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GregCon

Posted 2014-01-22 5:46 PM (#423453)
Subject: My new 57 Fireflite.....

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After getting beat out on the Adventurer convert at Barret Jackson, I decided to reward myself with a Desoto nonetheless.

This is the one that was on Craigslist in Indiana...with some good help from Ed Petrus I worked out a deal and now it's mine.

I had a friend go pick it up....he left Houston Sunday at noon and was back Tuesday at 8PM. And that is with a 6 hour delay waiting for the seller to get off work!

So far all I've done is remove the piles of seat stuffing that the dead rat in the trunk moved there, presumably before dying.

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Posted 2014-01-22 5:58 PM (#423458 - in reply to #423453)
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Congratulations! I was hoping that car would end up with someone on the site. Great catch.

Any short-term or long-term plans yet?

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Posted 2014-01-22 5:58 PM (#423459 - in reply to #423453)
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That rat didn't have a ghost of a chance ?

Maybe his intention was to make it a Rat Rod?

With the wire wheels on it, somebody was very proud of its appearance.

Hope you decide to run the exhaust pipes through the bumper pods.

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Posted 2014-01-22 6:12 PM (#423465 - in reply to #423453)
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Congratulations, GregCon!

GREAT news that this wonderful old car is in very good hands!

Happy DeSotoing!

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Posted 2014-01-22 6:27 PM (#423470 - in reply to #423453)
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Thanks!

Well, my plans are to 'fix it up'...I'd like it completely stock but realistically I am living in fear many of the pieces I will need are unavailable, or might take years to locate. I guess it's time to start looking. I also need to sell off a car as my garage is overstuffed.

The wheels...the guy I bought from swears they have been on the car since new and that the dealer put them there. I guess there is no way to tell. There are definitely no loose hubcaps lying around.

Other than power brakes and steering it seems fairly option-free. It does have dual rear 'antennaes' and dual mirrors but I am not sure if they are options.

The 341 Hemi is apart...in the photos you see the entire engine is in the trunk save the bare block itself.

I also received a few interesting pieces of 57 Desoto literature including a large fold-out poster that shows the different models. By large I mean it is the normal poster size like the Farrah Fawcett posters used to be.....

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Posted 2014-01-22 6:59 PM (#423477 - in reply to #423470)
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You don't need to be looking at Farrah. Get to work on a great find.

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Posted 2014-01-22 7:51 PM (#423489 - in reply to #423453)
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Yes, Greg, I'm glad YOU have this car. I'll help in any way I can. Have some fun with it!

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Posted 2014-01-22 8:14 PM (#423498 - in reply to #423453)
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Looks like a great starting point for your restoration, congrats!!

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Posted 2014-01-22 8:28 PM (#423502 - in reply to #423453)
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Looks like a great starting point. Congratulations on scoring one of my favorite models!

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Posted 2014-01-22 8:55 PM (#423509 - in reply to #423453)
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Very cool car! Two FireFlites changed hands in one week. That's got to be a record. More pics when you have a chance, you just don't see the 57 FFs very often.

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Posted 2014-01-22 8:58 PM (#423510 - in reply to #423453)
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Nice score Greg....

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Posted 2014-01-22 9:16 PM (#423515 - in reply to #423510)
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Nice car.... the wire wheels were likely dealer installed, I've heard of them occasionally being dealer-installed on cars up until 1961.

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Posted 2014-01-23 4:42 AM (#423552 - in reply to #423470)
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GregCon - 2014-01-22 6:27 PM

Thanks!

Well, my plans are to 'fix it up'...I'd like it completely stock but realistically I am living in fear many of the pieces I will need are unavailable, or might take years to locate. I guess it's time to start looking. I also need to sell off a car as my garage is overstuffed.

The wheels...the guy I bought from swears they have been on the car since new and that the dealer put them there. I guess there is no way to tell. There are definitely no loose hubcaps lying around.

Other than power brakes and steering it seems fairly option-free. It does have dual rear 'antennaes' and dual mirrors but I am not sure if they are options.

The 341 Hemi is apart...in the photos you see the entire engine is in the trunk save the bare block itself.

I also received a few interesting pieces of 57 Desoto literature including a large fold-out poster that shows the different models. By large I mean it is the normal poster size like the Farrah Fawcett posters used to be.....

Very nice! Looks to be fairly rust free. Farrah who!?!

