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imopar380
Posted 2010-05-22 2:19 PM (#224639)
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I finally got a set of reproduction Chrysler style wire wheels,  from Motorspot in California,  and a set of Diamondback wide whites.  Both the folks at Motorspot and Diamondback were very pleasant, helpful and friendly.  I highly recommend both to deal with. 

The wheels are 15" rims, made in USA.  The Diamondbacks are P235-75R15 Diamondback Furys.  They make these with a standard whitewall width of 3" on this size tire but I specifically asked for 2 1/2 inches as I think 3" is too wide on these cars.   What a difference these make to the look of the car!   Diamondback takes brand names tire - in this case Cooper Tires - and vulcanizes a wide whitewall onto the sidewall so they will do pretty much any size you want.   This is unlike Coker Tire which uses outdated molds bought from other manufacturers and makes "reproduction" tires under license.     

Been waiting for nearly 2 years to get this done.     Those old 14 inch wheels, and undersized P215-75R14 narrow whitewall tires were just TOO small to

do the car justice.   These wheels completely fill out the fenders.   The car also has a smoother ride than with the previous tires.



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Posted 2010-05-22 3:12 PM (#224646 - in reply to #224639)
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Posted 2010-05-22 3:24 PM (#224648 - in reply to #224646)
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden		VERY NICE with 15" rims (fill out the fenders). wonderful pictures of your nice Chrysler 60
I have same size at my 59 Windsor.

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sermey
Posted 2010-05-22 3:40 PM (#224649 - in reply to #224639)
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Ian, with you one more who discover, that 15" tires improves considerably the look of a FWL-Car, not only view from the sise, but as well from front and rear.

How about the remaining space when turned the steering fully on one side? In this position and at a strong shock, the one side tire just not touch the fender. for this I had ti lift slightly the front suspension.

Then you used 235-75-15 instead the ones on my Dodge 235-70-15, means your diameter, the circumference respectively will be increased to the Original 14" tires. How do you calibrate the odo-/speedometer accordingly?  - SERGE -

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Posted 2010-05-22 3:49 PM (#224653 - in reply to #224639)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Serge, with my old 14 inch tires the speedometer was reading a little high, but now it is reading slightly low, about 4% off. When it reads 50 MPH I am doing about 52 MPH according to my Garmin GPS. This is negligible. I haven't had any clearance issues yet with the tires. The sales guy at Diamondback explained to me that the P235-75R15 tires with a height ( diameter ) of 28 1/2 inches are about the same height as the old optional 900 X 14s on this car.
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Posted 2010-05-22 4:18 PM (#224657 - in reply to #224653)
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Not only the smoothness, but the cornering response should be much better with the DB's.

And, then, there's their appearance......!

Don't forget to experiment with the tire pressures, too, to maximize the handling and the
MPG.

I'm running a tad over 40psi in my 14" DB's.





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Posted 2010-05-22 4:38 PM (#224658 - in reply to #224639)
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Location: Nasco , SWEDEN		Awesome Ian, really beatyful! i am jealuos! The car is really fitting in in those surroundings too! it´s in it´s natural habitat so to speak lol

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Posted 2010-05-22 4:54 PM (#224662 - in reply to #224653)
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Location: SWITZERLAND		I have put a white adhesive tape on painting your side molding, matching to the roof and the white walls. There are weatherproof tapes, removable at any time -  just an idea?  - SERGE -




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imopar380
Posted 2010-05-22 5:06 PM (#224664 - in reply to #224639)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada		Actually the side moulding insert, and roof are painted a very pale blue, not white. The white would look better, I agree.
Any volunteers to come over and paint the roof and insert?

The car is NOT painted stock 1960 Chrysler colors.

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Posted 2010-05-22 5:36 PM (#224669 - in reply to #224664)
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The car is NOT painted stock 1960 Chrysler colors.


I LOVE the color !!!! You have a VERY nice looking car I usually am not a fan of the wire
wheels (I love plain steelies) but they look sharp on you car - I think the color helps the over-
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Posted 2010-05-22 6:32 PM (#224677 - in reply to #224653)
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Ian,

 

You have converted a beautiful car into a stunning car. Congrats.

