The Forward Look Network
The Forward Look Network
Search | Statistics | User Listing Forums | Chat | eBay | Calendars | Albums | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )

58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [50 messages per page]
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Forward Look Technical Discussions -> Fender/VIN Tag and Broadcast Sheet DecodingMessage format
 
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 12:58 AM (#185818)
Subject: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Anyone help decode an Imperial data tag?

Known details: 1958 Crown coupe, black exterior, red leather, pw, pl, ps, flightsweep trunk, non-AC.

Don





(58ImpDataPlta.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments 58ImpDataPlta.jpg (103KB - 213 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Phil_the_frenchie
Posted 2009-08-21 4:49 AM (#185828 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Elite Veteran

Posts: 916
500100100100100
Location: Pau, S-W France
On my page !!
http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hemidenis
Posted 2009-08-21 2:18 PM (#185854 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 3894
20001000500100100100252525
Location: Northen Virginia
Never saw the upholstery trim selector of the Imperial before, TXS Phil, but i can imagine that some options came in "packages" becuase some options are in my car and not in the vin.
I also have a D6 in my plate.

Edited by hemidenis 2009-08-21 2:35 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-08-21 3:17 PM (#185860 - in reply to #185854)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
And, interesting, but not necessarily surprising, is that "undercoating" was apparently a standard item on the IMP's.

Really interesting, however, is the alpha-numeric coding on their P/T plates.

On Dodges, you can not 'take' a three-digit number off of the P/T plate (like, e.g.: "345") and
translate/reference that number ("345") directly 'onto' either the Broadcast or IBM card's option codes.









Edited by d500neil 2009-08-21 3:25 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-21 4:25 PM (#185870 - in reply to #185854)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
The car being a Crown, some options on the "Custom" LY1-L were standard items on the Crown, like power windows or power seats. Mine, which is a "Custom" LY1-L, has those options stamped on the dataplate. I would image that those standard items were not stamped on the dataplate, what the dataplate here appears to show.

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-21 4:27 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 4:46 PM (#185875 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Thanks Phil!! You sure made this easy with your website. From what I can tell from your chart, my p/t plate decodes as follows:

Model 632 2 door hardtop Crown
Schedule 0129 Jan 29th
Paint AAA Raven Black
Trim 087 Leather Red

304 Power windows
307 Electric door locks
365 Electric clock
345 Heater-Custom conditionaire
467 Solex glass
445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna
394 Defogger

It does have the power seat but I can't find "303" listed. Also don't know which code is for flightsweep trunk. I'll get pictures of my other Imperials and maybe I can deduct from them and figure it out.

Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 4:53 PM (#185876 - in reply to #185870)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-21 3:25 PM

The car being a Crown, some options on the "Custom" LY1-L were standard items on the Crown, like power windows or power seats. Mine, which is a "Custom" LY1-L, has those options stamped on the dataplate. I would image that those standard items were not stamped on the dataplate, what the dataplate here appears to show.


the first column does faintly have a 4 stamped to make the '304' option for power windows. Might explain mirrors not being listed. I don't know what else was actually standard on Crown's or what were options

Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-21 5:04 PM (#185879 - in reply to #185876)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
According to the litterature, the following items were standard on Crowns:
- power windows
- 6-way power front seat
- visor vanity mirror
- inside tilt-type rear view mirror
- license plate frame (rear)
- outside rear view mirror

To those items, the Crown had what was standard on the LY1-L
- TorqueFlite automatic transmission
- Constant-Control power steering
- Safety Cushion instrument panel
- Back-up lights
- Directional signals
- Windshield washer
- Electric Clock (this one is weird because all dataplates I've seen seem to have the code for it).
- Factory undercoating and hood insulating pad
- Dual headlamps

The LeBaron had in addition:
- White Sidewall tires (rayon)

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-21 5:06 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 5:44 PM (#185883 - in reply to #185879)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Thanks Imp58Alpes for the extra info on the options. I think I was looking too hard to find that p/w option. It really looked like there was a faint number there, maybe it's just dirt/paint?