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Posted 2014-01-23 7:37 AM (#423561 - in reply to #423453)
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Nice car! I am very glad you got this. It will be beautiful when restored.

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Posted 2014-01-23 9:39 AM (#423569 - in reply to #423453)
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I like it!!! Hard to tell - is it in primer except the roof, or was the orig color pale ,now faded, w/ white?... that'd be a pretty combo, if so!

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Posted 2014-01-23 11:01 AM (#423584 - in reply to #423569)
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Thanks again everyone.

The roof is white, though the PO told me he painted it. I can't tell if the sides were ever white or not...it looks like the original Capri Blue all over.

Well, I am up to 4 dead rats...the car smells so bad inside that I am violating my #1 rule of cars which is to not let them sit outdoors. I just can't stink up my shop that bad. I'm going to try to clean it as much as possible and hopefully it will get better.

Here is the data plate. If anyone ever doubted they at least sometimes attached these prior to paint, I'll show you bare phosphated metal on the cowl where I removed it.

I noticed a funny looking thing under the dash - is it something to do with the seek/scan radio? Is the seek/scan radio an option?

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Posted 2014-01-23 11:41 AM (#423592 - in reply to #423453)
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The PNT area of the tag being stamped LBB means exactly what we see - Frost White roof, with Capri Blue body and sweep.

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Posted 2014-01-23 12:07 PM (#423609 - in reply to #423584)
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GregCon - 2014-01-23 11:01 AM

Thanks again everyone.

The roof is white, though the PO told me he painted it. I can't tell if the sides were ever white or not...it looks like the original Capri Blue all over.

Well, I am up to 4 dead rats...the car smells so bad inside that I am violating my #1 rule of cars which is to not let them sit outdoors. I just can't stink up my shop that bad. I'm going to try to clean it as much as possible and hopefully it will get better.

Here is the data plate. If anyone ever doubted they at least sometimes attached these prior to paint, I'll show you bare phosphated metal on the cowl where I removed it.

I noticed a funny looking thing under the dash - is it something to do with the seek/scan radio? Is the seek/scan radio an option?

Nice Desoto Greg. Yes, that is for the optional signal seeking radio.

Edited by christine-lover 2014-01-23 12:13 PM

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Posted 2014-01-23 12:09 PM (#423611 - in reply to #423453)
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Here's the original paint (LBB) and interior (641) as per your cowl tag:
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Posted 2014-01-23 1:21 PM (#423631 - in reply to #423611)
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It sure would be nice if those rats would pick somewhere else to decompose. I found two of them in my '57 Windsor, but they were completely dried out from many years of sitting in the desert air. Nevertheless, while I was cleaning it out a neighborhood cat smelt the remains and felt he had to pee all over my floor.

But after cleaning and painting the floor, no more issues.

What are your plans for it? Completely stock or upgraded? Are you going to keep it in original colors?

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Posted 2014-01-23 1:24 PM (#423633 - in reply to #423453)
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What a sweet ride. I'm jealous!!!

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Posted 2014-01-23 1:31 PM (#423640 - in reply to #423611)
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I would argue that the 57 Fireflite coupe is the best looking Forward Look design ever.

It would seem most of these top line cars were either built rather spartanly, or more highly
equipped cars succumbed to failures that led to their demise, as most survivors are not
heavily optioned.

The seeker radio is a scarcer option. The dual rear antennas were pretty popular, as was the
right side mirror. I can't say that I've ever seen a roof-only accent colored car, particularly on
a fancy coupe. That is weird.

It will be a stunning car when finished, and looks like a million bucks as it sits !

GregCon

Posted 2014-01-23 3:11 PM (#423674 - in reply to #423640)
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That's great information, thanks.

My immediate plans? Get it cleaned out inside and as un-smelly as possible. The whole engine is super greasy and in the trunk so I need to go through it all and try to get it in some sort of storeable condition. Then....I don't know. I think I should try to determine the parts I will need and see just how hard it will be to find them.

Any opinions on the wheels - are they proper Chrysler type? Can they be economically redone or is it just cheaper to buy new?

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Posted 2014-01-23 9:33 PM (#423725 - in reply to #423453)
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Greg, your AG (1) is the Accessory Group which includes a lot of things, like the emergency brake light, padded dash, rear speaker, etc. but it doesn't include the 7-button signal-seeking radio, which you have. That is part of AG2 so rather than simply order the AG2, the original buyer must have specified that radio separately as an option.