 

I have the same size tires on my 61 and have not run into any clearance problems in 10 years.

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imopar380
Posted 2010-05-22 7:39 PM (#224696 - in reply to #224677)
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Ray - 2010-05-22 3:32 PM

Ian,

 

You have converted a beautiful car into a stunning car. Congrats.

 

I have the same size tires on my 61 and have not run into any clearance problems in 10 years.



Thanks Ray,
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Posted 2010-05-22 10:28 PM (#224716 - in reply to #224639)
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Posted 2010-05-23 2:38 AM (#224726 - in reply to #224677)
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Ray - 2010-05-23 12:32 AM Ian, I have the same size tires on my 61 and have not run into any clearance problems in 10 years.

At steering wheel turned fully to the left, then driving backwards down the border of a sidewalk, it happened once that the right tire touched the edge of the right front fender, bending  the inner fold a little bid down. Comparing the1960 Saratoga with a 1959 Dodge, the clearance seems to be identical. A small difference of course can change a lot.  Or the section of the tires I use are more rectangular. - SERGE -



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Posted 2010-05-23 8:50 AM (#224744 - in reply to #224639)
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They do make your car look stunning!
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Posted 2010-05-23 2:58 PM (#224782 - in reply to #224744)
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Location: Parts Unknown		And here I thought you were running that old tub on those truck tires all this time just to spite me !

Nothing makes a bigger difference in the appearance of a car than the tires.

The paint looks brighter, the whole car looks more elegant.
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Posted 2010-05-23 6:06 PM (#224820 - in reply to #224716)
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Location: DFW, TX		Gorgeous!! You did a great job selecting your tire size. Now how about lowering it 1" all around?!

That is amazing-

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Posted 2010-05-23 7:52 PM (#224839 - in reply to #224744)
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FIN_NV - 2010-05-23 5:50 AM

What do a beautiful set of wheels like these cost?

They do make your car look stunning!


You can get all the specs and cost of these wheels at http://www.hobbycar.com/chrysler.html


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Posted 2010-05-23 7:53 PM (#224840 - in reply to #224782)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-05-23 11:58 AM

And here I thought you were running that old tub on those truck tires all this time just to spite me !

Nothing makes a bigger difference in the appearance of a car than the tires.

The paint looks brighter, the whole car looks more elegant.


Hey Doc, I agree, but the funds weren't available previously!! LOL
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Posted 2010-05-23 7:57 PM (#224841 - in reply to #224820)
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Gorgeous!! You did a great job selecting your tire size. Now how about lowering it 1" all around?!

That is amazing-


I was actually a little concerned about the tire size - being P235 - but they just fit. I actually think P225-75R15 would be a better fit but these are just fine. The P225-75R15 tires are about 27 1/2 inches high which is what the original optional 900X14s were on this car. Imagine that. What the car had on it when I got it was P215-75R14 which were too small - more like a 700X14. Good for say a 57 Chebby but not a mighty Chrysler !
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Posted 2010-05-24 12:48 AM (#224883 - in reply to #224639)
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Posted 2010-05-24 8:36 AM (#224915 - in reply to #224639)
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Did you opt for the Stainless or original chrome?

Steve
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Posted 2010-05-24 10:17 AM (#224924 - in reply to #224915)
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Posted 2010-05-24 12:29 PM (#224942 - in reply to #224915)
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FIN_NV - 2010-05-24 5:36 AM

Ian,

Did you opt for the Stainless or original chrome?

Steve


I got the original chrome, $800.00 extra for stainless ? - nope. I'll keep the spokes waxed up.
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Posted 2010-05-24 3:47 PM (#224965 - in reply to #224639)
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Location: ZH, Switzerland		Ian, wonderful pictures of your very nice 60 Saratoga. I guess /w the 235/70R15 the speedometer would be accurate.

My 1956 New Yorker originally war running on 8.00-15 bias tires. According Diamondback the right size for my car is 235/75R15. But I guess I'll go /w 235/70R15 because only this size offers a "H" speed index.
In Switzerland it's strictly prohibited to run a tire/speedometer gear combination that causes a faster speed than indicated at the speedometer (zero tolerance).
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Posted 2010-05-24 10:07 PM (#225045 - in reply to #224965)
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di_ch_NY56 - 2010-05-24 12:47 PM

Ian, wonderful pictures of your very nice 60 Saratoga. I guess /w the 235/70R15 the speedometer would be accurate.

