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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-07-29 3:25 AM (#183048)
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One of my in-laws, both of whom are normally easy to get along with and understanding, commented that my Saratoga was a "piece of cr*p" that didn't belong in the front driveway.

Funny, but they had no problem leaving this rougher G.T.O., sitting on flats with a curtain of black widow webs underneath, in front of my brother-in-law's house for years, angering his wife, until I found them a place to stash it before they were ready to restore it.

I just love the stench of hypocrisy!

Family.....you may not always like them, but you always love them...........

K.

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mrtester
Posted 2009-07-29 4:21 AM (#183052 - in reply to #183048)
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Did they finally restore the GTO? Remind them about hypocrasy, as the Pontiac brand is about to become history.
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-07-29 4:30 AM (#183055 - in reply to #183052)
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The G.T.O. is being restored. A relative took it to his shop in Colorado.

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Posted 2009-07-29 5:18 AM (#183058 - in reply to #183048)
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That left pic could just aswell be taken at a friend of mine in Mesa, Az.
I'm sure if you put some wheelcovers on the '57 and clean the tires a bit it will a whole different look I guess.

Family... I never liked them...
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Posted 2009-07-29 5:47 AM (#183060 - in reply to #183048)
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Posted 2009-07-29 7:32 AM (#183065 - in reply to #183048)
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! And in my eyes (regardless of $ value) Your car is 10 times better than that 1970's Junk!!! That 57 Chrysler has more Class and style than a boring and common GTO ! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor..
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Posted 2009-07-29 10:23 AM (#183079 - in reply to #183048)
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Kenny,

I shot my windows out a long, long, long time ago, so I too will say what I want.

My family is huge these days and when the wife & I go to family affairs, there's always a bunch of folks that I have no idea about who they are, but they all seem to know me, so they get teased like everyone else. I'll take 'em before I toss 'em, but sometimes it's hard not to just heave some of them out the nearest window.

But, none of them have ever said anything bad about my cars & trucks. Wifey is different though.

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Posted 2009-07-29 11:05 AM (#183085 - in reply to #183048)
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seems to be now adays most people must have an some kind of affliction in their elbows or have become limp wristed . i don't think most have to worry bout their glass houses much anymore . very few have the balls to pick up those elbows or limp wrists to give it a go . me , i like HAIL STORMS but we may have to close the windows or heed to the stench of all the BULL s**tZ-----------------never leave a stone unturned , it may be the right size for throwin !-------------------later

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59CRL
Posted 2009-07-29 12:24 PM (#183088 - in reply to #183048)
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Thats alot of nerve huh?! Your car looks great, it all sounds like jealousy that all!! Your car will only be worth 3 times of what his busted up raggety GTO will be worth. Too bad he dosent like YOU keeping YOUR car in YOUR driveway, if that was me and my brother..... well let me say he would be leaving looking all tore up! I dont get along with all of my family cuz I say it how it is.... family, I dont like many of them and the love is minimal! Tell your inlaw, dont like it, TOO DAM BAD!!! I will leave it there just for you to see if you ever drive by. So there!
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Posted 2009-07-29 12:54 PM (#183092 - in reply to #183088)
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I find that if ones willing to complain about anothers choice of vehicle in his/her yard, then one needs to remember that ones GTO could be complained about and picked up by the county/city and sold for "Scrap" when one complains to the right officials...Always remember that the complaining road runs both ways.....

Welcome to the United States Of the Offended...

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d500neil
Posted 2009-07-29 6:12 PM (#183134 - in reply to #183048)
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What brand of BEER do your relative(s) drink?

Is it a NASCAR Chubbie-sponsored brew?




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Posted 2009-07-29 8:49 PM (#183160 - in reply to #183048)
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Kenny, If it will make things easier for your in-laws, you could always bring it back up here. The photographers are already missing it. M'Lisa
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Posted 2009-07-29 9:46 PM (#183166 - in reply to #183160)
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You know how first impressions tend to be lasting impressions ....