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Posted 2014-01-23 9:34 PM (#423726 - in reply to #423453)
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"stilloutthere" once told me that you can tell if the wheels are the correct Motor Wheel versions, or replicas/aftermarket, by counting the number of spokes. However, I don't know more than that, like which number of spokes means what. Wayne?

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Posted 2014-01-23 10:10 PM (#423730 - in reply to #423726)
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Thank you Ed. That is interesting because the car does not have a padded dash. I will have to check for the brake light, once the freezing rain stops!

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Posted 2014-01-23 10:11 PM (#423731 - in reply to #423726)
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I'm pretty sure those are the original Motor Wheel versions. I believe they have 53 spokes, whereas the new repros. have 56 spokes. Also when you look at the spinner cap on the originals it does not completely cover the center of the wheel, compare the two below. The lower wheel is the reproduction by Truespoke which I have on mine. A friend of mine who lives in Seattle spent more on rebuilding and refinishing a set on his 54 New Yorker than he would have spent on a new set, but then, they were originals! The repros go for $1680.00 plus freight http://www.hobbycar.com/chrysler.html

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Posted 2014-01-24 11:20 AM (#423771 - in reply to #423453)
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Sure will be a beauty when done... when was this on CL Indiana? I looked back on the eBay/CL thread as far back as Sept 13 and didn't see it - was it posted?

Agree with Doc probably the prettiest FL ever, but maybe the '57 NYer would give it a run for the money, as would the 4 dr hardtop versions of both.

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Posted 2014-01-24 11:27 AM (#423773 - in reply to #423771)
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Yes, it was on CL here is the link

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/4257758048.html

I am finding a surprising number of mechanical differences between it and my 58 Chrysler.....steering box, air cooled trans, PS pump, etc. It shows that every year Chrysler was on the move.

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Posted 2014-01-24 11:34 AM (#423774 - in reply to #423771)
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firedome - 2014-01-24 10:20 AM

Agree with Doc probably the prettiest FL ever, but maybe the '57 NYer would give it a run for the money, as would the 4 dr hardtop versions of both.

I agree completely. When I was searching for a car, I wanted a '57-58 big-body Chrysler or Desoto coupe. But in my mind's eye, it was either a '57 Fireflite or '57 New Yorker. I give the Desoto an edge in styling but the Chrysler gets an edge of its own with the 392. Just like with Greg, it paid off for me to be the right person in the right circumstances to get the car I truly wanted.

Now back to the thread, congrats again Greg. I just noticed you are in Houston. If you're even in the DFW area on a FL mission, look me up!

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Posted 2014-01-24 1:41 PM (#423790 - in reply to #423453)
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There's always something special about the first of each FL generations. Think about it; the '55's, the '57'ds and the '60's make the statements, the "in-betweens" are somewhat mild modifications of the basic design.

Absolutely no pun intended, just my thoughts

Congratulations to a great find!

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Posted 2014-01-25 10:38 AM (#423928 - in reply to #423453)
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True Sven, usually the first iteration is the purest, modifications tend to adulterate up the original design, though in the case of FLs, the '58s were pretty darn close, they didn't do too much harm. In some cases maybe better, quite a few like the '58 Plym front even better than '57.

This '57 'Flite coupe looks real solid, and reading the CL ad I se it's from CA, not Indiana... the latter is almost as bad as NY when it comes to rust!
Capri Blue & White is a super color combo, almost bought a 4dr hardtop near Dalhart Texas in those colors once.

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Posted 2014-01-25 7:11 PM (#424040 - in reply to #423453)
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I spent several hours cleaning out the filth and transferring most of the engine parts from the trunk to the garage....I worked an hour or so until my throat would start burning from the nasty smells then I'd take a break. But, I have managed to clean out the majority of the rat colony and I've put a few odor absorbing buckets inside.

The trunk floor is rusty on the right side...the classic case of someone letting rain get in and then it sits under the factory moisture retention barrier, also known as the trunk mat. Plus, I'm sure a good deal of it was rat pee as well which is probably more corrosive than rain.

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Posted 2014-01-25 8:09 PM (#424058 - in reply to #423453)
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Exciting stuff ... the rebirth of another '57 HT 2DR Fireflite
congratulations Greg. i reckon it will look fab in original Blue and White
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Posted 2014-02-27 7:27 PM (#429221 - in reply to #423453)
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It's always fascinated me that whenever I buy an old car (usually for parting out), no matter how decrepit it might be there are always one or two parts which seem to have miraculously escaped the effects of 40+ years of neglect.