I got the tags photographed from my other Imperials and the best I could decode from Phil's website.
Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 5:45 PM (#185884 - in reply to #185883)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Model 633 LY1-M "Crown" 4 dr sedan
Schedule 0611 June 11th
Paint TTT Garnet Maroon Poly
Trim 090 "Monaco" Tan

307 Electric door locks
365 Electric clock
342 A/C, Deluxe, dual
467 Solex glass
562 Solid color
445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna





(Imperial2.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments Imperial2.jpg (58KB - 217 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 5:46 PM (#185886 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
non-flightsweep car.
does not have the 365 option stamped but does in fact have an electric clock.

Model 612 LY1-L 2 dr HT
Schedule 0117 Jan 17th
Paint NNN Sandalwood Poly
Trim 056 "Diamond Glow" Tan

304 Power windows
303 6 way power front seat
345 Heater-Custom conditionaire
467 Solex glass
445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna

Edited by KcImperial 2009-08-21 5:57 PM




(Imperial3.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments Imperial3.jpg (61KB - 222 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 5:48 PM (#185887 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
The AC line was in the way so this one is two pictures. It looks like a 406 code, didn't see that one on the list

Model 613 LY1-L 4 dr sedan
Schedule 1021 Oct 21st
Paint WWW Ballet Blue
Trim 050 50 "Diamond Glow" Blue

304 Power windows
303 6 way power front seat
307 Electric door locks
365 Electric clock
345 Heater-Custom conditionaire
342 A/C, Deluxe, dual
406 ???
467 Solex glass
445 Electro-Touch radio w/ pw antenna



Edited by KcImperial 2009-08-21 5:52 PM




(Imperial4a.jpg)



(Imperial4b.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments Imperial4a.jpg (69KB - 201 downloads)
Attachments Imperial4b.jpg (63KB - 216 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hemidenis
Posted 2009-08-21 5:54 PM (#185889 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 3894
20001000500100100100252525
Location: Northen Virginia
Some differences between 57 and 58 for example: clock, power windows, power antenna, power seat is not marked on my VIN but part of the equipment.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hemidenis
Posted 2009-08-21 6:00 PM (#185890 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 3894
20001000500100100100252525
Location: Northen Virginia
KC can you add some pics of the rear AC vents?, never saw one before
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-21 6:37 PM (#185895 - in reply to #185890)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
hemidenis - 2009-08-21 5:00 PM

KC can you add some pics of the rear AC vents?, never saw one before

Here's some quick pics for you.
Don



(rearAC1.jpg)



(rearAC2.jpg)



(rearAC3.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments rearAC1.jpg (56KB - 215 downloads)
Attachments rearAC2.jpg (83KB - 219 downloads)
Attachments rearAC3.jpg (57KB - 220 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Phil_the_frenchie
Posted 2009-08-21 6:38 PM (#185896 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Elite Veteran

Posts: 916
500100100100100
Location: Pau, S-W France
Please note that the codes i provide came from Chrysler (thanks to Wayne Graefen and his 300C handbook !) and not exclusively Imperial, this explain why there are maybe some errors : all 57/58 Imperial had electric clock so 365 is maybe another option.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-22 5:56 AM (#185929 - in reply to #185887)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
KcImperial - 2009-08-21 11:48 PM

The AC line was in the way so this one is two pictures. It looks like a 406 code, didn't see that one on the list


406 = Accessory Package "A" (tilt-type rearview mirror + vanity mirror + rear license plate frame).
Source: Chrysler Historical

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-08-22 5:57 AM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-22 6:09 AM (#185931 - in reply to #185886)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
KcImperial - 2009-08-21 11:46 PM

non-flightsweep car.
does not have the 365 option stamped but does in fact have an electric clock.


Simple guess: would 365 be the flitesweep decklid?
Mine has no 365 option and is non-flitesweep decklid car.
Your LY1-L #10626 has not the option code and doesn't have the flitesweep decklid.
Your LY1-M #11376 has the option code and has the flitesweep decklid.

What about your LY1-M #16065 that has the option code 365, and your LY1-L #0332? that has the option code 365? Are they both flitesweep decklid cars?

