OEM options, but it might not show you WHICH of the "3" 's or the "2" 's are
actually shown on the car's Paint/Trim plate. THAT'S where we-all can learn something from your car, in deciding what the
P/T numbers might refer-to, based upon your IBM card's information.
Only generalizations and guesses can be made regarding how many cars might be surviving.
Back a decade or so ago, there WAS a company that would research all of the states' DMV registrations, and tell you
how many were 'on' the road.
Back then, IIRC, there were supposed to have been 184 1957 Dodge convertibles registered.
Who nows, now? obviously MORE have been restored, than totalled-out, since then, but, if a car goes into a museum, it
might/probably fall off of DMV registration.
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| Hi agin. I can´t get the IBM-prepared build-card copy of my car. Its a Dodge Dart Phoenix 1960 Cab, exported to Canada. It´s a 313 engine and powerflite. I also found out the number on the carburater: Canadien export. The car should look like a Fury 1960 interrior, plum red poly color and caktusgreen cab. If anyone know anything about those cars that exported to Canada - please let me know. Thanks for your time. //Stefan |
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Location: bishop, ca | So, Stefan, your car DID have a green-colored top? With a RED body?
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| THANKS A LOT!! We found it under the chrome and rust. We also found red/silvertread carpet. I just wonder how many cars look like this...and how many was exported to Canada. Do you know anything about this? // Stefan |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | imperial.413 - 2008-11-22 1:26 PM
Hi agin. I can´t get the IBM-prepared build-card copy of my car. Its a Dodge Dart Phoenix 1960 Cab, exported to Canada. It´s a 313 engine and powerflite. I also found out the number on the carburater: Canadien export. The car should look like a Fury 1960 interrior, plum red poly color and caktusgreen cab. If anyone know anything about those cars that exported to Canada - please let me know. Thanks for your time. //Stefan
If your car was built in the U.S. Chrysler Historical should have the build record. After all, where would they get the info the car was exported to Canada? Only the build record would have that information.
And if it was built in the U.S. it would NOT have a 313 V8, it would have a 318 V8. The 313 V8 was used only in Canadian-BUILT Plymouths and Dodges. Convertibles, for example, were imported from the U.S. from 1937 through 1962 and they all had American engines, American colours, American upholstery, American options, and even American sales codes.
Besides, your car has an American 318 V8 - the engine number tells you that. I believe it starts with "P318-" which means it is an 1960 American 318 V8 engine. A Canadian 1960 313 engine number starts with "PV" and ends with "C".
So, if that car was exported to Canada, it should be painted in American colours, have a 318 V8 engine, have a Dodge Dart instrument panel, and have Dart upholstery. The Canadian 1960 Dart brochure used American illustrations airbrushed to show the Plymouth instrument panel on all models - except the convertible. They even airbrushed a Dart Pioneer wagon (a model not sold in Canada) to show a Canadian Plymouth Sport Suburban (Fury) interior, added Matador taillamps and side trim along with 1959 "Sport Suburban" script to create a Dart Phoenix Sport Suburban wagon.
And the Canadian parts book lists all serial numbers at the beginning along with a list of the models built in the U.S. and Canada. It makes it quite clear there were situations where American cars used parts that were not the same as those built in Canada. There are no situations where an American-built car used Canadian parts.
In the case of the instrument panel, the parts book shows the Canadian-built Dart used the Plymouth panel but does not show it being used on the convertible, which was not built in Canada. The American Dart shows a different panel, the same as used on the Polara/Matador, and it does list the convertible using the same Polara/Matador unit.
Canadian-built cars with a "P" paint code, by the way, would have been painted Opal, a very pale blue. Cars painted "M" would have been painted Plum Red Metallic, the same shade as the American Plymouth. Canadian paint codes and colours prior to 1966 were not the same as in the U.S.
If the carburetor tag "29915" is actually "2991 S" the carburetor was indeed used on Canadian-built 313 engines but was the basic carb for the Power Pak option, and not an export carb. The "2291 S" was thus a 4-barrel unit, but as the intake manifold on the 313 and 318 engines was the same on American and Canadian A block engines, it would be no problem to place a Canadian spec carburetor on an American engine.
The only part to all this that surprises me is the fact the car came from Newark. Prior to Autopact Chrysler Canada sourced its imported models from Detroit, being that all models were built there and the Canadian head office in Windsor was less than a half hour drive from any Mopar Detroit assembly plant. All published Canadian model listings had the serial numbers of the cars as well. And all American numbers quoted prior to the implementation of the Autopact agreement were from Detroit plants. After Autopact they listed the numbers for the plant(s) where the models were sourced.
Should also point out Chrysler did not consider Canada an "export" market. Thus cars built in the U.S. back then and sold in Canada were just like the U.S. model. No RHD, no metric speedometers, no 'export' equipment, etc. A red 1960 Dart convertible with a red interior, 318 V8 and Torqueflite built for a customer in Wilmington, Delaware, would have looked the same as the one built for a customer in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | imperial.413 - 2008-11-22 1:26 PM Hi agin. I can´t get the IBM-prepared build-card copy of my car. Its a Dodge Dart Phoenix 1960 Cab, exported to Canada. It´s a 313 engine and powerflite. I also found out the number on the carburater: Canadien export. The car should look like a Fury 1960 interrior, plum red poly color and caktusgreen cab. If anyone know anything about those cars that exported to Canada - please let me know. Thanks for your time. //Stefan Stefan, As Bill noted, if your car was built in the USA it should NOT have a 313 engine, OR a Plymouth interior. Only the Canadian built cars came that way, all US cars shipped to Canada for sale there were identical in every respect to the same car sold in the USA.
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