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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Anyone help decode an Imperial data tag? Known details: 1958 Crown coupe, black exterior, red leather, pw, pl, ps, flightsweep trunk, non-AC. Don (58ImpDataPlta.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58ImpDataPlta.jpg (103KB - 213 downloads) | ||
Phil_the_frenchie |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 916 Location: Pau, S-W France | On my page !! http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3894 Location: Northen Virginia | Never saw the upholstery trim selector of the Imperial before, TXS Phil, but i can imagine that some options came in "packages" becuase some options are in my car and not in the vin. I also have a D6 in my plate. Edited by hemidenis 2009-08-21 2:35 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | And, interesting, but not necessarily surprising, is that "undercoating" was apparently a standard item on the IMP's. Really interesting, however, is the alpha-numeric coding on their P/T plates. On Dodges, you can not 'take' a three-digit number off of the P/T plate (like, e.g.: "345") and translate/reference that number ("345") directly 'onto' either the Broadcast or IBM card's option codes. Edited by d500neil 2009-08-21 3:25 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | The car being a Crown, some options on the "Custom" LY1-L were standard items on the Crown, like power windows or power seats. Mine, which is a "Custom" LY1-L, has those options stamped on the dataplate. I would image that those standard items were not stamped on the dataplate, what the dataplate here appears to show. Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-21 4:27 PM | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Thanks Phil!! You sure made this easy with your website. From what I can tell from your chart, my p/t plate decodes as follows: Model 632 2 door hardtop Crown Schedule 0129 Jan 29th Paint AAA Raven Black Trim 087 Leather Red 304 Power windows 307 Electric door locks 365 Electric clock 345 Heater-Custom conditionaire 467 Solex glass 445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna 394 Defogger It does have the power seat but I can't find "303" listed. Also don't know which code is for flightsweep trunk. I'll get pictures of my other Imperials and maybe I can deduct from them and figure it out. Don | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-21 3:25 PM The car being a Crown, some options on the "Custom" LY1-L were standard items on the Crown, like power windows or power seats. Mine, which is a "Custom" LY1-L, has those options stamped on the dataplate. I would image that those standard items were not stamped on the dataplate, what the dataplate here appears to show. the first column does faintly have a 4 stamped to make the '304' option for power windows. Might explain mirrors not being listed. I don't know what else was actually standard on Crown's or what were options Don | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | According to the litterature, the following items were standard on Crowns: - power windows - 6-way power front seat - visor vanity mirror - inside tilt-type rear view mirror - license plate frame (rear) - outside rear view mirror To those items, the Crown had what was standard on the LY1-L - TorqueFlite automatic transmission - Constant-Control power steering - Safety Cushion instrument panel - Back-up lights - Directional signals - Windshield washer - Electric Clock (this one is weird because all dataplates I've seen seem to have the code for it). - Factory undercoating and hood insulating pad - Dual headlamps The LeBaron had in addition: - White Sidewall tires (rayon) Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-21 5:06 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Thanks Imp58Alpes for the extra info on the options. I think I was looking too hard to find that p/w option. It really looked like there was a faint number there, maybe it's just dirt/paint? I got the tags photographed from my other Imperials and the best I could decode from Phil's website. Don | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Model 633 LY1-M "Crown" 4 dr sedan Schedule 0611 June 11th Paint TTT Garnet Maroon Poly Trim 090 "Monaco" Tan 307 Electric door locks 365 Electric clock 342 A/C, Deluxe, dual 467 Solex glass 562 Solid color 445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna (Imperial2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Imperial2.jpg (58KB - 217 downloads) | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | non-flightsweep car. does not have the 365 option stamped but does in fact have an electric clock. Model 612 LY1-L 2 dr HT Schedule 0117 Jan 17th Paint NNN Sandalwood Poly Trim 056 "Diamond Glow" Tan 304 Power windows 303 6 way power front seat 345 Heater-Custom conditionaire 467 Solex glass 445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna Edited by KcImperial 2009-08-21 5:57 PM (Imperial3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Imperial3.jpg (61KB - 222 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | The AC line was in the way so this one is two pictures. It looks like a 406 code, didn't see that one on the list Model 613 LY1-L 4 dr sedan Schedule 1021 Oct 21st Paint WWW Ballet Blue Trim 050 50 "Diamond Glow" Blue 304 Power windows 303 6 way power front seat 307 Electric door locks 365 Electric clock 345 Heater-Custom conditionaire 342 A/C, Deluxe, dual 406 ??? 