That could give us a clue about that option code. My car and your #10626 & #11376 cars seem to confirm that.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-22 10:45 AM (#185942 - in reply to #185931)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Simple guess: would 365 be the flitesweep decklid?
Mine has no 365 option and is non-flitesweep decklid car.
Your LY1-L #10626 has not the option code and doesn't have the flitesweep decklid.
Your LY1-M #11376 has the option code and has the flitesweep decklid.

What about your LY1-M #16065 that has the option code 365, and your LY1-L #0332? that has the option code 365? Are they both flitesweep decklid cars?

That could give us a clue about that option code. My car and your #10626 & #11376 cars seem to confirm that.


Makes perfect sense to me. My LY1-M #16065 is the only one I have without a flightsweep trunk and it's the only one without code 365. If yours is the same then this should confirm 365 is for flightsweep trunk and not electric clock.

Strange calling them by numbers. My cars are all different colors so I think about them by black, tan, maroon, and blue.
Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hemidenis
Posted 2009-08-22 12:21 PM (#185943 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 3894
20001000500100100100252525
Location: Northen Virginia
Txs for the pics Don.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-22 12:26 PM (#185945 - in reply to #185942)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
I was focusing on the dataplates, so ...

Mine is like yours : no 365 option code, and no fake spare tire cover.

Here's my dataplate:



(aafs.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments aafs.jpg (19KB - 208 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-22 1:22 PM (#185950 - in reply to #185945)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-22 11:26 AM

I was focusing on the dataplates, so ...

Mine is like yours : no 365 option code, and no fake spare tire cover.

Here's my dataplate:


Looks like a nicely optioned Custom. I think we're in the right direction with the 365 for flightsweep trunk.

Do you have any ideas what 306 is for? None of mine have that code. Maybe something related to yours being export?

Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-08-22 1:29 PM (#185951 - in reply to #185950)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
You're correct. 306 is for the 260-kph speedometer.




(kph.JPG)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments kph.JPG (50KB - 211 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-08-22 2:41 PM (#185958 - in reply to #185951)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
But, are the 3-digit codes, on the IMP's P/T plates, the same as the option codes on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM cards?





Top of the page Bottom of the page
KcImperial
Posted 2009-08-22 3:01 PM (#185965 - in reply to #185951)
Subject: RE: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 2490
2000100100100100252525
Location: Kansas City, KS
Imp58Alpes - 2009-08-22 12:29 PM

You're correct. 306 is for the 260-kph speedometer.


Now that's pretty! (or, insert masculine adjective instead). Would like to have a KPH speedometer in my car to scare passengers with top speed.

Neil, you got any '58 Imperial broadcast sheets laying around for us to compare? I've never found any in my cars. Would they be behind the glove box or under the back seat?

Don
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Phil_the_frenchie
Posted 2009-08-23 4:16 AM (#186010 - in reply to #185958)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Elite Veteran

Posts: 916
500100100100100
Location: Pau, S-W France
d500neil - 2009-08-22 8:41 PM

But, are the 3-digit codes, on the IMP's P/T plates, the same as the option codes on the Broadcast Sheets and IBM cards?


Yes, you can compare my microfiche http://www.ch300imp.com/chs_us.htm with my data plate (first pic on http://www.ch300imp.com/dataplat_us.htm). Seems that the data plate was stamped from info of the microfiche
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-08-24 7:02 PM (#186161 - in reply to #186010)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Don: no, unfortunately. Phil: you Imperialists are lucky that there is a direct translation of P/T plate numbers to/from
the Broadcast Sheet/IBM card's option codings.

Because the IMP dashes should have been assembled and painted in an area away from the body
panels, there ought to be Broadcast Sheets taped to the rear-sides of the completed dashes,
so that when the dashes arrived onto the assembly line, a Supervisor could easily confirm that
'this' dash belonged with 'that' body.

Maybe the IMP-supervisors were more fastidious, than were the lesser-car inspectors, in ensuring
that the B. Sheets were DISCARDED when the dashes were installed, rather than to allow the B Sheets
to accompany the car, throughout its service life......hiding up/behind the glove box area.