I got into finned cars in the late 70's when even a restored one was about as socially acceptable as sh-t on your shoe. My memory of finned cars were those conservative (frugal) oldtimer types around our place that still were driving their finned Lincoln or Chrysler even though they were repulsively out of style. They were Tony Bennett and soft samba in rolling road art, and I just thought they were cool. I always liked them, even when they were new, but kinda jumped on the "newest-is-best" bandwagon through the muscle car era until newest began to be less and less than the year before. Then the finned cars kinda re-took my focus for what was really cool.

But the reality was that by 1962, a finned car was akin to having the plague and by 1977, you were ridiculed at every turn for driving or even having one. THAT was my first impression, ... that I was the butt of all jokes and put one more notch in my nightstick toward being highly UNcool with the trendy crowd.

Well, I long before perfected the "fukkem" attitude, and was never troubled adding the fins to the litmus test of things to point out superficial friends and general dipsh-ts. Oh well !

Because of this, I tend to still see my cars as a major "FAW-KUE" as it relates to the public. The cool people always knew what was what, but most were just idiots.

Well, now things have changed. New cars have become so pathetic that even the disinterested drone might even be inclined to awaken from his/her fog long enough to notice that there *might* be something of interest here. Again, ... oh well. I didn't care about public opinion then, I sure don't now. At least to the group that will make some smarmy comment. Just last night I had a guy say to me as I got into the Coronet at the grocery store .. "Tell me you're gonna make her nice". I deliberately looked around the lot at all the Tupperware cars across the great expanse of pavement and then said "Looks like I have the nicest one here as it is". I could have gone on about his shockingly beautiful Toyota or some hand-to-hand over the semantics of "nice", but I don't care. I have it and he doesn't. I appreciated it when it was just an "old beater", and now it would take a new car kind of money bag to buy one. I guess that bears things out, doesn't it ?

On the flip side, I really get bent when I cannot show these cars in their best light. They don't have to be show cars - in fact, I wouldn't want mine to be show cars - but I DO want them to look like cared for, NON-beater old cars. That means washed, polished as much as condition allows, NO skinny whitewall tires .... Afterall, we are something of ambassadors to the world for these cars. Maybe that is contradictory ? But I can't let myself get so wrapped up in one side of the equation so as to ignore the reality of the other side of the coin.

So, your in-laws got sh-t fer brains ? What's new ? You have the cool car and they don't. Fukkem ! You know what's what. No one needs to pin a medal on your shirt, do they ?
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Posted 2009-07-29 10:00 PM (#183169 - in reply to #183048)
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Kenny, Reminds me of one of my favorite lines, "F'em and feed 'em hot dogs...". A Master Chief friend of mine, to his wife, when asked to go to the grocery store to pick up dinner but the kids couldn't decide what they wanted.
Hrmmm, "Your house, your car, you're gonna tell me WHAT?"
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-07-30 1:27 AM (#183185 - in reply to #183169)
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Look, I like both cars. I'm just musing about the double standard concerning leaving a car which needs work sitting in a front driveway.

I hope to get the garage cleared enough to put the Chrysler next to the Impala. But my wife and I run this household as a team and how and what we do is nobody else's business unless we're dealing drugs or running a prostitute ring or some other criminal activity.

K.
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Posted 2009-07-30 1:52 AM (#183193 - in reply to #183048)
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Irony is the word of the day with your in-laws, Kenny.

That Saratoga's got more class than the 100,000 cookie cutter GTO's made that year combined anyways.
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Posted 2009-07-30 2:52 AM (#183195 - in reply to #183048)
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That goes in the file of "things you throw down over" in-laws or not
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-08-25 9:19 PM (#186301 - in reply to #183195)
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I found the photos of the day the in-laws' G.T.O. went to my wife's uncle's shop in Colorado:



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dukeboy
Posted 2009-08-25 9:24 PM (#186302 - in reply to #186301)
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Sweet lookin' GTO, but he still don't need to be raggin' on the Chrysler...
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-08-25 9:34 PM (#186307 - in reply to #186302)
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dukeboy - 2009-08-25 6:24 PM

Sweet lookin' GTO, but he still don't need to be raggin' on the Chrysler...


