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| trying to figure out what engine is in my 1957 Dodge.. the number is KDS-I00747.. the vin numbe for the car is 35248026... PLEASE HELP...... :stressed: |
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Location: On this barrel | softballmom76 - 2011-11-15 9:26 PM trying to figure out what engine is in my 1957 Dodge.. the number is KDS-I00747.. the vin numbe for the car is 35248026... PLEASE HELP...... :stressed:
Hello,
The KDS is a 325ci poly engine for 57 Dodges. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hello, Angelia, welcome aboard.
No need to be 'stressed'...your V/8 model 1957 Coronet was built in Detroit.
What is interesting is that the Master Parts Book states that the first production number for the V/8 Coros
was 35,172,001.
Your car's VIN indicates that it received its number some 76,025 into the production run, which does not appear
to correlate with its engine number, which would relate to the 747th 325 cubic inch V/8 engine that was cast.
Can you post up an image of your car's Paint/Trim data plate (on the upper-passenger's side of the firewall)?
Or, please show what-all its numbers may be, on it.
You might, also, check up-behind the glove box, to see if your car's original Broadcast Sheet might still be
masking-taped there.
Also, if you CAN see under the intake manifold's 'runners', you might be able to see the widely-spaced-out
casting date, like : 1 24 57 , near the base of the runners' connection to the cylinder heads.
You might also post up some images of your ride over on our Members' Rides message board.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | d500neil - 2011-11-16 4:21 PM
Hello, Angelia, welcome aboard.
No need to be 'stressed'...your V/8 model 1957 Coronet was built in Detroit.
What is interesting is that the Master Parts Book states that the first production number for the V/8 Coros
was 35,172,001.
Your car's VIN indicates that it received its number some 76,025 into the production run, which does not appear
to correlate with its engine number, which would relate to the 747th 325 cubic inch V/8 engine that was cast.
Can you post up an image of your car's Paint/Trim data plate (on the upper-passenger's side of the firewall)?
Or, please show what-all its numbers may be, on it.
You might, also, check up-behind the glove box, to see if your car's original Broadcast Sheet might still be
masking-taped there.
Also, if you CAN see under the intake manifold's 'runners', you might be able to see the widely-spaced-out
casting date, like : 1 24 57 , near the base of the runners' connection to the cylinder heads.
You might also post up some images of your ride over on our Members' Rides message board.
The engine number is KDS-I00747, which is the number for the engine built, not for the block cast.
The first 1957 Dodge V8 engine built was number KDS-1001. Thus KDS-100747 was the 99,747th KDS V8 built. The last engine built was KDS-287536, being a total of 286,536 built.
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Location: bishop, ca | Yes, absolutely; I brain-farted on that; 99,747th stamped-engine, but NOT, necessarily, the 99,747th 1957 Dodge that
was built.
Some/several/ quite a few 1957 Dodges have out of sequence engine numbers, according to Darrell Davis' Historical
Society records research.
But, for all intents and purposes, this car would have the 99,747th numbered-engine that went into a 1957 Dodge during the
model year.
The engine number SHOULD have a numerical correlation to the general VIN-sequence, but, it does not necessarily have to
be so.
The IBM card, for the 1957 Dodges (fortunately) confirm when a car was built, when it actually left the factory, and its
engine number.
Not all of the FWDLK IBM cards confirm these data, unfortunately.
Interestingly, according to the official build records that I have received from Chrysler Historical, there were 287,578 1957
Dodges built, not 287,536 1957 Dodges that were built during the model year.
For comparison, the official 1958 Dodge production (from the H.S.) was only 134,861, during that Recession-year.
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Location: Vancouver, BC | Actually, it would have been impossible to keep the engines in sequence as the KDS engines were used in V8 Coronet (C66), Royal and Custom Royal (C67) models built at Hamtramck as well as Suburban, Sierra (C70) and Custom Sierra (C71) models. Also, D66 and C67 models were assembled at LosAngeles. Now throw in the 1957 DeSoto Firesweep models which were built at Hamtramck and LosAngeles and they also used the KDS V8 engine. The last KDS engine used in a DeSoto was KDS-287531 and Dodge was KDS-287536.
KDS stood for 1957 - K / D - Dodge / S - DeSoto. Of the 287,578 1957 Dodges built (numbers I have supplied by CHS by body style total 288,410) 17,658 were Coronet 6 models.
7,048 Custom Royal models were built at Windsor, Ontario, but they used a 313-cid A block engine with D67 engine number prefix.
In reality, Dodge and DeSoto built more cars available with the KDS engine than KDS engines built -
Coronet V8 - 143,323
Royal V8 - 40,999
Custom Royal - 47,653
Suburban/Sierra - 24,515
Custom Sierra - 7,216
Total U.S. Dodge V8 models - 263,705
Total DeSoto Firesweep V8 models - 41,270
Total Dodge / Firesweep V8 models - 304,975
So we actually have a discrepancy of 18,439 units (304,975 cars vs 286,536 engines). Dodge V8 models could be had with the D500 engine (KD500 prefix), which means Dodge built over 18,000 cars with the D500 engine. So, between the KDS engine used in two makes, the optional KD500 and KD501 engines, plus two assembly plants, there is no way engine number sequences could follow that of the serial numbers.
To complete the Firesweep side of things, 139 Firesweep Taxi sedans were built with Dodge's 230-cid flathead six. Which is why the Coronet Six engine prefix changed from D72 to KDS6 on January 10, 1957.
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| thanks for everyones help but we still are unsure of the type of car we have.. the vehicle number is 35248026..the numbers in the last row on the big number plate is
A 0502 19113 2146 4DED 212 |
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Location: bishop, ca | Angelia, the V/8 1957 Coronets that were built in Detroit have VIN's that begin with 35(172,000).
The VIN's do not, otherwize, confirm the model type, within that Coronet-series.
The 6-banger Coronet models' VIN's begin with 32(225,001), so your car, obviously, is a V/8 model.
The 2146 BDY code confirms that your car is a 2-door hardtop Coro, with the base 2-bbl/single exhaust V/8, but,
it could have the optional extra exhaust pipe or the optional 4-bbl carb/dual exhaust "Power Pack" in it; those options'
existence will be confirmed only on the car's IBM Build Card, which you can purchase from the Historical Society (AFTER
FEB, according to someone's recent posting, here, about the H.S. offices being closed until then)...as discussed on the
two 'Sticky' messages, at the top of this message board.
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