My 1956 New Yorker originally war running on 8.00-15 bias tires. According Diamondback the right size for my car is 235/75R15. But I guess I'll go /w 235/70R15 because only this size offers a "H" speed index.
In Switzerland it's strictly prohibited to run a tire/speedometer gear combination that causes a faster speed than indicated at the speedometer (zero tolerance).


My speedometer is now reading about 6% lower than actual, as tested by my Garmin GPS. When my speedo reads 50 MPH, my Garmin says 53 MPH, so its not a huge difference. With the old tires the speedo was reading a bit higher than actual.
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Posted 2010-05-24 11:06 PM (#225050 - in reply to #224639)
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Posted 2010-05-25 7:27 PM (#225197 - in reply to #225050)
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Posted 2010-05-25 11:55 PM (#225238 - in reply to #225197)
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59ride - 2010-05-25 4:27 PM

Look me up when you're ready to sell ! (O)


My last car, 1962 Chrysler 300 I kept for 26 years, so don't hold your breath!
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Posted 2010-05-26 12:43 AM (#225242 - in reply to #225238)
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59ride - 2010-05-25 4:27 PM

Look me up when you're ready to sell ! (O)


My last car, 1962 Chrysler 300 I kept for 26 years, so don't hold your breath! :inlove:


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Let's see, 62 Plucked Chicken in white = 26 years.

Ian, ... this FINNED monster in stunning TURQUOISE oughta be worth keeping around for at least 50 !


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Posted 2010-05-26 12:58 AM (#225244 - in reply to #225242)
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59ride - 2010-05-25 4:27 PM

Look me up when you're ready to sell ! (O)


My last car, 1962 Chrysler 300 I kept for 26 years, so don't hold your breath! :inlove:


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Let's see, 62 Plucked Chicken in white = 26 years.

Ian, ... this FINNED monster in stunning TURQUOISE oughta be worth keeping around for at least 50 !




Well, Doc, I happen to love the look of the 62s. 63 and 64 not so much but I do like the 62s an awful lot even without the fins! I like Cordobas, too, don't have a coronary

As for this car, yeah, I'll have it for quite a while, but 50 years would put me over 100! This one keeps me busy with the little details. The only thing I might possibly get rid of this for would be a 300-F but I don' t see that happening any time soon! And, there are likely more 300-Fs around than Saratoga 2 door hardtops. This car is lucky it didn't get dismantled for an "F" restoration back in the 90s.... being a rust free L.A. car it would have made a perfect body donor. I guess nobody "discovered" it, and apparently it was with the original owner until 2006 or so from what I was told... but not verified.




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Posted 2010-05-26 1:07 AM (#225247 - in reply to #224639)
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This link is for an information / registration form. http://www.chryslerclub.org/PDF%20files/Regional%20Brochure%202010-...

Anyone else out there in the NW area a WPC member?? If so you need to be there ! We're gonna be there

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Posted 2010-05-26 1:58 AM (#225250 - in reply to #225247)
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I suppose you have a K-car fetish too ?

You are a sick, sick man, Ian. But we love you anyway.

Actually, I like Cordobas too. I'd never own one, but a nicely preserved unit is nice to see.

I consider 57-58 cars to be the zenith of design. All others are, by degrees, lesser cars. It doesn't mean I don't
like them, .... they just ain't top shelf material ! Some I might like enough to own, but most I am just pleased that
someone else will love them and make them available to me as visual stimulation. As you know, these things take
a lot of work. We have to be somewhat selective in what we commit ourselves too. BTW - I'd take that Saratoga of
yours over the everpresent 300F ANY day ! Why be predictable ? Go for the seldom seen one.

I am not current with my WPC membership. Too busy building the shop. That meet is on a weekend I have a prior
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Posted 2010-05-29 12:36 PM (#225697 - in reply to #224639)
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Very sharp! The wires really balance the car nicely with all the other shiny chrome and stainless.

Don't forget that you just added another hour of cleaning time with the new wheels.


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