For sure. The evidence of the hood fire was when my wife's cousin tried to re-jet the carb with a hand held power drill, re-installed it and tried to fire up the engine without an air cleaner.

Fortunately, the original carb was in the trunk and the only mechanical damage was the wiper motor and its harness.

K.
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Posted 2009-08-25 9:38 PM (#186309 - in reply to #186307)
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Kenny J. - 2009-08-25 9:34 PM

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Sweet lookin' GTO, but he still don't need to be raggin' on the Chrysler...


For sure. The evidence of the hood fire was when my wife's cousin tried to re-jet the carb with a hand held power drill, re-installed it and tried to fire up the engine without an air cleaner.

Fortunately, the original carb was in the trunk and the only mechanical damage was the wiper motor and its harness.

K.


Rejet the carb with a hand held drill huh?? Is this guy from Joisey??
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-08-25 10:02 PM (#186315 - in reply to #186309)
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59CRL - 2009-08-25 6:38 PM

Rejet the carb with a hand held drill huh?? Is this guy from Joisey??


Brockport, New York, just outside Rochester.

K.
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Posted 2009-08-25 10:39 PM (#186322 - in reply to #186315)
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'70 Goats are one of my favorite muscle cars. But at this point these old cars are all so old that no one should be giving anyone else crap about the car they're working on. Especially when it's a beautiful Chrysler like yours Kenny. Sheesh.
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Posted 2009-09-13 1:53 AM (#188669 - in reply to #186315)
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Kenny J. - 2009-08-25 10:02 PM

59CRL - 2009-08-25 6:38 PM

Rejet the carb with a hand held drill huh?? Is this guy from Joisey??


Brockport, New York, just outside Rochester.

K.


Close enough. But it doesn't even look like an underhood fire, just well-worn paint and surface rust. Typical for a desert-dweller car, but it's the easiest to work with during restoration.




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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-09-15 2:05 AM (#188908 - in reply to #188669)
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mrtester - 2009-09-12 10:53 PM

Close enough. But it doesn't even look like an underhood fire, just well-worn paint and surface rust. Typical for a desert-dweller car, but it's the easiest to work with during restoration.






You are correct about desert cars, Bernie. But in this case, there was an underhood fire which burnt the paint off the center of the hood. The fire also destroyed part of the wiring harness and the wiper motor. I was there a day after the fire. I also went looking for a replacement wiper motor for my father-in-law and found one at a salvage yard on a 110 degree day.

The kid thought he'd surprise his uncle (my father-in-law) by doing some modifications to the car to "make it faster." Desert dwellers such myself and some of my wife's other relatives tried to tell this (at the time) recent transplant from Upstate New York that you NEVER drive a car in dusty areas without an air cleaner. He was convinced driving without an air cleaner "added ten percent more horsepower."

The only good thing about the fire was that it convinced my wife's parents to keep the car away from their nephew.

Oh, and the neighbor saw him bent over the hood with the hand drill, "jetting" the carburetor. I don't think the kid would have admitted what he did, had not the neighbor "tattled."

But to prove I am not disagreeing with you about desert cars, here's a 2005 photo of one of my wagons, fresh from sitting in San Bernadino County, California for decades. And this car never had an underhood fire.

K.



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59CRL
Posted 2009-09-15 11:34 AM (#188927 - in reply to #188908)
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Kenny J. - 2009-09-15 2:05 AM

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Close enough. But it doesn't even look like an underhood fire, just well-worn paint and surface rust. Typical for a desert-dweller car, but it's the easiest to work with during restoration.






You are correct about desert cars, Bernie. But in this case, there was an underhood fire which burnt the paint off the center of the hood. The fire also destroyed part of the wiring harness and the wiper motor. I was there a day after the fire. I also went looking for a replacement wiper motor for my father-in-law and found one at a salvage yard on a 110 degree day.