On this car....as I begin disassembly, I can't help but notice the stainless steel roof and window trim is in near-flawless condition. This is trim that has never been removed; almost every piece was fitted so closely to the body that a sheet of paper could not slide in. No dents, no scrapes, no nothing. When it comes time to go back on the car, I'll spend some time polishing it but that's all it will need.

Another reward...despite lots of screw and fastener holes drilled in the roof, there is no rust at all in any of the roof or window recesses. Don't ask me how that happened....

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Posted 2014-02-28 1:25 AM (#429255 - in reply to #429221)
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The 57 DeSoto used the same basic 918 signal seeking radio, as the Dodges, with that separate power amplifier
module that is installed at the passenger's side hood mounting studs.

Great original condition (non-OEM-oversprayed) trunk deadener panel.

How the inner trunks were painted, with apparently masked-off deadener panels, I don't know.

I'd get the original Motor Wheel wheels restored, but use stainless steel spokes on them.

A website member restored my car's 918 radio; works great.

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Posted 2014-02-28 4:55 PM (#429333 - in reply to #423453)
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Great news Greg that you found a 57 Flite , well done and keep the info and pics of you refurb coming . Nothing is hard to get on these cars , its just a challenge and you might have to pay for certain things .
I own 66 300s and 68 300s and the parts are much harder to get . It seems to me that as much as there is less FL cars made and left compared to chevys and the like , that there still are cars and parts cars hidden away , as I think some of the old boys realise how stunning these cars were and if it weren't for them (and the swedes lol ) they may have all been crushed .

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Posted 2014-02-28 6:55 PM (#429352 - in reply to #429333)
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Yep...my '66 Fury was incredible hard to restore; parts were really hard to find and in many cases I never found them.

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Posted 2014-03-16 11:25 PM (#431572 - in reply to #423453)
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I pulled one the center caps off the wire wheels...if there was any doubt they were 'Chrysler' wheels....they must be as they even have a Chrysler part number.

One thing is for sure....these cars don't have a lot of roof!

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Posted 2014-03-16 11:54 PM (#431574 - in reply to #423453)
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Loking good Greg , cant wait to get stuck into my car when it gets here . Keep us posted on your progress .

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Posted 2014-03-17 6:35 AM (#431594 - in reply to #423453)
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Greg, awesome car, and great progress! Keep the pics coming. I recommend putting a large white board up in your shed near the car and write down your notes regarding the car. Then, transfer the notes you know you will need to reference again, or in the future, into a notebook specifically for the car. Then start hunting the parts and knowledge to do the best job you can. Also take lots of photo's! Good luck, and cant wait to see more.

regards, Steve.

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Posted 2014-03-17 10:23 AM (#431619 - in reply to #423453)
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I agree 'bout the roof! Love the car and don't meant to pick on it, but this shot shows very clearly why, to me, the 4 dr hardtop roof is better proportioned to the body, it has almost identical lines but extends a bit farther to the rear, the 2 dr roof is so extremely short for such a long rear end... however, it's all sort of like saying which is better: van Gogh's "Starry Night" or his "Sunflowers", as they are both just amazing! This car will be absolutely spectacular when done, can't wait to see it!

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Posted 2014-03-17 1:04 PM (#431636 - in reply to #423453)
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Thanks guys. I am getting more excited over this car now that I am nearing a 'turnaround point' where I can start improving what's there. A big milestone will be when I get the body shell in paint...still a ways to go.

I try to take notes ( sometimes not successfully!) plus I am labeling everything as it comes apart plus tons of pics. Plus I have my 58 Chrsyler to use as a reference.

I am pretty sure I will put it back in Capri Blue / White but who knows...?

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Posted 2015-05-17 12:17 PM (#478570 - in reply to #423453)
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So Greg, it´s bin more than a year since last posting

Any progress ? we are curious to say the least......... :D

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Posted 2015-05-18 9:06 AM (#478644 - in reply to #423453)
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LOL, sorry I just saw this. The bad news is there hasn't been much progress because I got sidetracked with building a fence/gate for my house. But that's over now and I'm starting to eyeball the Desoto again. The good news is the car has just been sitting inside the shop....unlike too many cars that get shoved outside with a sheet of plastic over them. Plus I've gathered a few more bits and pieces.

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Posted 2015-05-18 10:20 AM (#478650 - in reply to #423453)
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You took the roof off of it(mostly glass).

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