467 Solex glass 445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna Edited by KcImperial 2009-08-21 5:52 PM (Imperial4a.jpg) (Imperial4b.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Imperial4a.jpg (69KB - 201 downloads) Imperial4b.jpg (63KB - 216 downloads) | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3894 Location: Northen Virginia | Some differences between 57 and 58 for example: clock, power windows, power antenna, power seat is not marked on my VIN but part of the equipment. | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3894 Location: Northen Virginia | KC can you add some pics of the rear AC vents?, never saw one before | ||
KcImperial |
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | hemidenis - 2009-08-21 5:00 PM KC can you add some pics of the rear AC vents?, never saw one before Here's some quick pics for you. Don (rearAC1.jpg) (rearAC2.jpg) (rearAC3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- rearAC1.jpg (56KB - 215 downloads) rearAC2.jpg (83KB - 219 downloads) rearAC3.jpg (57KB - 220 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 916 Location: Pau, S-W France | Please note that the codes i provide came from Chrysler (thanks to Wayne Graefen and his 300C handbook !) and not exclusively Imperial, this explain why there are maybe some errors : all 57/58 Imperial had electric clock so 365 is maybe another option. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | KcImperial - 2009-08-21 11:48 PM The AC line was in the way so this one is two pictures. It looks like a 406 code, didn't see that one on the list 406 = Accessory Package "A" (tilt-type rearview mirror + vanity mirror + rear license plate frame). Source: Chrysler Historical Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-22 5:57 AM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | KcImperial - 2009-08-21 11:46 PM non-flightsweep car. does not have the 365 option stamped but does in fact have an electric clock. Simple guess: would 365 be the flitesweep decklid? Mine has no 365 option and is non-flitesweep decklid car. Your LY1-L #10626 has not the option code and doesn't have the flitesweep decklid. Your LY1-M #11376 has the option code and has the flitesweep decklid. What about your LY1-M #16065 that has the option code 365, and your LY1-L #0332? that has the option code 365? Are they both flitesweep decklid cars? That could give us a clue about that option code. My car and your #10626 & #11376 cars seem to confirm that. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Simple guess: would 365 be the flitesweep decklid? Mine has no 365 option and is non-flitesweep decklid car. Your LY1-L #10626 has not the option code and doesn't have the flitesweep decklid. Your LY1-M #11376 has the option code and has the flitesweep decklid. What about your LY1-M #16065 that has the option code 365, and your LY1-L #0332? that has the option code 365? Are they both flitesweep decklid cars? That could give us a clue about that option code. My car and your #10626 & #11376 cars seem to confirm that. Makes perfect sense to me. My LY1-M #16065 is the only one I have without a flightsweep trunk and it's the only one without code 365. If yours is the same then this should confirm 365 is for flightsweep trunk and not electric clock. Strange calling them by numbers. My cars are all different colors so I think about them by black, tan, maroon, and blue. Don | ||
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Expert Posts: 3894 Location: Northen Virginia | Txs for the pics Don. | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | I was focusing on the dataplates, so ... Mine is like yours : no 365 option code, and no fake spare tire cover. Here's my dataplate: (aafs.jpg) Attachments ---------------- aafs.jpg (19KB - 208 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-22 11:26 AM I was focusing on the dataplates, so ... Mine is like yours : no 365 option code, and no fake spare tire cover. Here's my dataplate: Looks like a nicely optioned Custom. I think we're in the right direction with the 365 for flightsweep trunk. Do you have any ideas what 306 is for? None of mine have that code. Maybe something related to yours being export? Don | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | You're correct. 306 is for the 260-kph speedometer. (kph.JPG) Attachments ---------------- kph.JPG (50KB - 211 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | But, are the 3-digit codes, on the IMP's P/T plates, the same as the option codes on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM cards? | ||