Also, on some lesser-cars, other B. Sheets have been found, lying under the carpeting, after they
were 'negligently' discarded there, by another Line Supervisor, after he had used that sheet to confirm
that 'this' car's paint/trim was effected in accordance with specifications.

In 1960, B. Sheets were first put under the rear seats, in Dodges.



















Edited by d500neil 2009-08-24 7:12 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hemidenis
Posted 2009-08-24 11:24 PM (#186200 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 3894
20001000500100100100252525
Location: Northen Virginia
Same for 61 Chryslers, under the seat
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-09-23 12:56 PM (#189855 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
I just received my Build Sheet from Chrysler for my 1958 Imperial Unfortunately, its top is almost unreadable ... (can't read the 2nd line, just below the stamped codes for trim, paint etc).
Strangely (interestingly?), no ship date and no dealer info (my car is an export). Born November 11th, 1957 @ Detroit (and licensed in France December, 24th 1957 - quite fast in fact).

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-23 12:57 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-23 2:43 PM (#189868 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Frederic, you are in luck, as the Imperial Club posted a decyphering-example which is shown as/on that 'Sticky' message at
the top of this message board, and, there is a link directly to the Imperial Club, for more information on your car's particular build,
which happens (typically!) to be illegible, on your car's IBM build card copy.

Can you post an image of it, here?




Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-09-24 4:24 AM (#189996 - in reply to #189868)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
Here it is. I tried to enhance it, but the little figures below the first row of stamped codes are unreadable

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-24 4:26 AM




(BuildSheetImperial.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments BuildSheetImperial.jpg (203KB - 220 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-25 6:14 PM (#190217 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Wish we could sit down, over some drinks, and look at your card, at length, but, Fred, I don't see any "Dealer Reference number"
coding for your car; was it somehow/someway special ordered or built or delivered?

Frederic, do you recognize these numbers, as being a portion of your car's VIN: 3801005248????







Edited by d500neil 2009-09-25 6:39 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-09-26 5:31 AM (#190257 - in reply to #190217)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
Yes. My car is a SO/FO car (0127). 05248 is its VIN LY1-05248.

Below, the stamped codes, followed by the punch holes reading. They read from left to right.

Find below my findings ... (I wish it was more readable to fully decode it !!!). Note that everything that I decoded matches the info on the dataplate and what's on the car.

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-26 11:37 AM




(StampedCodes.jpg)



(Holes.jpg)



(HolesDecoding1.jpg)



(HolesDecoding2B.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments StampedCodes.jpg (10KB - 221 downloads)
Attachments Holes.jpg (13KB - 227 downloads)
Attachments HolesDecoding1.jpg (33KB - 221 downloads)
Attachments HolesDecoding2B.jpg (71KB - 203 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-26 7:03 PM (#190316 - in reply to #190257)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted,
above.

If you'll look, there actually is an "A" line, at the very top row of the punch outs, which corresponds to your car's paint job :"AAA"
(and which letters align above the "PAINT" columns, at the bottom of the punch card, although the first and the third "A" appear directly
over a lower "1" in those "Paint" columns.

The mysterious ("apparent"!) punch-out, above the "8" is located beneath the "A" row-line, which would imply that that (lower-) row-line
might be a "B" row-line.

I don't see any "B's" on your card, and, there are no other punch-outs along that ("B") row-line.

I find that it is interesting, that your car's VIN is not hand-written, or stamped, onto the IBM card.

So, your car was not sent to a domestic dealership, and therefore, has no dealership codings on it.

OK; the box that has your "0127" coding says :"Special Order/Foreign Order/Sales Bank"---wouldn't it
be neat to break down ALL the various codings that go into THIS box??????

OK (ii): the mysterious "38010" is your car's "Body Number"---whatever THAT means, as far as Imperials
are concerned-------this is an example of the fact that, while someone might 'break-down' a car's
P-T plate/Broadcast Sheet/IBM Card's numbers ; he does NOT necessarily know how to INTERPRET
what those numbers might mean (like, your car's "0127", or its Body Code 38010)!






Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 8:09 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-26 7:15 PM (#190318 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
...I was just looking at the Imperial card-example, on this Board's Sticky messages, for any assistance, in Re:
your car--didn't really find any, regarding your "6339" coding, but, that card has only one punch-out,
above the "0" row-line, which would be an "A" code, but, that example does not know what that 3/4 digit
grouping might identify (which includes that "A" appearing directly over a "4" in the same column).






Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 7:20 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Chrycoman
Posted 2009-09-26 7:48 PM (#190323 - in reply to #190316)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 1819
1000500100100100
Location: Vancouver, BC
d500neil - 2009-09-26 4:03 PM

Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted,
above.

If you'll look, there actually is an "A" line, at the very top row of the punch outs, which corresponds to your car's paint job :"AAA"
(and which letters align above the "PAINT" columns, at the bottom of the punch card, although the first and the third "A" appear directly over a lower "1" in those "Paint" columns.

The mysterious ("apparent"!) punch-out, above the "8" is located beneath the "A" row-line, which would imply that that (lower-) row-line
might be a "B" row-line.

I don't see any "B's" on your card, and, there are no other punch-outs along that ("B") row-line.

I find that it is interesting, that your car's VIN is not hand-written, or stamped, onto the IBM card.

So, your car was not sent to a domestic dealership, and therefore, has no dealership codings on it.

OK; the box that has your "0127" coding says :"Special Order/Foreign Order/Sales Bank"---wouldn't it
be neat to break down ALL the various codings that go into THIS box??????

OK (ii): the mysterious "38010" is your car's "Body Number"---whatever THAT means, as far as Imperials
are concerned-------this is an example of the fact that, while someone might 'break-down' a car's
P-T plate/Broadcast Sheet/IBM Card's numbers ; he does NOT necessarily know how to INTERPRET what those numbers might mean (like, your car's "0127", or its Body Code 38010)!



The car's VIN is both printed and stamped into the card.

Look at the right side of the card, top, just below the line of column numbers. The last blank has the VIN - you can see the "LY1" printed but the rest is not too clear.

Now go to the bottom of the card. Check the second block from the right. The VIN is stamped out in that block with the numeric section having two zeros punched at the beginning. The data tag has one zero.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-26 7:55 PM (#190324 - in reply to #190323)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Bill, I KNOW that the VIN is punched out (that's how I figured out the Body-and-VIN numbers, above), but, I had not noticed the
fine-printing-out of the VIN---not that I could have read it--lolol--at the upper right corner area of the IBM card.

On Dodges, the VIN is hand-stamped prominently across the middle of the card, as is the car's engine number.

Just had a brain-fart; though: I realized that I hadn't accounted for the car's engine number (again, on Dodge's, it is stamped-out);
I thought that "6339" might just be the 'Motor Number'.....

Nuts; the card says that the engine number is "4914", but, I can not see/find any punch-outs that would correspond with
"4919", and/but, the "6339" remains un-identified.

Bill: go find the engine number punch-out; I can't (if it's not "6339") !!






Edited by d500neil 2009-09-26 8:07 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-09-27 3:09 AM (#190358 - in reply to #190316)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
d500neil - 2009-09-27 1:03 AM

Frederick, the punch out, above the "8" in the sequence : 3801005248 is not a "0"----the Zero-line is as you have noted,
above.

Nope ... I do not agree. The 8 is below the 1st 0, and the "above line" is over the 3 (see attachement).

On the top left, where the card is cut, the field says Motor. It's made of 4 digits. First has been cut, same for second. Third says 3. 4th appears to be a 8 or a 9 (but here I think it's the engine reference, not the engine number - again, a supposition).

As for the 6339 at the end, I think it should be read as 633 / 9 since the are 2 subfields in the legend on the bottom.

OBS : on the paper copy, the 05248 is readable on the top right corner.

Is my build sheet the first export car build sheet we're working on ?

About the SO/FO : what I can say is that 0127 is not a date (not January 27th, since the car was born Nov 11th).



(BuildSheet-2.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments BuildSheet-2.jpg (169KB - 263 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-09-28 6:21 PM (#190522 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
Alright; the Body code may, in fact, be 6-digits long; that would make your BDY coding: 830100. Although how THAT
number breaks-down; I dunno!