The kid thought he'd surprise his uncle (my father-in-law) by doing some modifications to the car to "make it faster." Desert dwellers such myself and some of my wife's other relatives tried to tell this (at the time) recent transplant from Upstate New York that you NEVER drive a car in dusty areas without an air cleaner. He was convinced driving without an air cleaner "added ten percent more horsepower."

The only good thing about the fire was that it convinced my wife's parents to keep the car away from their nephew.

Oh, and the neighbor saw him bent over the hood with the hand drill, "jetting" the carburetor. I don't think the kid would have admitted what he did, had not the neighbor "tattled."

But to prove I am not disagreeing with you about desert cars, here's a 2005 photo of one of my wagons, fresh from sitting in San Bernadino County, California for decades. And this car never had an underhood fire.

K.


Nice looking 59, yeah you dont have to worry about rust when you find a desert car.... might not have much paint left buts thats easier than a rotted body. Hey tell Vinnie to return my hand drill, Rocco needs it to open a bottle of red wine
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Posted 2009-09-15 2:38 PM (#188944 - in reply to #188927)
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The 'deal' is: East coast cars have good rubber (like trunk mats) and soft trim pieces, and glass, but no rustable body panels.

Desert/SoWest cars have great steel/metal-pieces, but fugggedabout any things that suffer from prolonged sun-heat exposure.






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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-09-15 5:24 PM (#188978 - in reply to #188927)
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59CRL - 2009-09-15 8:34 AM

Hey tell Vinnie to return my hand drill, Rocco needs it to open a bottle of red wine ;)


George's ethnic heritage is 100% German.................however, his oldest sister wishes she was Italian. But that's another story.

K.
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Posted 2009-09-15 5:25 PM (#188980 - in reply to #183048)
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There's Northern German, and Southern German; different 'animals'.





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Posted 2009-09-15 5:36 PM (#188982 - in reply to #188980)
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d500neil - 2009-09-15 5:25 PM

There's Northern German, and Southern German; different 'animals'.


Kind of like North Joisey and South Joisey..... no mafia in south Joisey...
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Kenny J.
Posted 2009-09-15 5:36 PM (#188983 - in reply to #188980)
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Their family is from the Frankfurt area, as were my maternal grandparents.

I once amazed my wife by taking a brittle dome light lens out of my '59 Impala (the one from Phoenix), and using my hand to crumble the lens into dust.

K.
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Posted 2009-09-15 5:59 PM (#188987 - in reply to #188944)
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d500neil - 2009-09-15 2:38 PM The 'deal' is: East coast cars have good rubber (like trunk mats) and soft trim pieces, and glass, but no rustable body panels. Desert/SoWest cars have great steel/metal-pieces, but fugggedabout any things that suffer from prolonged sun-heat exposure.

I can testify to this Neil.  I have sold/traded weatherstripping on 50 yr old cars that were rusted SLAM OUT.  But the rubber was still very plyable.

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Posted 2009-09-15 7:01 PM (#189000 - in reply to #188987)
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I have sold/traded weatherstripping on 50 yr old cars that were rusted SLAM OUT.  But the rubber was still very plyable.



Wow. Can you find me a windshield gasket for a '59 Plymouth wagon, Larry?

K.
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Posted 2009-09-15 8:26 PM (#189012 - in reply to #183048)
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I just traded yours to Big M, for his wagon. Donnie has a couple of these sedans Kenny. I know 2 of them came from the east coast. He should not need them, he isn't restoring sedans right now. PM Donnie about it.
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Posted 2009-09-15 8:31 PM (#189015 - in reply to #183048)
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Maybe people out west should start watering their cars.
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Posted 2009-09-15 8:44 PM (#189019 - in reply to #189015)
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Water you talking about, Larry?
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Posted 2009-09-15 9:21 PM (#189028 - in reply to #183048)
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