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Expert Posts: 2490 Location: Kansas City, KS | Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-22 12:29 PM You're correct. 306 is for the 260-kph speedometer. Now that's pretty! (or, insert masculine adjective instead). Would like to have a KPH speedometer in my car to scare passengers with top speed. Neil, you got any '58 Imperial broadcast sheets laying around for us to compare? I've never found any in my cars. Would they be behind the glove box or under the back seat? Don | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 916 Location: Pau, S-W France | d500neil - 2009-08-22 8:41 PM But, are the 3-digit codes, on the IMP's P/T plates, the same as the option codes on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM cards? Yes, you can compare my microfiche http://www.ch300imp.com/chs_us.htm with my data plate (first pic on http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm). Seems that the data plate was stamped from info of the microfiche | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Don: no, unfortunately. Phil: you Imperialists are lucky that there is a direct translation of P/T plate numbers to/from the Broadcast Sheet/IBM card's option codings. Because the IMP dashes should have been assembled and painted in an area away from the body panels, there ought to be Broadcast Sheets taped to the rear-sides of the completed dashes, so that when the dashes arrived onto the assembly line, a Supervisor could easily confirm that 'this' dash belonged with 'that' body. Maybe the IMP-supervisors were more fastidious, than were the lesser-car inspectors, in ensuring that the B. Sheets were DISCARDED when the dashes were installed, rather than to allow the B Sheets to accompany the car, throughout its service life......hiding up/behind the glove box area. Also, on some lesser-cars, other B. Sheets have been found, lying under the carpeting, after they were 'negligently' discarded there, by another Line Supervisor, after he had used that sheet to confirm that 'this' car's paint/trim was effected in accordance with specifications. In 1960, B. Sheets were first put under the rear seats, in Dodges. Edited by d500neil 2009-08-24 7:12 PM | ||
hemidenis |
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Expert Posts: 3894 Location: Northen Virginia | Same for 61 Chryslers, under the seat | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | I just received my Build Sheet from Chrysler for my 1958 Imperial Unfortunately, its top is almost unreadable ... (can't read the 2nd line, just below the stamped codes for trim, paint etc). Strangely (interestingly?), no ship date and no dealer info (my car is an export). Born November 11th, 1957 @ Detroit (and licensed in France December, 24th 1957 - quite fast in fact). Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-23 12:57 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Frederic, you are in luck, as the Imperial Club posted a decyphering-example which is shown as/on that 'Sticky' message at the top of this message board, and, there is a link directly to the Imperial Club, for more information on your car's particular build, which happens (typically!) to be illegible, on your car's IBM build card copy. Can you post an image of it, here? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | Here it is. I tried to enhance it, but the little figures below the first row of stamped codes are unreadable Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-24 4:26 AM (BuildSheetImperial.jpg) Attachments ---------------- BuildSheetImperial.jpg (203KB - 220 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Wish we could sit down, over some drinks, and look at your card, at length, but, Fred, I don't see any "Dealer Reference number" coding for your car; was it somehow/someway special ordered or built or delivered? Frederic, do you recognize these numbers, as being a portion of your car's VIN: 3801005248???? Edited by d500neil 2009-09-25 6:39 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | Yes. My car is a SO/FO car (0127). 05248 is its VIN LY1-05248. Below, the stamped codes, followed by the punch holes reading. They read from left to right. Find below my findings ... (I wish it was more readable to fully decode it !!!). Note that everything that I decoded matches the info on the dataplate and what's on the car. Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-26 11:37 AM (StampedCodes.jpg) (Holes.jpg) (HolesDecoding1.jpg) (HolesDecoding2B.jpg) Attachments ---------------- StampedCodes.jpg (10KB - 221 downloads) Holes.jpg (13KB - 227 downloads) HolesDecoding1.jpg (33KB - 221 downloads) HolesDecoding2B.jpg (71KB - 203 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted, above. If you'll look, there actually is an "A" line, at the very top row of the punch outs, which corresponds to your car's paint job :"AAA" (and which letters align above the "PAINT" columns, at the bottom of the punch card, although the first and the third "A" appear directly over a lower "1" in those "Paint" columns. The mysterious ("apparent"!) punch-out, above the "8" is located beneath the "A" row-line, which would imply that that (lower-) row-line might be a "B" row-line. I don't see any "B's" on your card, and, there are no other punch-outs along that ("B") row-line. I find that it is interesting, that your car's VIN is not hand-written, or stamped, onto the IBM card. So, your car was not sent to a domestic dealership, and therefore, has no dealership codings on it. OK; the box that has your "0127" coding says :"Special Order/Foreign Order/Sales Bank"---wouldn't it be neat to break down ALL the various codings that go into THIS box?????? OK (ii): the mysterious "38010" is your car's "Body Number"---whatever THAT means, as far as Imperials are concerned-------this is an example of the fact that, while someone might 'break-down' a car's P-T plate/Broadcast Sheet/IBM Card's numbers ; he does NOT necessarily know how to INTERPRET what those numbers might mean (like, your car's "0127", or its Body Code 38010)! Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 8:09 PM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | ...I was just looking at the Imperial card-example, on this Board's Sticky messages, for any assistance, in Re: your car--didn't really find any, regarding your "6339" coding, but, that card has only one punch-out, above the "0" row-line, which would be an "A" code, but, that example does not know what that 3/4 digit grouping might identify (which includes that "A" appearing directly over a "4" in the same column). Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 7:20 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2009-09-26 4:03 PM Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted, above. If you'll look, there actually is an "A" line, at the very top row of the punch outs, which corresponds to your car's paint job :"AAA" (and which letters align above the "PAINT" columns, at the bottom of the punch card, although the first and the third "A" appear directly over a lower "1" in those "Paint" columns. The mysterious ("apparent"!) punch-out, above the "8" is located beneath the "A" row-line, which would imply that that (lower-) row-line might be a "B" row-line. I don't see any "B's" on your card, and, there are no other punch-outs along that ("B") row-line. I find that it is interesting, that your car's VIN is not hand-written, or stamped, onto the IBM card. So, your car was not sent to a domestic dealership, and therefore, has no dealership codings on it. OK; the box that has your "0127" coding says :"Special Order/Foreign Order/Sales Bank"---wouldn't it be neat to break down ALL the various codings that go into THIS box?????? OK (ii): the mysterious "38010" is your car's "Body Number"---whatever THAT means, as far as Imperials are concerned-------this is an example of the fact that, while someone might 'break-down' a car's P-T plate/Broadcast Sheet/IBM Card's numbers ; he does NOT necessarily know how to INTERPRET what those numbers might mean (like, your car's "0127", or its Body Code 38010)! The car's VIN is both printed and stamped into the card. Look at the right side of the card, top, just below the line of column numbers. The last blank has the VIN - you can see the "LY1" printed but the rest is not too clear. Now go to the bottom of the card. Check the second block from the right. The VIN is stamped out in that block with the numeric section having two zeros punched at the beginning. The data tag has one zero. | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Bill, I KNOW that the VIN is punched out (that's how I figured out the Body-and-VIN numbers, above), but, I had not noticed the fine-printing-out of the VIN---not that I could have read it--lolol--at the upper right corner area of the IBM card. On Dodges, the VIN is hand-stamped prominently across the middle of the card, as is the car's engine number. Just had a brain-fart; though: I realized that I hadn't accounted for the car's engine number (again, on Dodge's, it is stamped-out); I thought that "6339" might just be the 'Motor Number'..... Nuts; the card says that the engine number is "4914", but, I can not see/find any punch-outs that would correspond with "4919", and/but, the "6339" remains un-identified. Bill: go find the engine number punch-out; I can't (if it's not "6339") !! Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 8:07 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | d500neil - 2009-09-27 1:03 AM Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted, above. Nope ... I do not agree. The 8 is below the 1st 0, and the "above line" is over the 3 (see attachement). On the top left, where the card is cut, the field says Motor. It's made of 4 digits. First has been cut, same for second. Third says 3. 4th appears to be a 8 or a 9 (but here I think it's the engine reference, not the engine number - again, a supposition). As for the 6339 at the end, I think it should be read as 633 / 9 since the are 2 subfields in the legend on the bottom. OBS : on the paper copy, the 05248 is readable on the top right corner. Is my build sheet the first export car build sheet we're working on ? About the SO/FO : what I can say is that 0127 is not a date (not January 27th, since the car was born Nov 11th). (BuildSheet-2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- BuildSheet-2.jpg (169KB - 263 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Alright; the Body code may, in fact, be 6-digits long; that would make your BDY coding: 830100. Although how THAT number breaks-down; I dunno! I also have no clue what that "B" might confirm; but, you are saying that that row of "A's", above the "Paint" box might be merely smudges, and not punch outs? In that case, your car's White paint would simply be coded as :"1-1" , with no digit appearing between the "1's" , even though the Paint box is set up to have 3 digit codings in it. On Dodges, the far left-upper box contains the "Shipping Order Number", regardless whether a car was "Special Ordered" (like your car was)---Dodges, too, have a dedicated box on the upper line of boxes, for a "Special Ordered" car to be recorded there. I'll bet (not much, though) that the numbers appearing at the far upper left of your IBM card contain its "Shipping" information. As Imperials only came with one engine, I believe that there might not even BE a "Power Plants" option box, anywhere on your IBM card. BTW, as I previously mentioned (as one of the many differences between the various marques', on their IBM card copies) your car has its VIN printed out on the IBM card; Dodges had both the VIN and the engine number be hand-ink-stamped onto the IBM card. Edited by d500neil 2009-09-28 6:23 PM | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | The AAA paint code means a black car - the are 3 punch holes 111. Would A = 1 ? I wonder how the letter paint codes translate into digits ... Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-29 4:04 AM | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | In the specimen example, in this board's Sticky message, the "C57-" car has paint of "X" , which translates (-punches out) to :"07_" on the IBM card , with NO punch-out appearing on the card, AFTER the second-digit ["7"]... So, your car's paint "AAA" may translate [punch-out] to :"1_1", with no digit appearing in the middle of the three spaces- available, in/on the PAINT code-box, at the bottom of the IBM card. Are those (very-uniform appearing) smudges, or actual punch-outs, at the uppermost line on your 'card', above the PAINT code-box??? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2009-10-01 5:25 PM In the specimen example, in this board's Sticky message, the "C57-" car has paint of "X" , which translates (-punches out) to :"07_" on the IBM card , with NO punch-out appearing on the card, AFTER the second-digit ["7"]... So, your car's paint "AAA" may translate [punch-out] to :"1_1", with no digit appearing in the middle of the three spaces- available, in/on the PAINT code-box, at the bottom of the IBM card. Are those (very-uniform appearing) smudges, or actual punch-outs, at the uppermost line on your 'card', above the PAINT code-box??? There is a "1" punched out between the two "1"s for the paint code. Look very, very closely - it is there. That "white-out" streak covers most of the punch but you can see it just to the left of the streak. And, yes, those three "smudges" are really three punches. The odds of having three smudges, exactly the same shape, shaped exactly like a punch hole, spaced exactly the same distance apart, and located exactly where three punches would appear, is about as likely as Chrysler putting the 1958 Imperial back into production next Tuesday. Remember, the owner of the car can see exactly the same things as we can. He does not have the original card, only a photocopy of the microfilm image of the card. | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | YUP, there 'tis! So, what would be the significance of the three punch outs, on the putative "A" line, in regards to paint scheme "111" which happens to refer to the black paint scheme (AAA)? Or, that "B" line punch out, above that "3" , in the "Body Number" box? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 558 Location: Grenoble - France | I think here we can only hope for others to display there punch cards, in order to help in the deciphering of those lines ... | ||
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