I also have no clue what that "B" might confirm; but, you are saying that that row of "A's", above the "Paint" box might be
merely smudges, and not punch outs? In that case, your car's White paint would simply be coded as :"1-1" , with no digit
appearing between the "1's" , even though the Paint box is set up to have 3 digit codings in it.

On Dodges, the far left-upper box contains the "Shipping Order Number", regardless whether a car was "Special Ordered"
(like your car was)---Dodges, too, have a dedicated box on the upper line of boxes, for a "Special Ordered" car to
be recorded there.

I'll bet (not much, though) that the numbers appearing at the far upper left of your IBM card contain its "Shipping" information.

As Imperials only came with one engine, I believe that there might not even BE a "Power Plants" option box, anywhere on your
IBM card.

BTW, as I previously mentioned (as one of the many differences between the various marques', on their IBM card copies) your
car has its VIN printed out on the IBM card; Dodges had both the VIN and the engine number be hand-ink-stamped onto the IBM
card.





Edited by d500neil 2009-09-28 6:23 PM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-09-29 3:59 AM (#190584 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
The AAA paint code means a black car - the are 3 punch holes 111. Would A = 1 ? I wonder how the letter paint codes translate into digits ...

Edited by Imp58Alpes 2009-09-29 4:04 AM
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-10-01 8:25 PM (#190904 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
In the specimen example, in this board's Sticky message, the "C57-" car has paint of "X" , which translates (-punches out)
to :"07_" on the IBM card , with NO punch-out appearing on the card, AFTER the second-digit ["7"]...

So, your car's paint "AAA" may translate [punch-out] to :"1_1", with no digit appearing in the middle of the three spaces-
available, in/on the PAINT code-box, at the bottom of the IBM card.

Are those (very-uniform appearing) smudges, or actual punch-outs, at the uppermost line on your 'card', above the PAINT
code-box???



Top of the page Bottom of the page
Chrycoman
Posted 2009-10-01 10:48 PM (#190914 - in reply to #190904)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Expert

Posts: 1819
1000500100100100
Location: Vancouver, BC
d500neil - 2009-10-01 5:25 PM

In the specimen example, in this board's Sticky message, the "C57-" car has paint of "X" , which translates (-punches out)
to :"07_" on the IBM card , with NO punch-out appearing on the card, AFTER the second-digit ["7"]...

So, your car's paint "AAA" may translate [punch-out] to :"1_1", with no digit appearing in the middle of the three spaces-
available, in/on the PAINT code-box, at the bottom of the IBM card.

Are those (very-uniform appearing) smudges, or actual punch-outs, at the uppermost line on your 'card', above the PAINT
code-box???


There is a "1" punched out between the two "1"s for the paint code. Look very, very closely - it is there. That "white-out" streak covers most of the punch but you can see it just to the left of the streak.

And, yes, those three "smudges" are really three punches. The odds of having three smudges, exactly the same shape, shaped exactly like a punch hole, spaced exactly the same distance apart, and located exactly where three punches would appear, is about as likely as Chrysler putting the 1958 Imperial back into production next Tuesday.

Remember, the owner of the car can see exactly the same things as we can. He does not have the original card, only a photocopy of the microfilm image of the card.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
d500neil
Posted 2009-10-05 5:03 PM (#191321 - in reply to #185818)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!

Posts: 19146
5000500050002000200010025
Location: bishop, ca
YUP, there 'tis!

So, what would be the significance of the three punch outs, on the putative "A" line, in regards to paint scheme "111"
which happens to refer to the black paint scheme (AAA)?

Or, that "B" line punch out, above that "3" , in the "Body Number" box?



Top of the page Bottom of the page
Imp58Alpes
Posted 2009-10-05 5:08 PM (#191323 - in reply to #191321)
Subject: Re: 58 Imperial Crown Coupe P/T tag



Extreme Veteran

Posts: 558
5002525
Location: Grenoble - France
I think here we can only hope for others to display there punch cards, in order to help in the deciphering of those lines ...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [50 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread

* * * This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated * * *


(Delete all cookies set by this site)